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| kbroulik | toscalix: Hi there. I apologize once again for our late reply. I just had a go with the QEMU Genivi demo image, I'm a bit of a noob with QEMU so I'll first try to get it to connect to the internet and then I'll have a look at what's need to get Plasma up and running there. Given there's Qt already and Weston too, I'm naively confident that it shouldn't take too much effort | 09:47 |
| toscalix | kbroulik: CTtpollard and rajm are the maintainers, together with chbae They will assit you | 09:48 |
| toscalix | assist | 09:49 |
| toscalix | welcome to this channel. Funtimes ahead of us | 09:49 |
| bshah | also hi o/ | 09:50 |
| CTtpollard | hi there | 09:50 |
| kbroulik | bshah: in case you didnt find it: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Download+Page :) | 09:51 |
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| bshah | so mostly I work on creating plasma mobile image, which runs on Nexus 5 (through libhybris currently and sooner freedreno drm driver). Happy to help for this. | 09:52 |
| toscalix | welcome bshah | 09:52 |
| bshah | bit meh thing is, current plasma-workspace depends on say, qt5.6 | 09:53 |
| rajm | and hi also! | 09:54 |
| CTtpollard | we can be a bit flexible with qt5 | 09:54 |
| kbroulik | bshah: do we actually make use of any Qt 5.6 stuff right now? it's mostly about fixing the QScreen madness which shouldn't be a problem on genivi for now? | 09:55 |
| bshah | kbroulik: aye, right, well it is cmake dep and can be easily patched away.. | 09:55 |
| toscalix | currently we have Qt 5.5.1. We will have Qt 5.6 this year. In the next two weeks we will know when. It can be in about a month or in about 4, depending on which next major release we publish. | 09:58 |
| toscalix | 3 more than 4 | 09:58 |
| kbroulik | bshah: oh, except for the plasmashell QScreen patch by aleix, maybe that one needs reverting "temporarily" too for that, heh | 09:58 |
| toscalix | depending on your output, we can work to improve the current situation related with Qt | 09:59 |
| kbroulik | toscalix: also, we're planning to make Plasma 5.8 a LTS release, so we'll have a version of Plasma that'll keep its requirement to Qt 5.6 for a lot longer than what we usually do | 09:59 |
| kbroulik | so, once we have Qt 5.6, a newer Qt version isn't that much of a requirement anymore I suppose | 09:59 |
| toscalix | for automotive, due to Qt 5.7 new license schema, Qt 5.6 will be around for longer than other versions | 10:00 |
| kbroulik | indeed | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Although GDP will try to move to Qt 5.7 as soon as we can since it comes with nice features for automotive | 10:00 |
| toscalix | cannot tell when at this point though | 10:00 |
| kbroulik | indeed | 10:00 |
| bshah | toscalix: btw, my idea of things is, you don't actually want full fledged plasmashell UI.. right? so what I think is for instance UI based on say Kirigami would be much fancy and actually point-to for you people.. | 10:01 |
| bshah | kbroulik: what do you think? | 10:01 |
| toscalix | bshah: right | 10:01 |
| kbroulik | yeah, I think a "qmlscene" with some plasma components would work | 10:01 |
| toscalix | in fact, anything you guys can bring is an improvement from what we have, so we won't be too demanding initially :-) | 10:01 |
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| bshah | hehe | 10:02 |
| kbroulik | bshah: on the other hand, might be worth looking into the phone shell for that? | 10:02 |
| kbroulik | the phone shell is basically "one window/app at a time" which is exactly what we would have in the car. ie. you have your GPS app or your browser or whatever | 10:02 |
| kbroulik | plus some status bar | 10:02 |
| bshah | kbroulik: you know I was thinking something different... bit more hybrid of old mediacenter ui + mobile shell | 10:03 |
| kbroulik | yeah I also had media center in mind | 10:04 |
| kbroulik | but does the mobile thing have "apps"? | 10:04 |
| kbroulik | err, media center | 10:04 |
| bshah | it would had.. if I can get time to merge my code actually.. :\ | 10:05 |
| kbroulik | :/ | 10:11 |
| CTtpollard | has plasma been 'yocto'd' at all yet? | 10:13 |
| bshah | I believe no.. | 10:13 |
| toscalix | no from what I know | 10:14 |
| toscalix | CTtpollard: can we support them on that when the time comes? | 10:15 |
| toscalix | it would help Plasma to be spread among embedded engineers | 10:16 |
| CTtpollard | ofc | 10:16 |
| toscalix | and make it easier for us to manage it | 10:16 |
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| CTtpollard | kbroulik: I'll be around today but unfortunately I go on summer vacation tomorrow, so happy to help where I can | 10:22 |
| toscalix | CTtpollard: when are you back? The second week of July? | 10:22 |
| toscalix | rajm: will be around next week | 10:22 |
| CTtpollard | toscalix: yes | 10:23 |
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| toscalix | rdale: great to have you around | 11:24 |
| toscalix | how is the Canary Islands doing? | 11:24 |
| rdale | very well, unlike the uk | 11:24 |
| toscalix | :-) | 11:25 |
| rdale | probably be a very good market for used trabants or similar in 5 years | 11:25 |
| toscalix | jajajajajaja | 11:26 |
| toscalix | sadly no software on that one | 11:27 |
| rdale | no that's true | 11:27 |
| toscalix | hey... an opportunity there | 11:27 |
| rdale | is the a vm image of a gdb development environment that i can download? | 11:28 |
| rdale | ^gdb^gdp | 11:29 |
| toscalix | http://projects.genivi.org/gdp/download | 11:29 |
| toscalix | do you have a rpi2? | 11:30 |
| toscalix | or 3? | 11:30 |
| toscalix | QEMU is also available | 11:30 |
| rdale | i've got some rpi2s but they are being used. i see gdp-ivi9-qemu.bzImage on the wiki - is that a dev image? | 11:31 |
| toscalix | those you see are tha last major release | 11:31 |
| CTtpollard | rdale: that image won't have gdb enabled | 11:31 |
| toscalix | the latest software is here: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Master | 11:31 |
| toscalix | but you would have to build it yourself following the instructions | 11:32 |
| rdale | so to do development, like adding kde - i would need to build that then | 11:32 |
| toscalix | so I recommend you as first step using QEMU image of GDP-ivi9 | 11:32 |
| toscalix | rdale: yes | 11:32 |
| rdale | ok | 11:32 |
| toscalix | if you have ny problem, rajm or CTtpollard can assist you | 11:33 |
| toscalix | if you find problems in our documentation, please let us know | 11:33 |
| rdale | does it build on the rpi2, or just run? | 11:34 |
| toscalix | most of the people we talk to are very familiar with yocto | 11:34 |
| toscalix | build and run | 11:34 |
| toscalix | ah, wait.... on the rpi2 I do not recommend you to run it. It would take ages | 11:35 |
| toscalix | sorry, I do not recommend you to build it | 11:35 |
| rdale | ok | 11:35 |
| CTtpollard | if you were to build GDP from master for any target we include yocto tools-debug package group by default (gdb strace etc) | 11:35 |
| CTtpollard | the precompiled images on the wiki are from before we included as default | 11:36 |
| rdale | does that mean that to add kde plasma we would need to get it building with yocto? | 11:36 |
| CTtpollard | ultimately | 11:36 |
| CTtpollard | you can use the sdk etc before getting recipe integration | 11:37 |
| toscalix | rdale: this is why this is a shared effort between the gdp delivery team and the kde devs | 11:37 |
| rdale | i see | 11:38 |
| toscalix | assuming kde devs are not familiar with yocto | 11:38 |
| bshah | I know bit of theory of it.. background: while switching to CM + plasma in lxc container for mobile, I did come across yocto, specifically some document from elementryos on getting wayland working on nexus5 | 11:40 |
| toscalix | bshah: ah, good to hear | 11:41 |
| bshah | this document I am talking about : https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/boot2efl/ | 11:42 |
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| toscalix | I didn't know about this page | 11:43 |
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| bshah | but well, at most, my knowledge about it is like : "it exists" :P | 11:47 |
| toscalix | that is why we are here for | 11:48 |
| toscalix | and what.... | 11:48 |
| CTtpollard | I have a vague memory of a talk at fosdem re running wayland on nexus5 | 11:48 |
| rdale | i've got kubuntu 15.10 on my work laptop, i'm going to try and build GDP on that | 11:48 |
| toscalix | rdale: sadly yocto recommends a specific ubuntu version | 11:48 |
| toscalix | 14.04 I believe | 11:48 |
| rdale | yes 14.04 lts | 11:49 |
| toscalix | telll us your experience | 11:49 |
| rdale | ok | 11:49 |
| toscalix | tools linked to specific versions of specific distributions...... | 11:49 |
| rdale | i'll use a 14.04 vm if it doesn't work | 11:49 |
| rdale | oh really | 11:49 |
| bshah | CTtpollard: interesting... some link or something? | 11:49 |
| CTtpollard | bshah: I'll try and dig it up | 11:49 |
| toscalix | rdale: sometimes I wonder if we are moving forward :-P | 11:50 |
| fredcadete | my latest build machine has ubuntu 16.04, runs yocto everyday and hasn't exploded yet | 11:50 |
| fredcadete | fwiw | 11:50 |
| pedroalvarez | :) | 11:50 |
| CTtpollard | yes, I think the 14.04 dependency is a little outdated now. just a known working base | 11:51 |
| rdale | fredcadete: that's encouraging - it sounds worth giving 15.10 a go | 11:51 |
| toscalix | fredcadete: that is good news, I wonder how to handle this from a message/support perspective | 11:51 |
| CTtpollard | as with requiring bash | 11:51 |
| toscalix | that could be an interesting topic for the yocto project | 11:52 |
| toscalix | I assume they are aware of it anyway | 11:52 |
| toscalix | it seems an obvious one to me | 11:52 |
| fredcadete | internally I avoid taking any position and point users to yocto's doc: http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.1/yocto-project-qs/yocto-project-qs.html#yp-resources | 11:53 |
| fredcadete | it's a bit sloppy to say "follow this webpage first" but it saves so much drudge work... | 11:53 |
| toscalix | CTtpollard: where does our idea of.... use Ubuntu 14.04 comes from? | 11:54 |
| toscalix | I took it for granted based on something I read, but cannot remember what | 11:54 |
| toscalix | fredcadete: this wiki page is clear | 11:54 |
| CTtpollard | toscalix: the yocto version that we were using for GDP initially required 14.04 | 11:54 |
| toscalix | ah, ok | 11:55 |
| CTtpollard | but yocto 1.6 is quite old :) | 11:55 |
| toscalix | you mean for gdp-ivi9 | 11:55 |
| toscalix | got it | 11:55 |
| toscalix | for master..... we are more flexible, right? | 11:55 |
| toscalix | we should clarify it in our GDP master wiki page | 11:55 |
| toscalix | maybe pointing to this page? | 11:55 |
| CTtpollard | feel free, ensure it's the 2.0 docs though | 11:57 |
| CTtpollard | I have a feeling something outside of poky/OE may have had troubles beyond 14.04 as well | 11:57 |
| toscalix | it is an important topic. I would play conservative here | 11:58 |
| CTtpollard | yocto can't certify beyond poky/OE systems | 11:58 |
| toscalix | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.0/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#detailed-supported-distros | 11:58 |
| toscalix | I will link to this one with a note referring to ubuntu 14.04 | 11:59 |
| toscalix | fredcadete: thanks for the input. | 11:59 |
| toscalix | it is a relevant one | 11:59 |
| fredcadete | np | 11:59 |
| toscalix | we need more users.... | 11:59 |
| toscalix | added https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GDP+Master#GDPMaster-Buildinstructions | 12:02 |
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| rdale | my build on kubuntu 15.10 has failed with pulseaudio linking errors against dbus | 13:33 |
| CTtpollard | could you pastebin the error log rdale? | 13:35 |
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| rdale | CTpollard: http://pastebin.com/vsa9mtCB | 13:38 |
| CTtpollard | looks like others have seen that on 15.10 https://community.nxp.com/thread/380653 | 13:44 |
| rdale | ah ok, unfortunately there were no replies with a fix | 13:45 |
| rdale | no, take that back - there is a useful sounding reply | 13:46 |
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| CTtpollard | hi chbae | 14:10 |
| chbae | Hi CTtpollard. | 14:10 |
| chbae | Will you go on summer vacation tomorrow? | 14:12 |
| chbae | I read today’s talking brifely. | 14:14 |
| CTtpollard | yes :) | 14:18 |
| fredcadete | CTtpollard: enjoy europe while you can ;) | 14:22 |
| CTtpollard | fredcadete: ha! I'm not leaving England actually this time.... | 14:23 |
| fredcadete | and I should do the same with the UK... | 14:23 |
| jbocklage | was the invitation code for the Munich AMM already sent to the mailing list? https://www.regonline.com/Register/Checkin.aspx?EventID=1843979 | 14:25 |
| chbae | CTtpollard: Enjoy your vacation | 14:28 |
| chbae | I’ll test qt 5.6 (meta-qt5’s krogoth branch). | 14:31 |
| CTtpollard | chbae: thanks I will :) | 14:32 |
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