IRC logs for #automotive for Wednesday, 2015-07-15

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glaHi guys. I was pointed to this channel from Automotive Grade Linux wiki page. What I wanted to do is to give this "distro" a try. Can somebody explain to me what is actually happening on their webpage? Parts seems to be incomplete. There is actually no source for the applications and so on. The thing is confusing though cause I can find some nice demo videos on youtube.09:50
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paulsherwoodhi gla - yes, you're right. there is some movement happening right now10:39
paulsherwoodi am not fully uptospeed on the history - only recently joined AGL - but the current situation is that work is being done to bring the various layers of the distro together in the open. that work is happening now, but i don't think there is anything that you could 'get started' with quickly today. i may be wrong, though10:41
paulsherwoodi could talk a bit more confidently about the GENIVI stack, though, if that might be of interest?10:41
paulsherwoodi believe that the AGL distro will re-use at least some of GENIVI's architecture10:42
paulsherwoodso i wonder if GENIVI might be a possible startpoint for you in the short term? depends what you're trying to do, though10:43
persiaFrom a talk I saw last month (so out of date), I had the impression that the AGL distro planned to be GENIVI compliant, so GENIVI plus other stuff layered above.10:43
paulsherwoodyes, true, although they may not actually seek formal compliance10:44
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paulsherwoodbecause genivi's spec is members-only, and the agl intention is to be a fully open solution10:45
persiaAh, tricky that.10:46
paulsherwoodcool... linaro folks have pointed me towards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jFzXRrFh8 as getting started guide11:28
paulsherwood(for LAVA)11:28
glaI am not interested in GENIVI per se. What I would like to do is to give AGL a try. At the moment I found "AGL Demonstrator Project using Crosswalk" which  points to building/deploying tizen and on top of it to build some AGL IVI's apps. What is the roadmap for AGL. Is there a plan to have as a full distro based on tizen which tools to build entire system image? Or is it going to be just a layer on top of tizen installed separetly?11:30
paulsherwoodgla: others here know more in detail, but i believe that agl aims to re-use some things from tizen-ivi. i am not aware of any roadmap for tizen in automotive11:32
paulsherwoodthe plan now for agl is to have a full distro using Yocto to create the system image11:32
glaThat actually doesn't sound too bad. So there is a plan, there is going to be some development and release in the future. Do you happen to know, or somebody else, for when is the plan?11:35
paulsherwoodthere is a clear interest to have an initial release during this summer period, and i know that several agl contributors are working towards that. i would guess sometime in august for something to try and experiment with, but i'v been wrong before11:38
paulsherwoodpredicting the future is hard :)11:38
glaSo do you think whether is makes sense to try out tizen on my target and then try to build the only demo found on AGL wiki or would it make more sense to wait until there really is something to try?11:41
paulsherwoodgla: i really wish i know what to say, but i can't answer that with any confidence. i know some agl contributors will be online later today, though... so i hope they can give better guidance11:43
FelixHHi, I'm pretty new to AGL too and I also have difficulties at this time to see where is it going and what this will bring? (But it's very interesting to follow people with similar applications and problems)11:43
FelixHBy the way, if you setup a LAVA for AGL I'm very interested to follow how you do it, I'm seeking to do it also in a near future...11:44
paulsherwoodFelixH: excellent! maybe we can help each other on that :-)11:51
FelixHyep =)11:57
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jlrmagnusMorning14:32
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paulsherwoodhi there :-)15:10
paulsherwoodjlrmagnus: do you have backscroll? i wonder if you could comment on gla's questions about agl/tizen/roadmap?15:11
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persiahttps://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/#automotive.2015-07-15.log.html has backscroll15:29
paulsherwoodactually, the person who can probably answer best is waltminer15:38
jlrmagnusOne sec.15:39
waltminerhuh?15:39
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jlrmagnusI think Walt has a better picture of the current AGL status, and where to download images, than I do.15:45
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ulf`Hi15:55
paulsherwoodwaltminer: 12:30 < gla> I am not interested in GENIVI per se. What I would like to do is to give AGL a try. At the moment I found "AGL Demonstrator Project using Crosswalk" which  points to building/deploying  tizen and on top of it to build some AGL IVI's apps. What is the roadmap for AGL. Is there a plan to have as a full distro based on tizen which tools to build entire system image? Or is it16:01
paulsherwood goig to be16:01
paulsherwoodjust a layer on top of tizen installed separetly?16:01
paulsherwoodwaltminer: if you need the backscroll it's here https://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/%23automotive.2015-07-15.log.html#t2015-07-15T09:50:0716:01
waltminerI suggest sending an email to the discussions mail list. Forrest Graham from JLR has been uploading the images and maintaining them.16:03
waltminerthe images that are there now are for the Demo apps developed by JLR on Tizen IVI16:04
waltminerUpdating the wiki to have a more understandable roadmap is a good idea. I will work on that. I updated the “Getting Started” page yesterday to point here and to the discussions mail list16:06
waltminerHowdy Ulf’16:07
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waltmineror ulf`16:08
ulf`Hi waltminer16:10
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glaDid jlrmagnus replied? Cause I got disconnected:/16:42
jlrmagnusI pointed at Walt.16:43
paulsherwoodgla: https://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/%23automotive.2015-07-15.log.html#t2015-07-15T16:03:3116:43
paulsherwoodwe have some wiki gardening to do, clearly :)16:44
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paulsherwoodrstreif: i'm not sure how to take your email today... i fear i should drop back from the conversation?19:00
paulsherwoodi haven't been involved for long enough to understadn the priorities here, i think19:01
paulsherwood(re hosting/workflow solns)19:01
paulsherwood(and roles... i commented previously, i think my proposal was similar to yours)19:03
paulsherwood(except i don't really see a need to separate maintainers/contributors)19:03
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persiaI have very little context, but for the various projects in which I've been involved, when there was a distinction between maintainers and contributors, there were usually fewer contributors.22:35
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waltminerHi rstreif23:16
waltminerQuestion about your email re: gerrit roles23:16
waltminerYou were asking about the roles. Did you take a look at the roles as described on the help page?23:17
waltminerpaulsherwood thinks his proposal is similar to rstreif but I think Rudi is closer to the gerrit help page. Thoughts?23:21
persiawaltminer: Which gerrit help page?23:30
waltminerThis is the link that was in the email I sent https://git.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/Documentation/access-control.html#example_roles23:32
persiaAh, right.  I usually don't like to see humans granted the Push Merge Commit permission, because we make mistakes.  Better to use automation for that.  Everything else makes sense.23:34
persiaI just don't like the "maintainer" keyword, mostly because of legacy semantics that sometimes make others try to turn technical contributions into a social game.23:34
rstreifwaltminer: yes, I did look at those roles which are the standard Gerrit roles. I was wondering if those are going to be adapted as is or modified.23:44
rstreifpaulsherwood: no offense meant in the e-mail, GitHub has a very strong, proven albeit simple workflow for contributors using a simple web interface. And it has visibility. Both are conducive to inviting contribution which is what we want.23:47
rstreifpaulsherwood: Folks seem to dislike the Gerrit UI which I can concur with. I do like the idea of formal code review though.23:48
rstreifpaulsherwood: essentially all FOSS project have a maintainer, a responsible point of contact. I think it makes sense.23:49
waltminerI am thinking they need tweaks, but I don’t  know enough to suggest what they might be at this point23:49
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