IRC logs for #automotive for Thursday, 2017-07-27

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MikeeeWhere is a good place to share code I've written and want to make open source03:06
furyFor Automotive Grade Linux, GENIVI, or something more general?03:09
Mikeeeit's just something super stupid and simple, the fan controller for a jeep because the commercially available shit is like $15003:09
Mikeeei'd prefer a place I could upload schematics too03:10
Mikeeeof course github exists, but i want to know if theres existing communities03:10
furySweet. Well, I don't know off the top of my head of any places specific to car hacking - I've seen bits and pieces scattered around here and there, github, forums, etc.03:11
furyBut that's not to say they don't exist - I just haven't looked much03:12
Mikeeealright I'd probably be better off finding a jeep/chrysler specific community and asking there03:12
furyYeah. This channel focuses mostly on Automotive Grade Linux and GENIVI - though we occasionally get our hands dirty and talk hardware :)03:14
MikeeeI do a lot of home automation so I think i'll idle here anyway03:16
furyI'm about to hack up my new 2001 Hyundai Elantra and try to craft a mount for a 7" computer in there that I can run AGL on03:16
Mikeeewhat sort of features does that offer?03:17
furyAGL is a 70-80% starting point for a production automotive software project, there's a demo video somewhere of the last time it was shown at CES I think. Basically, it has a proof of concept demo UI that has the basic head unit features03:19
furymedia player, Bluetooth, phone calls, etc03:20
Mikeeeah neat03:20
furyI've been trying to find ways to jump in and help, as well as learn how to take it the rest of the way to make a product03:20
Mikeeemy radio and my mirror-mount dash cam both have decent LCDs in them, i have been wanting to run a raspberry pi for a while03:21
Mikeeei have arduinos in all my vehicles, pretty easy to interface to a pi03:21
furyHehe. Raspberry Pi is one of the supported boards that runs AGL :) if I got time one of these days, I was gonna try to customize it to a landscape 7" screen; the portrait 15" one that the demo is targeted is a bit much for the pi, runs out of GPU memory quick03:23
Mikeeedoes AGL run services like a normal distro?03:23
Mikeeelooks like it does! i could probably integrate it with particle03:24
furyYeah. It's got an app framework and all, uses systemd, fires up a bunch of bindings for apps to tap into. Home screen isn't quite set up yet to dynamically accommodate new user apps, I don't think -- right now it just inserts a blank spot on the next reboot when an app other than the demo apps is out on03:25
furyBut yeah. Lots of info available at the wiki and docs site. Some of it might be out of date, documentation is as much a work in progress as the software itself, and things move fast :P03:26
Mikeeewell right now i have all my services running without a screen at all03:26
Mikeeeso any GUI would be a step up03:27
furythere's images on http://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/ - latest release candidate for the Pi, for example, is https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/release/dab/latest/raspberrypi3/deploy/images/raspberrypi3/agl-demo-platform-raspberrypi3.rpi-sdimg.xz03:30
furyhttps:// sorry not http://03:31
furyif you download that image and dd it onto an SD card, put it into a Pi 3 and hook up a 1920x1080 touchscreen and turn it sideways, you ought to see cool stuff happen :) it'll also work on smaller screens including the rpf's 7" DSI display, but it'll just be shrunk03:32
furyBut after starting a few apps it'll run out of GPU memory and not be able to start any more and crash horribly :D it's limited to 255 mb for some reason at the moment03:34
Mikeeewell I have a thrift store nearby so lcds are cheap03:34
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furyThere's also the GENIVI Development Platform which can run some sample apps, but I'm not as familiar with that one. But both projects share some common code. Both use yocto, build pretty much everything from source, so you can customize to your heart's content03:41
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leon-anavimorning05:25
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leon-anavihi dl9pf I've seen you message from yesterday night. Can you please provide details about the rcar3 issue (SPEC-772) if you have already found a solution?05:41
leon-anaviDoes it depend on the merge of Gerrit Change 10107 ?05:43
mranostayleon-anavi: dl9pf fixed it iirc05:44
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leon-anaviI don't see any new commits in meta-agl-demo and I am still getting the same error.05:45
mranostayleon-anavi: you on dab or master?05:46
leon-anavimaster05:48
mranostayof course i suspect he'd merge to both05:48
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leon-anaviI reported the issue that I am having since yesterday in https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-77206:02
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dnkombhas any of you guys built the GDP Master image for qemu x86-64 lately? I seem to be getting a bunch of errors when running bitbake (though they don't seem fatal), and the UI does not start when running the final image in qemu.08:49
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dnkombhere's the log, if anybody feels like having a look : https://gist.github.com/dkozaratmobica/45d6824d334750cd99226d2ea847462b08:53
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dl9pfleon-anavi: pong ... sec10:37
leon-anavi:)10:37
dl9pf10407 should solve it, but I suspect we need to merge 10409 first and reupload a v3 o 1040710:37
leon-anaviok, no worries, I applied a simple work around and I have an image now10:38
leon-anavisearching for the right power supply for rcar3 now :)10:38
dl9pfiirc that was 5V 8A ?10:38
CTtpollardcheck the polarity of the jack! (I may have 'broken' a rcar2...)10:40
leon-anavi8A?10:41
dl9pfthere's a built-in indicator ... a smoke-generator ;)  .... SCNR10:41
dl9pfleon-anavi: iirc 8A or 6A ... the gen3 has an input of 5V but internally generates 12V, and under full throttle, it needs >30W .10:42
smurraythe brick I got with my rcar3 died, I switched to another that's 5V 4A, seems sufficient10:42
dl9pfsmurray: well for what we do with it, yes .10:42
smurraygotcha10:42
leon-anaviok... I guess the 5V 2A power supply that I found on my desk is for another board.10:43
dl9pfThe board farm here shares single 5V 12A + 12V 10A supplies10:43
dl9pfI want crocodile-plugs built into my desk for 5V and 12V ;)10:44
leon-anaviactually, I have a simple lab kind of dc power supply 0~30V with max 5A :)10:46
dl9pfleon-anavi: those are very good ... just make sure you apply 5V and not 12V ;) ...10:46
leon-anavimine is low cost Chinese model so it doesn't fit well in the "very good" category :)10:47
dl9pfjobol: ronan__: please comment on 10409, so we can merge it and possible bumt 10407 to use it.10:47
leon-anavibut it is good enough for my hobby electronics stuff :)10:47
smurrayI'll have to pick up another 6 or 8A 5V supply, I guess10:47
joboldl9pf, I can +2 and merge. I can do that. have you tested?10:50
leon-anavigood news: m3ulcb works with the 5V 2A power supply that I found on my desk :)10:53
dl9pfjobol: thats what I needed to skip the missing CAN_FD on porter's 3.x kernel11:09
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mdpfury, "patches welcome" :)13:32
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furymdp: https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/ces-2017-demo#wifi_connectivity like that? :P14:35
mdp+114:35
mdpthanks14:35
fury:D14:36
mdpdocs are universally unloved by developers14:37
furyyes. i haaaaaaaate writing documentation of my own software. but hypocritically, i love it when i use someone else's software and it has good documentation :P14:38
furycause the software changes so quickly, it feels like it'd be 10x the work to go back through and edit every reference in the documentation14:38
mdpit's the documentation paradox14:40
mdpplus we have to write enough in jira/gerrit/git/sourcecode that we consider it "done"14:40
furyy'know what would be cool?14:40
mdpoh no14:41
furyif documentation wrote itself based on those things that are already written in jira, gerrit, git commits, and source code :P14:41
* mdp waits for a docs generator comment14:41
furyyuuuuuuuup14:41
mdpding ding ding14:41
furyi tried one of those once14:41
waltminerIf Fonzie jumped a shark during shark week. That would be cool!14:41
mdp+114:41
furyi'm so predictable14:41
mdpdocs generators are great until they aren't14:42
mdplike code generators14:42
waltmineror maybe Fonzie could jump a shark AND Michael Phelps while wriing a doc generator14:42
furyneed some interns to handle documentation :P14:42
mdpand somebody to handle the interns14:42
furyand somebody to handle the somebody that handles the interns14:43
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furyi'll just buy apple and make them do the documentation. they seem to have decent documentation.14:44
mdpyeah, the ipodcp and carplay specifications are all well-written IMHO14:45
mdpit helps to have a real techpubs department14:45
furyyeah. trillion dollars in the bank helps too14:47
furyi have a couple digits to go before i get there :P14:47
mdpI'm there..I just do this for fun.14:48
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mdpreaching out to the little people14:48
fury:D14:48
mdpI need a photo op on a tractor in <insert midwestern state here>14:48
* fury votes kentucky14:49
furybut instead of tractor, you should do horse14:49
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furycause kentucky is the home of fast women and beautiful horses, or someting like that14:49
furyaccording to my dad14:49
mdpand mint juleps!14:49
furyyes!14:50
mdpbtw, do you know where scottburg is?14:50
furyi actually drove to michigan just to have some mint juleps and watch the derby with my dad :P14:50
furynope14:50
mdper, scottsburg, even14:50
mdpyou are in louisville?14:50
furyoh, scottsburg, i pass that every time i go to indiana yep14:50
furyand yeah, i'm in louisville14:51
mdpok, figured if you ever went north out of there..I'm there fairly often, brother-in-law is there.14:51
furysweet14:51
mdpwe're practically neighbors or something like that14:52
furyyep, i head north pretty often. most of my family is either in indiana, illinois, or michigan14:52
mdpsorta like when I fly through ORD and I'm next to waltminer14:52
waltminerwoot!14:52
mdpmy most favorite bigly westbound airport14:53
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* mranostay loves ORD...16:02
mranostayAlmost as much as CDG or Newark :)16:02
waltminerLHR is the worst16:03
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mdpmranostay: omg, please don't place CDG in a bin with those16:06
mdpick16:06
* mdp experiences flashbacks16:06
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mranostaymdp: that soviet era Berlin airport was fun as well.. but suspect i won't have to go through than when they open the new airport16:09
* mranostay laughs16:09
mdps/when/if/ :)16:09
mranostayit is amazes me someone could screw up an airport project that badly... and the germans even :)16:10
smurrayit seems everyone messes up new airport construction, iirc, the kansai one in Japan had delays due to it sinking or something16:11
smurrayand Denver or DFW was the poster-child 15-20 years ago16:12
mdpmranostay: I have all positives at ORD and EWR..I won't use LGA if you paid me.16:15
waltminerLGA.  No that is a bad a airport. I don’t even count that on the list. I have relatives in that area and I will never use LGA16:16
smurrayI think I've only ever been in it once, can't even remember it16:24
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mdpthat's your body coping with the traumatic experience...you must not remember.16:25
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dl9pfmranostay: hehe ... IF not WHEN16:48
dl9pfmdp: is right ...16:49
dl9pfchances are high they'll use dynamite and reconstruct ... might be cheaper16:49
mdplol16:49
mranostaydl9pf: SXF is an interesting airport..16:50
mranostayI understand why my airfare was cheaper than flying to Tegal :)16:50
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dl9pfsaw a comparison ... TXL has 2500 sprinklers in the building - BER has 70000 ... no go figure where the problems come from16:50
mranostayheh is it that much bigger?16:51
mranostayor did .de add some more fire regs?16:51
dl9pfno ... fire code of different era16:51
dl9pfwell a little bigger, yes16:52
dl9pfprobably twice16:52
dl9pfmranostay: your recipes are still using SRCREV's of 3.99.316:53
dl9pfwe need to bump the bluetooth service16:53
dl9pfin dab branch16:53
mranostayok16:54
mranostaydl9pf:  should it be AUTOREV for master now?16:54
dl9pfmaster is still AUTOREV until we change that16:54
dl9pfdab is fixed rev16:54
dl9pfnew srcrev should be for bt-service:3587e397424285df38d28b1572ce9118724d5122 - agree ?16:55
mranostayyep16:55
dl9pfplease push to dab branch then. tnx.16:56
mranostayok16:56
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MickiHello20:18
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MickiI am first here20:18
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MickiMaybe do you discuss about car ecus software here? :D20:18
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