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kbrouliktoscalix: Hi there. I apologize once again for our late reply. I just had a go with the QEMU Genivi demo image, I'm a bit of a noob with QEMU so I'll first try to get it to connect to the internet and then I'll have a look at what's need to get Plasma up and running there. Given there's Qt already and Weston too, I'm naively confident that it shouldn't take too much effort09:47
toscalixkbroulik: CTtpollard and rajm are the maintainers, together with chbae They will assit you09:48
toscalixassist09:49
toscalixwelcome to this channel. Funtimes ahead of us09:49
bshahalso hi o/09:50
CTtpollardhi there09:50
kbroulikbshah: in case you didnt find it: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Download+Page :)09:51
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bshahso mostly I work on creating plasma mobile image, which runs on Nexus 5 (through libhybris currently and sooner freedreno drm driver). Happy to help for this.09:52
toscalixwelcome bshah09:52
bshahbit meh thing is, current plasma-workspace depends on say, qt5.609:53
rajmand hi also!09:54
CTtpollardwe can be a bit flexible with qt509:54
kbroulikbshah: do we actually make use of any Qt 5.6 stuff right now? it's mostly about fixing the QScreen madness which shouldn't be a problem on genivi for now?09:55
bshahkbroulik: aye, right, well it is cmake dep and can be easily patched away..09:55
toscalixcurrently we have Qt 5.5.1. We will have Qt 5.6 this year. In the next two weeks we will know when. It can be in about a month or in about 4, depending on which next major release we publish.09:58
toscalix3 more than 409:58
kbroulikbshah: oh, except for the plasmashell QScreen patch by aleix, maybe that one needs reverting "temporarily" too for that, heh09:58
toscalixdepending on your output, we can work to improve the current situation related with Qt09:59
kbrouliktoscalix: also, we're planning to make Plasma 5.8 a LTS release, so we'll have a version of Plasma that'll keep its requirement to Qt 5.6 for a lot longer than what we usually do09:59
kbroulikso, once we have Qt 5.6, a newer Qt version isn't that much of a requirement anymore I suppose09:59
toscalixfor automotive, due to Qt 5.7 new license schema, Qt 5.6 will be around for longer than other versions10:00
kbroulikindeed10:00
toscalixAlthough GDP will try to move to Qt 5.7 as soon as we can since it comes with nice features for automotive10:00
toscalixcannot tell when at this point though10:00
kbroulikindeed10:00
bshahtoscalix: btw, my idea of things is, you don't actually want full fledged plasmashell UI.. right? so what I think is for instance UI based on say Kirigami would be much fancy and actually point-to for you people..10:01
bshahkbroulik: what do you think?10:01
toscalixbshah: right10:01
kbroulikyeah, I think a "qmlscene" with some plasma components would work10:01
toscalixin fact, anything you guys can bring is an improvement from what we have, so we won't be too demanding initially :-)10:01
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bshahhehe10:02
kbroulikbshah: on the other hand, might be worth looking into the phone shell for that?10:02
kbroulikthe phone shell is basically "one window/app at a time" which is exactly what we would have in the car. ie. you have your GPS app or your browser or whatever10:02
kbroulikplus some status bar10:02
bshahkbroulik: you know I was thinking something different... bit more hybrid of old mediacenter ui + mobile shell10:03
kbroulikyeah I also had media center in mind10:04
kbroulikbut does the mobile thing have "apps"?10:04
kbroulikerr, media center10:04
bshahit would had.. if I can get time to merge my code actually.. :\10:05
kbroulik:/10:11
CTtpollardhas plasma been 'yocto'd' at all yet?10:13
bshahI believe no..10:13
toscalixno from what I know10:14
toscalixCTtpollard: can we support them on that when the time comes?10:15
toscalixit would help Plasma to be spread among embedded engineers10:16
CTtpollardofc10:16
toscalixand make it easier for us to manage it10:16
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CTtpollardkbroulik: I'll be around today but unfortunately I go on summer vacation tomorrow, so happy to help where I can10:22
toscalixCTtpollard: when are you back? The second week of July?10:22
toscalixrajm: will be around next week10:22
CTtpollardtoscalix: yes10:23
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toscalixrdale: great to have you around11:24
toscalixhow is the Canary Islands doing?11:24
rdalevery well, unlike the uk11:24
toscalix:-)11:25
rdaleprobably be a very good market for used trabants or similar in 5 years11:25
toscalixjajajajajaja11:26
toscalixsadly no software on that one11:27
rdaleno that's true11:27
toscalixhey... an opportunity there11:27
rdaleis the a vm image of a gdb development environment that i can download?11:28
rdale^gdb^gdp11:29
toscalixhttp://projects.genivi.org/gdp/download11:29
toscalixdo you have a rpi2?11:30
toscalixor 3?11:30
toscalixQEMU is also available11:30
rdalei've got some rpi2s but they are being used. i see gdp-ivi9-qemu.bzImage on the wiki - is that a dev image?11:31
toscalixthose you see are tha last major release11:31
CTtpollardrdale: that image won't have gdb enabled11:31
toscalixthe latest software is here: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Master11:31
toscalixbut you would have to build it yourself following the instructions11:32
rdaleso to do development, like adding kde - i would need to build that then11:32
toscalixso I recommend you as first step using QEMU image of GDP-ivi911:32
toscalixrdale: yes11:32
rdaleok11:32
toscalixif you have ny problem, rajm or CTtpollard can assist you11:33
toscalixif you find problems in our documentation, please let us know11:33
rdaledoes it build on the rpi2, or just run?11:34
toscalixmost of the people we talk to are very familiar with yocto11:34
toscalixbuild and run11:34
toscalixah, wait.... on the rpi2 I do not recommend you to run it. It would take ages11:35
toscalixsorry, I do not recommend you to build it11:35
rdaleok11:35
CTtpollardif you were to build GDP from master for any target we include yocto tools-debug package group by default (gdb strace etc)11:35
CTtpollardthe precompiled images on the wiki are from before we included as default11:36
rdaledoes that mean that to add kde plasma we would need to get it building with yocto?11:36
CTtpollardultimately11:36
CTtpollardyou can use the sdk etc before getting recipe integration11:37
toscalixrdale: this is why this is a shared effort between the gdp delivery team and the kde devs11:37
rdalei see11:38
toscalixassuming kde devs are not familiar with yocto11:38
bshahI know bit of theory of it.. background: while switching to CM + plasma in lxc container for mobile, I did come across yocto, specifically some document from elementryos on getting wayland working on nexus511:40
toscalixbshah: ah, good to hear11:41
bshahthis document I am talking about : https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/boot2efl/11:42
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toscalixI didn't know about this page11:43
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bshahbut well, at most, my knowledge about it is like : "it exists" :P11:47
toscalixthat is why we are here for11:48
toscalixand what....11:48
CTtpollardI have a vague memory of a talk at fosdem re running wayland on nexus511:48
rdalei've got kubuntu 15.10 on my work laptop, i'm going to try and build GDP on that11:48
toscalixrdale: sadly yocto recommends a specific ubuntu version11:48
toscalix14.04 I believe11:48
rdaleyes 14.04 lts11:49
toscalixtelll us your experience11:49
rdaleok11:49
toscalixtools linked to specific versions of specific distributions......11:49
rdalei'll use a 14.04 vm if it doesn't work11:49
rdaleoh really11:49
bshahCTtpollard: interesting... some link or something?11:49
CTtpollardbshah: I'll try and dig it up11:49
toscalixrdale: sometimes I wonder if we are moving forward :-P11:50
fredcadetemy latest build machine has ubuntu 16.04, runs yocto everyday and hasn't exploded yet11:50
fredcadetefwiw11:50
pedroalvarez:)11:50
CTtpollardyes, I think the 14.04 dependency is a little outdated now. just a known working base11:51
rdalefredcadete: that's encouraging - it sounds worth giving 15.10 a go11:51
toscalixfredcadete: that is good news, I wonder how to handle this from a message/support perspective11:51
CTtpollardas with requiring bash11:51
toscalixthat could be an interesting topic for the yocto project11:52
toscalixI assume they are aware of it anyway11:52
toscalixit seems an obvious one to me11:52
fredcadeteinternally I avoid taking any position and point users to yocto's doc: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.1/yocto-project-qs/yocto-project-qs.html#yp-resources11:53
fredcadeteit's a bit sloppy to say "follow this webpage first" but it saves so much drudge work...11:53
toscalixCTtpollard: where does our idea of.... use Ubuntu 14.04 comes from?11:54
toscalixI took it for granted based on something I read, but cannot remember what11:54
toscalixfredcadete: this wiki page is clear11:54
CTtpollardtoscalix: the yocto version that we were using for GDP initially required 14.0411:54
toscalixah, ok11:55
CTtpollardbut yocto 1.6 is quite old :)11:55
toscalixyou mean for gdp-ivi911:55
toscalixgot it11:55
toscalixfor master..... we are more flexible, right?11:55
toscalixwe should clarify it in our GDP master wiki page11:55
toscalixmaybe pointing to this page?11:55
CTtpollardfeel free, ensure it's the 2.0 docs though11:57
CTtpollardI have a feeling something outside of poky/OE may have had troubles beyond 14.04 as well11:57
toscalixit is an important topic. I would play conservative here11:58
CTtpollardyocto can't certify beyond poky/OE systems11:58
toscalixhttp://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.0/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#detailed-supported-distros11:58
toscalixI will link to this one with a note referring to ubuntu 14.0411:59
toscalixfredcadete: thanks for the input.11:59
toscalixit is a relevant one11:59
fredcadetenp11:59
toscalixwe need more users....11:59
toscalixadded https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Master#GDPMaster-Buildinstructions12:02
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rdalemy build on kubuntu 15.10 has failed with pulseaudio linking errors against dbus13:33
CTtpollardcould you pastebin the error log rdale?13:35
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rdaleCTpollard: http://pastebin.com/vsa9mtCB13:38
CTtpollardlooks like others have seen that on 15.10 https://community.nxp.com/thread/38065313:44
rdaleah ok, unfortunately there were no replies with a fix13:45
rdaleno, take that back - there is a useful sounding reply13:46
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CTtpollardhi chbae14:10
chbaeHi CTtpollard.14:10
chbaeWill you go on summer vacation tomorrow?14:12
chbaeI read today’s talking brifely.14:14
CTtpollardyes :)14:18
fredcadeteCTtpollard: enjoy europe while you can ;)14:22
CTtpollardfredcadete: ha! I'm not leaving England actually this time....14:23
fredcadeteand I should do the same with the UK...14:23
jbocklagewas the invitation code for the Munich AMM already sent to the mailing list? https://www.regonline.com/Register/Checkin.aspx?EventID=184397914:25
chbaeCTtpollard: Enjoy your vacation14:28
chbaeI’ll test qt 5.6 (meta-qt5’s krogoth branch).14:31
CTtpollardchbae: thanks I will :)14:32
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