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rokrau | it's coming together nicely :-) | 03:10 |
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* rokrau can deploy apps from qtcreator to the R-Porter GDP board now :-) | 03:12 | |
rokrau | and see them pop up on the screen as part of the launcher. Thanks to the tips from Aaron ! | 03:14 |
paulsherwood | w00t! :) | 03:14 |
rokrau | yes indeed! pretty cool - will bring a VBox image with full setup for both R-Po and R-Pi | 03:14 |
* paulsherwood notes that rokrau seems to be working late... so he must be having fun | 03:14 | |
rokrau | well - i am training all day :-) so i am well fed... and stoked from too much coffee - way too much | 03:15 |
rokrau | Now - if only the documentation would write itself - all would be really great ... | 03:16 |
rokrau | ls | 03:16 |
* rokrau is heading out now - night! | 03:18 | |
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CTtpollard | morning all | 07:39 |
toscalix | good morning | 07:50 |
jeremiah | ohai! | 07:59 |
CTtpollard | hey jeremiah | 07:59 |
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leon-anavi | morning | 08:22 |
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* steve_l wonders if the tools team is starting | 09:05 | |
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* steve_l meeting is starting even. Hmm need some sleep | 09:06 | |
CTtpollard | it should be now, looking at the email | 09:06 |
CTtpollard | also morning steve_l :) | 09:06 |
jeremiah | I'm gonna hang out here, I won't join the telco, if that's okay? | 09:06 |
steve_l | morning tom :) | 09:06 |
steve_l | I'm shocked Jeremiah but will let it pass this time | 09:07 |
jeremiah | So generous of you Steve. | 09:07 |
steve_l | btw looks like Tolkien will be coming to the AMM | 09:07 |
jeremiah | Whoa, that's great! | 09:07 |
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steve_l | yeah should help the testing discussion | 09:08 |
jeremiah | indeed | 09:08 |
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gunnarx | The ToolTeams meeting has started, using Webex. Any more joining today? | 09:12 |
steve_l | ah ok was waiting here as Agustin said IRC :) will join.. | 09:13 |
gunnarx | I think he said WebEx :) | 09:13 |
gunnarx | anyway, we can take a few notes here as usual | 09:13 |
toscalix | Wiki page for AMM content: GENIVI Tools Team | 09:16 |
toscalix | https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/TOOL/Tools+Team+at+AMM | 09:16 |
jeremiah | Thanks -- wiki pages are preferable to Google docs in general. :-) | 09:16 |
gunnarx | ...the current discussion is just on planning the details of AMM sessions. Whether things fit the timing, etc. | 09:19 |
gunnarx | for working session. use etherpad to capture. put immediately into wiki. | 09:20 |
gunnarx | ...jeremiah suggests etherpad.fr/p/cars | 09:20 |
jeremiah | https://etherpad.fr/p/tools | 09:22 |
jeremiah | I've set this up for usage ^^ | 09:22 |
jeremiah | This is useful for group editing so we don't have to assign someone to take minutes. | 09:22 |
jeremiah | Having a minute taker is good of course, but often that means they can't participate fully in the conversation | 09:23 |
klausbirken | https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11569858 | 09:25 |
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jeremiah | steve_l: You can reuse this https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/PROJ/Testing+GENIVI+software+in+meta-ivi for the TT talk as well? | 09:43 |
steve_l | jeremiah: yes thanks. | 09:45 |
steve_l | Jeremiah: I'll summarise the BIT work on the wiki as discussed but of course feel free to add related topics/questions for the wider TT project | 09:47 |
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CTtpollard | gunnarx: on the topic of branching / structure of GDP, I think we all agree. There just needs to be a dedicated discussion / point at which we can consolidate | 10:11 |
CTtpollard | believe me, I'd prefer to maintain one branch than many :) | 10:11 |
gunnarx | sure, but you can't | 10:12 |
gunnarx | because there are differences... | 10:12 |
CTtpollard | the restructure of meta-genivi-demo is a step in the right direction | 10:12 |
gunnarx | and that's what branches are for, IMHO | 10:12 |
CTtpollard | all boards could be build-able from a single branch | 10:12 |
gunnarx | could be, yes but one might think differently if that's a good idea | 10:13 |
toscalix | I have discuss this topic with renesas and AGL also. There is a common understanding that it would be good for OEMs to have the same layer structure in both organizations for BSP layers | 10:13 |
gunnarx | toscalix, sounds like a good idea regardless | 10:13 |
toscalix | so we can cooperate in identifying bugs easier | 10:13 |
toscalix | specially when it come to boards | 10:13 |
toscalix | we haven;t got into details yet though | 10:14 |
gunnarx | CTtpollard, the key is how you want to handle differences. As of now all boards are *not* buildable from a single branch (because all boards are not supported with ivi9). Just as an example. | 10:14 |
CTtpollard | manipulation of layers conf at script level can overcome most of the difference / conflicts | 10:14 |
toscalix | the sam applies to peripherals and bugs related with hardware | 10:14 |
toscalix | s/sam/same | 10:14 |
steve_l | I've updated the TT @ AMM page with a testing section, including the work in the BIT and added a bullet list for people to add there topics | 10:15 |
gunnarx | manipulations at script level is of course possible but an unnecessary step. it's not what I prefer. | 10:15 |
CTtpollard | gunnarx: yes, baseline upgrades will require branching,. But we should be able to have here is 'master' at a state where all targets build against the same stable release | 10:15 |
gunnarx | anyway, we should debate properly then decide | 10:15 |
toscalix | I will try to go to AMM with a concrete proposal for those three points. I am talking with dl9pf about it. I assume Walt will also participate | 10:15 |
gunnarx | I don't have time today but I'd welcome a structured mailing list discussion | 10:15 |
CTtpollard | sure :) | 10:15 |
gunnarx | you can make your case... | 10:15 |
toscalix | yes, that is how it should be, so far is just the result of 2 or 3 conversations | 10:16 |
toscalix | f2f | 10:16 |
toscalix | at collab first and then elc event | 10:17 |
gunnarx | 'master' at a state where all targets build against the same stable release. I agree but that's not only about branching. The current project reality is that not all targets build equally. I don't think branch structure itself decides the aspect of whether all hardwares are equally supported or not. | 10:18 |
toscalix | there are currently 4 people in gdp dealing with this problem: jonathanmaw CTtpollard chbae and stephen To me the important outcome is that they agree and feel comfortable with the solution | 10:19 |
toscalix | even if it is not optimal. It can be changed when more people come to support more ports | 10:20 |
gunnarx | I know I'm a purist but I just believe git (branches) are made for handling variants, so you don't need to program as many scripts and other stuff doing the same. Let's compare the outcomes. | 10:20 |
gunnarx | toscalix, yes, the maintainers need to be comfortable. I just want us all to hear all arguments, then those arguments can be discarded if not convincing. | 10:21 |
steve_l | Sorry for stating the obvious, but in any proposal I think you want to describe both sides. What you want to achive (keeps goal in focus) and then how (assess fit) | 10:21 |
toscalix | my second aim is that, whatever solution we find, it is something that the YOCTO project would agree on or find...natural | 10:21 |
toscalix | gunnarx: as CTtpollard mentioned....in order to hear everybody, nothing like the AMM | 10:22 |
toscalix | so we leave the event with an agreement | 10:22 |
gunnarx | nothing like writing it down, when we deal with complex issues | 10:22 |
toscalix | gunnarx: I agree on that one | 10:22 |
steve_l | right off to work talk to you later | 10:23 |
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toscalix | it is easier to get to an agreement if we talk about one or several proposals | 10:23 |
gunnarx | some may not attend the AMM. debating on public lists might bring someone's additional insight | 10:23 |
gunnarx | then we're well prepared for the AMM discussion at least | 10:23 |
toscalix | we love the mailing list and discussing everything there | 10:23 |
toscalix | so we agree on that one too | 10:24 |
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leon-anavi | the GDP open call start in an hour, right? | 14:12 |
leon-anavi | *starts | 14:12 |
CTtpollard | leon-anavi: yup | 14:14 |
CTtpollard | well, 46 mins :P | 14:14 |
leon-anavi | cool :) | 14:14 |
leon-anavi | I got the time zone maths right this time ;) | 14:14 |
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CTtpollard | leon-anavi: it's still tripping me up sometimes | 14:25 |
leon-anavi | same for me :) | 14:25 |
leon-anavi | toscalix, do you mind if I assign GDP-159 to me? | 14:31 |
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amcgee7 | did I miss the gdp meeting? | 15:57 |
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CTtpollard | amcgee7: it's on now, but it claims you're in the call? | 15:58 |
CTtpollard | it is ending however | 15:58 |
amcgee7 | I can't set up any audio. | 15:59 |
amcgee7 | Looks like I'll have to catch it next week. | 16:00 |
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toscalix | leon-anavi-cloud: sorry, I didn't see your question here. I already answered at the GDP call but for the record, go ahead and assign GDP-159 to you. | 16:46 |
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leon-anavi-cloud | toscalix: no worries. I assigned it to me. I will send the patch that adds meta-rvi to GDP tomorrow. | 16:56 |
leon-anavi-cloud | I will write a short wiki article too | 16:57 |
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aeiche | GDP 101 question: What is Kronos? | 17:08 |
aeiche | Is it the release? | 17:09 |
aeiche | nvm, found it | 17:13 |
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aeiche | Does anyone know if Wifi is availble GDP? | 17:58 |
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Jerrick_ | Hello, I was wondering if it was possible to run the agl build on on a winboard board | 18:53 |
mvick | !ansirain | 18:55 |
mvick | Oops. Mischan. :) | 18:55 |
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aeiche | Jerrick_, What is the Winboard? | 19:06 |
Jerrick_ | sorry, I meant MinnowBoard | 19:17 |
Jerrick_ | max | 19:17 |
Jerrick_ | http://wiki.minnowboard.org/MinnowBoard_MAX | 19:17 |
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