| jlrmagnus | Pi software. EMS and Emerald. | 00:03 |
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| jlrmagnus | Mostly | 00:03 |
| jlrmagnus | When I map cars (for a club), I use whatever comes my way. | 00:03 |
| dbkaplun | How did you get into it? What did you read/learn? What was your first change? | 00:04 |
| jlrmagnus | I built a Caterham 7 with a stock Ford engine. At some point I got a Pectel T6 ECU, had it wired into my existing sensors, and started mapping. | 00:05 |
| jlrmagnus | I think I started playing with idle, which is pretty risk free. | 00:05 |
| dbkaplun | jlrmagnus: were you studying from anything or just playing with numbers randomly? | 00:09 |
| jlrmagnus | I had a book. One sec. | 00:09 |
| jlrmagnus | http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Engine-Tuning-Graham-Bell/dp/1859608663 | 00:10 |
| jlrmagnus | Although I didn't use it that much. | 00:10 |
| jlrmagnus | Change one thing at the time, and make sure you understand the consequences of what you did before you change the next thing. | 00:12 |
| jlrmagnus | Get a wideband lambda probe / O2 sensor. | 00:12 |
| jlrmagnus | Be prepared to rent a dyno if you want to get a good map. | 00:12 |
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| jlrmagnus | http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php | 00:13 |
| jlrmagnus | If you know ignition is good, leave it alone and focus on fuel injection. | 00:13 |
| jlrmagnus | Try to get a lambda value of ~0.95-0.97 for a naturally aspirated engine. | 00:14 |
| jlrmagnus | (13.97 - 14.26 for AFR) | 00:15 |
| jlrmagnus | Once you have a base map in place, do tip in (also called transient) fueling to ensure that you have a solid engine response when you apply throttle everywhere in the map. | 00:16 |
| jlrmagnus | Gotta go. Back tomorrow at 8:30 PST / 16:30 GMT. | 00:24 |
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| Tarnyko | morning | 06:36 |
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| fredcadete | good morning | 07:00 |
| fredcadete | Walt just sent a very good GENIVI/AGL/Tizen gap analysis to the agl-discussions list | 07:01 |
| fredcadete | http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/automotive-discussions/2015-October/000914.html | 07:01 |
| fredcadete | it's mandatory reading | 07:01 |
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| fredcadete | Tarnyko: that gap analysis recommends dleyna as a DLNA server | 07:07 |
| fredcadete | it was probably written before the proposal of Rygel | 07:07 |
| fredcadete | it was probably written before the proposal of Rygel\ | 07:12 |
| fredcadete | stupid window focus | 07:12 |
| Tarnyko | fredcadete: hi ; yes we've worked hard on these docs | 07:13 |
| fredcadete | Tarnyko: oh, right. You're in iot.bzh | 07:14 |
| fredcadete | I was forgetting | 07:14 |
| Tarnyko | yes :) Tizen IVI had Rygel and DLNA at the same time, in my understanding they were playing together to give the whole functionality | 07:14 |
| Tarnyko | *Dleyna | 07:15 |
| fredcadete | ah | 07:15 |
| fredcadete | ok then | 07:15 |
| fredcadete | about libav: just to make sure, you are aware of the libav/ffmpeg switch? | 07:16 |
| fredcadete | http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2015-July/102207.html | 07:16 |
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| JEEB | ffmpeg/libav is a mess. it seems like vlc is switching between them with windows binaries and both are broken in diff ways | 07:19 |
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| Tarnyko | Rygel, additionally to UPnP discovery and HTTP streaming, is also a DLNA server. But although it provides a DLNA client API (http://www.murrayc.com/permalink/2012/06/22/rygel-for-a-dlna-player/), it is not a full-fledged DLNA client/AV controller | 07:20 |
| Tarnyko | I think this is worth reading : http://elinux.org/images/1/13/Rygel_Open_Source_DLNA.pdf (short story : Rygel and Dleyna are playing together, the latter acting more as a frontend) | 07:21 |
| JEEB | ffmpeg has more features and various hacks, libav is more towards required review and internal improvements which then get merged into ffmpeg | 07:21 |
| fredcadete | JEEB: the recent switch back to ffmpeg on debian is mostly motivated by responsiveness to security flaws | 07:23 |
| fredcadete | lwn says it all: https://lwn.net/Articles/650816/ | 07:23 |
| JEEB | that discussion was a mess too. I'm related to both projects :p but yes, I've been using ffmpeg myself for quite some time in production | 07:24 |
| fredcadete | you'll certainly know better than me then | 07:26 |
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| Tarnyko | JEEB, fredcadete: I feel like these discussions always end up on an irrational "project vs project" fight | 07:48 |
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| fredcadete | I agree | 07:52 |
| JEEB | yeah | 07:52 |
| fredcadete | I raised the issue to make sure that AGL is aware of this | 07:52 |
| fredcadete | and doesn't say "libav" too strongly | 07:52 |
| fredcadete | the sane thing would probably to use whatever libav/ffmpeg the target version of Yocto is supporting | 07:53 |
| fredcadete | and leave the choice to Yocto | 07:53 |
| Tarnyko | good point | 07:53 |
| JEEB | yeah | 07:53 |
| fredcadete | for now it's still libav, so keep libav | 07:53 |
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| JEEB | anyways, if one good thing came out of the fork, it's that both ffmpeg-new and libav are better than ffmpeg-old circa 2010. the fact that we still have two upstreams is unfortunate, though | 07:54 |
| Tarnyko | ideally the switch would even be painless because libav/ffmpeg intend(ed?) to be API-compatible. I agree that we shouldn't mention a specific project as a final target | 07:54 |
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| JEEB | yes, the only exception is that FFmpeg makes you do --enable-avresample to enable it. otherwise API-wise in general similar version are compatible | 07:54 |
| JEEB | not ABI-compatible although some people at some point thought of that, too (there might even be an option for it which is largely untested and seems to crash and burn) | 07:55 |
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| Tarnyko | good to know for the "--enable-avresample" thing... yes I remember trying to replace one with the other at runtime, and that it didn't go too well :) | 07:58 |
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| jobol | hello every one | 12:00 |
| Tarnyko | jobol: hi ! | 12:01 |
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| waltminer | Good morning | 12:02 |
| waltminer | === AGL Dev Meeting === | 12:02 |
| paulsherwood | hi | 12:03 |
| kooltux | hi all | 12:04 |
| waltminer | Reviewed action items from last meeting. | 12:06 |
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| waltminer | Tanikawa has created a minimal SDK with Qt5 and Qt Creator available | 12:07 |
| waltminer | SDK checked on porter board. Should be easy to create for QEMU as well | 12:09 |
| waltminer | Currently there are two SDK versions. The “Full Version” has Qt5 included | 12:14 |
| waltminer | Currently a full build us required by the developer to run the SDK | 12:14 |
| waltminer | Need to figure out a way to deliver pre-built binaries for the SDK | 12:15 |
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| waltminer | Poky produces a shell script for installing the build. Should be easy to modify to install binary | 12:15 |
| waltminer | Walt will ask Jan-Simon about re-using the binary from Jenkins to deliver the SDK | 12:18 |
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| kooltux | again some sound problems... | 12:20 |
| *** Fulup changes topic to "We have some sound problem" | 12:20 | |
| kooltux | trying to unmute on gotomeeting... | 12:20 |
| waltminer | ok | 12:21 |
| kooltux | strngely, I'm not nmuted... | 12:21 |
| kooltux | anyway go on :) | 12:21 |
| kooltux | my mic is shared through firefox... maybe this is a bug :\ | 12:21 |
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| kooltux | yep on linux | 12:22 |
| kooltux | my mic is working correctly but the sahring is probably failing | 12:22 |
| kooltux | I'm going to call through phone | 12:22 |
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| paulsherwood | Fulup: would you mind changing the topic back? this is not only a channel for agl | 12:39 |
| kooltux | again lost the line this time ! | 12:40 |
| kooltux | not my day | 12:40 |
| jeremiah | o_O | 12:41 |
| paulsherwood | it would be best if folks documented the call here. i can't today sadly, am busy elsewhere | 12:41 |
| waltminer | Snapshots/versioning on AGL: what's the mechanism to open a bug on jira and reference a given "snapshot" Example: when systemd has been added to meta-agl, this broke network (DHCP) and corrupted the splash screen. What's the official mechanism to reference a snapshot ? | 12:42 |
| waltminer | Action item: Walt will work with Stephane and Jan-Simon to propose a mechanism for snapshot references that can be created by Jenkins and referred to in Jira. | 12:42 |
| waltminer | Stephane: Security layer integration: we are ready to push our work on security, which depends on meta-intel-iot-security. For this, creating a new subdir meta-agl/meta-agl-security would make sense. | 12:43 |
| waltminer | Tanikawa asked if the security layer is mandatory or adoptive as this would affect the structure of the repo | 12:49 |
| jbocklage | +1 for recipes-security in meta-agl layer | 12:53 |
| waltminer | Question about whether to add recipes-security to meta-agl or add a meta-security layer to AGL | 12:53 |
| kooltux | trying meta-agl/meta-agl-security first would be the best IMO | 12:55 |
| jobol | +1 meta-agl/meta-agl-security | 12:55 |
| kooltux | jbocklage, if we use recipes-security, we won't see clearly which "other" components in recipes-* are impacted | 12:55 |
| kooltux | wuth meta-agl/meta-agl-security, we'll add recipes-* as in meta-agl | 12:56 |
| jbocklage | so in meta-agl/meta-agl-security we would have a kind of a copy (maybe a subset) of the meta-agl/recipes-* folder structure, but populated with .bbappend-files to add security to the original packages? | 12:58 |
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| jeremiah | I think it should be named a little more clearly, i.e. meta-agl-smack or whatever since not everyone is going to use the specific MAC solution | 12:59 |
| kooltux | jbocklage, yep | 12:59 |
| jbocklage | ok. makes sense. then you can have my "+1". (had a different understanding before) | 13:00 |
| jobol | jeremiah, or features it inside meta-agl-security | 13:00 |
| jeremiah | jobol: Also an option, but what else is there in meta-agl-security? | 13:00 |
| jeremiah | And will there be different layers in the future? | 13:00 |
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| jeremiah | waltminer: Your cursor is still blinking in Gotomeeting | 13:07 |
| jeremiah | :-) | 13:07 |
| jeremiah | But I guess the meeting isn't over? | 13:07 |
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| waltminer | Agreed that we will start with meta-agl-security or (-smack) | 13:13 |
| waltminer | Stephane:emo 2016: we work for a demo of the project "Full Prototype IVI System" | 13:13 |
| waltminer | (https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/project-proto-ivi-system) to be shown at CES | 13:13 |
| waltminer | 2016. Where does this work could be pushed: | 13:14 |
| waltminer | - meta-agl-demo main branch, if reviews are fast enough ? | 13:14 |
| waltminer | - meta-agl-demo in new specific branch 'demo2016' with push rights to bypass | 13:14 |
| waltminer | reviews if not enough reviewers and/or reactivity ? | 13:14 |
| waltminer | - a new meta-agl-demo2016 ? | 13:14 |
| waltminer | Tanikawa: structure for building demo apps has not been determined | 13:14 |
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| jbocklage | thx! | 13:24 |
| waltminer | Decided to start with the existinhg structure AGL/DemoApps/appname. Can open up the permissions within the project easily enough | 13:25 |
| waltminer | Stephane will let Walt know what to name the app and it will be created in gerrit | 13:25 |
| waltminer | === End AGL Meeting === | 13:25 |
| waltminer | Thanks all | 13:25 |
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| c0dd3r5 | hey all! | 13:31 |
| c0dd3r5 | still trying to get my display on an NDis166 rotated, but not having much luck | 13:31 |
| c0dd3r5 | (this is with the AGL reference image) | 13:31 |
| c0dd3r5 | journalctl -b doesn't show any "weston" logging | 13:32 |
| c0dd3r5 | /run/user/500/weston.log doesn't include any display name | 13:32 |
| c0dd3r5 | and editing the "transform=" in /etc/xdg/weston/weston-user.ini doesn't make a difference | 13:32 |
| c0dd3r5 | (even though I am able to change, for example, the background colour successfully, so I know the file is being read) | 13:33 |
| c0dd3r5 | any thoughs? | 13:33 |
| CTtpollard | c0dd3r5: try jornalctl --user-unit weston | 13:33 |
| c0dd3r5 | -- Logs begin at Tue 2015-10-13 06:32:13 PDT, end at Tue 2015-10-13 06:34:09 PDT. -- | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | that's all | 13:34 |
| Tarnyko | c0dd3r5: what syntax are you using in weston.ini for the transform ? | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | for example | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | [output] | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | name=VGA1 | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | mode=1920x1280 | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | transform=flipped | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | icc_profile=/usr/share/color/icc/colord/Bluish.icc | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | but I've an [output | 13:34 |
| Tarnyko | c0dd3r5: you can also add "--log=mylog.log" to the weston command line | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | ] stanza for every possible display | 13:34 |
| c0dd3r5 | huh. found it | 13:35 |
| c0dd3r5 | it was in /tmp/genivi-weston.log | 13:35 |
| c0dd3r5 | because AGL reference platform? | 13:35 |
| c0dd3r5 | but I have a stanza for HDMI3, and it still doesn't change anything | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | [06:32:15.756] Output HDMI3, (connector 18, crtc 3) | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | [output] | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | name=HDMI3 | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | mode=1920x1280 | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | transform=270 | 13:36 |
| c0dd3r5 | icc_profile=/usr/share/color/icc/colord/Bluish.icc | 13:36 |
| Tarnyko | ok let me see... weston seems to recognize the "flipped-270" syntax ; tried that ? | 13:37 |
| c0dd3r5 | trying now | 13:38 |
| c0dd3r5 | nop | 13:41 |
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| c0dd3r5 | okay. no. got it | 13:43 |
| c0dd3r5 | so the file in /run/user/5000/weston.log is a red herring | 13:43 |
| c0dd3r5 | the log in /tmp/genivi-weston.log is the good one | 13:43 |
| c0dd3r5 | and is reading /etc/xdg/weston/weston-genivi.ini | 13:44 |
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| c0dd3r5 | and editing HDMI3 in there does "the right thing"(TM) | 13:44 |
| c0dd3r5 | thanks for your helps! | 13:44 |
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| Tarnyko | good :) | 13:45 |
| fredcadete | Fulup: how are your sound problems going? | 13:45 |
| jobol | fredcadete, fulup near to me is busy. We're thinking about a firefox integration issue | 13:46 |
| fredcadete | ok, I'll read the IRC manual and find if I can reset the topic | 13:47 |
| * jobol /help topic | 13:47 | |
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| *** fredcadete changes topic to "Welcome," | 13:48 | |
| *** fredcadete changes topic to ""Welcome," | 13:48 | |
| fredcadete | gaaah | 13:48 |
| *** fredcadete changes topic to ""Welcome" | 13:48 | |
| *** fredcadete changes topic to "Welcome,\" | 13:50 | |
| fredcadete | this is the saddest show ever | 13:50 |
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| paulsherwood | fredcadete: well done :) | 14:35 |
| fredcadete | it was harder than I expected | 14:36 |
| paulsherwood | software tends to be like that | 14:36 |
| paulsherwood | http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/10/06/defendants_should_be_able_to_inspect_software_code_used_in_forensics.html | 14:38 |
| CTtpollard | having license problems trying to build the raspi gdp image Amir provided to genivi-projects | 14:47 |
| fredcadete | as in, you need a lawyer, or is Yocto complaining about the format of LICENSE ? | 14:48 |
| CTtpollard | specifically python-pyqt not being compatible with GPLv2 & GPLv3 & GPL_EXCEPTION | 14:48 |
| CTtpollard | fredcadete: yocto thankfully | 14:48 |
| fredcadete | I haven't hit that one | 14:48 |
| fredcadete | what is yocto's output? | 14:48 |
| CTtpollard | one second | 14:49 |
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| CTtpollard | http://paste.baserock.org/usodubatox | 14:50 |
| CTtpollard | this doesn't happen if I use the genivi-demo-platform approach, so I'm missing something somewhere | 14:50 |
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| fredcadete | are you using the meta-ivi-demo approach then? | 14:51 |
| fredcadete | if you took that as a base, you probably have INCOMPATIBLE_LICENSE ?= "GPLv3" in your local.conf | 14:52 |
| fredcadete | which would trigger that | 14:52 |
| CTtpollard | let me hash that out | 14:53 |
| CTtpollard | we may have lift off... | 14:54 |
| CTtpollard | cheers fredcadete | 14:55 |
| fredcadete | no problem | 14:58 |
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| dbkaplun | Hey guys | 15:38 |
| CTtpollard | hi there | 15:38 |
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| dbkaplun | So I've tuned my engine with a 'canned' map that came from a tuner shop, but it seems to be running lean | 15:39 |
| dbkaplun | I have the map open in TunerPro, how do I make it run richer? This is my first experience with tuning so forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions | 15:40 |
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| De|ta | dbkaplun, this isn't the #automotive you're looking for :( | 15:46 |
| De|ta | (although you want to be looking to increase the injector pulse duration. I've not use TunerPro, just some stuff for Megasquirt years ago - that had an offset so you richen the whole map rather than just specfic cells) | 15:49 |
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| De|ta | Can I suggest that the topic give a clue as to what this channel is for? | 15:55 |
| myself | Or just rename the channel #automotivelinux :P | 15:56 |
| myself | because, yeah. | 15:56 |
| rjek | myself: But then we couldn't talk about QNX. | 15:56 |
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| kanupatar | paulsherwood: hello | 19:05 |
| kanupatar | Hi all | 19:05 |
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| murphy__ | is there an image for AGL or Tizen for raspberry pi? | 20:26 |
| murphy__ | maybe you guys can make some suggestions on what im trying to accomplish | 20:36 |
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| murphy__ | i want to build an IVI machine to start as a companion for my current stereo as aux in but able to replace it if needed. functionality should include bluetooth for ODBii and phone as well as standard media player as well as non-tradtional apps like rdl-sdr | 20:43 |
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