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| dl9pf | morning | 10:00 |
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| CTtpollard | hello | 10:00 |
| * CTtpollard is interested to see GDP on RasPi | 10:12 | |
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| fredcadete | * wishes he had time to spend on GDP on RPi | 11:37 |
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| paulsherwood | genivi tools to meeting here in 20 minutes | 12:39 |
| * paulsherwood is typing via voice | 12:40 | |
| * paulsherwood has broken his elbow | 12:40 | |
| * rjek expects hilarious typos | 12:40 | |
| rjek | paulsherwood: ! How did you manage that? | 12:40 |
| paulsherwood | http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=electric+scooter+self+balance&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=46635494199&hvpos=1t2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8676966448131567534&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_21cplafnzs_b | 12:41 |
| rjek | That looks like a very dangerous toy :) | 12:41 |
| paulsherwood | for tall overweight people, Yes | 12:41 |
| rjek | Actually, I've seen kids around on them | 12:42 |
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| rjek | I imagine being short is a significant advantage due to the centre of gravity | 12:42 |
| rjek | paulsherwood: Partial or complete fracture? | 12:43 |
| paulsherwood | en player | 12:43 |
| paulsherwood | unclear | 12:43 |
| paulsherwood | hilarious typo number one | 12:43 |
| rjek | :D | 12:43 |
| paulsherwood | table is typo apparently | 12:43 |
| paulsherwood | or vice versa | 12:44 |
| rjek | Well, let's hope it's only a partial as I could imagine a complete fracture could be troublesome to heal on a joint. | 12:44 |
| gmacario | paulsherwood: Sorry to hear about your injury :-( | 12:45 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: thanks, I'm still breathing :) | 12:47 |
| gmacario | I like your optimistic view of the world! | 12:47 |
| paulsherwood | it makes Coding a bit difficult | 12:47 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: thanks for adding to the agenda | 12:48 |
| gmacario | We do need wonderful code generators to let machine code for us :P | 12:48 |
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| * gunnarx is reconsidering the idea to get one of those hoverboard things... :-O | 12:58 | |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood: :-( | 12:58 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: don't do it | 12:58 |
| gmacario | paulsherwood: Do you mean "don't reconsider"? | 12:59 |
| rjek | Marty McFly was short. | 12:59 |
| paulsherwood | no | 12:59 |
| paulsherwood | == jeni V tools team meeting starts :) == | 13:00 |
| paulsherwood | Hi all | 13:00 |
| gunnarx | gmacario - always good with details | 13:00 |
| paulsherwood | I'm hoping others will type today | 13:00 |
| paulsherwood | any volunteers to lead? | 13:00 |
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| * paulsherwood notices he takes faster by voice, though | 13:00 | |
| gunnarx | I can type... | 13:01 |
| paulsherwood | TVM | 13:01 |
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| paulsherwood | shall we do the new agenda item first gmacario ? | 13:01 |
| gmacario | No problem, I have no urgency on that | 13:01 |
| paulsherwood | CommonAPI 3.1.x setup using gunnarx/franca_install_automation | 13:01 |
| gunnarx | Should I walk through an agenda Paul? | 13:02 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, you can start. | 13:02 |
| gmacario | OK so just wanted to get a confirmation about the proper working of CommonAPI C++ 3.1.3 setup using gunnarx/franca_install_automation | 13:02 |
| paulsherwood | what is the issue? | 13:03 |
| gmacario | I am successfully using Franca 0.10 tools using a slightly forked version of gunnarx/franca_install_automation to make it work on my corporate laptop using Windows 7 | 13:03 |
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| gunnarx | gmacario, OK, hang on let me check. | 13:03 |
| gmacario | Unfortunately gunnarx/franca_install_automation does not currently support Winows (yet), I have submitted a couple of PR to Gunnar to fix the master branch | 13:04 |
| gunnarx | I think the cpp_common_api branch should be working now | 13:04 |
| klausbirken | I did some tests a while ago… it worked then. But when I tested, the automation only installed the CommonAPI generators into Eclipse. It doesn't install all the runtime libs etc. | 13:04 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, sorry I've only seen the bug you found (missing URL for franca examples). Haven't looked into Windows issues. | 13:05 |
| klausbirken | I think this isn't the scope of the automation project, anyway. | 13:05 |
| gmacario | But then I realized that cpp_common_api relies on franca 0.9.1 and Eclipse luna | 13:05 |
| gmacario | Rather than franca 0.10 and Eclipse mars | 13:05 |
| gunnarx | klausbirken, runtime libs are on target, no? Or what use case are you considering_ | 13:05 |
| klausbirken | Compatibility map: https://github.com/franca/franca/wiki/Compatibility-Overview | 13:05 |
| gmacario | So questions (for Klaus and/or Manfred) are the following: | 13:05 |
| KlausUhl | Yes, that is true. The CommonAPI tools have not been ported/migrated to Franca > 0.9.1 (i.e. 0.10 in particular). | 13:05 |
| gmacario | 1. According to http://projects.genivi.org/commonapi/blog/2015/07/ipc-commonapi-313-released, CommonAPI C++ 3.1.3 requires Franca 0.9.1. Is 0.9.2 supported as well? | 13:06 |
| KlausUhl | No. | 13:06 |
| gmacario | 2. How about franca 0.10? If not, which release of CommonAPI C++ will support it? | 13:06 |
| klausbirken | I try to maintain a compatibility map on the Franca site. | 13:06 |
| KlausUhl | Franca 0.9.2 has broken some APIs. | 13:06 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, "which release ... will support it" -- ask on genivi-ipc. Not sure we have the CAPI devs here to answer? | 13:06 |
| paulsherwood | okay are there some actionsfrom this? | 13:07 |
| paulsherwood | for tools team | 13:07 |
| KlausUhl | gunnarx: Manfred should be able to answer that. But I am not sure if he is here. | 13:07 |
| gunnarx | OK, so to get some structure to the meeting again (helping paulsherwood), try finishing up the discussion within 1 minute... | 13:07 |
| paulsherwood | Manfred is not here today | 13:07 |
| klausbirken | gunnarx: You need an environment to build the code generated by CommonAPI. This includes installed dbus, CommonAPI libs/includes, etc. | 13:07 |
| gmacario | gunnarx: If you are interested in adding support to Windows 7 & Cygwin for gunnarx/franca_install_automation I may submit you a PR - or just pull from here: https://github.com/gmacario/franca_install_automation/tree/devel | 13:07 |
| paulsherwood | thanks gunnarx :) | 13:08 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, can you ask on genivi-ipc the remaining questions? | 13:08 |
| gmacario | Sure I can | 13:08 |
| gunnarx | Yes, thanks when I have time I will take a look. | 13:08 |
| klausbirken | gmacario: Check out the link to the compatibility matrix above… | 13:08 |
| gunnarx | -- next topic --- | 13:08 |
| * steve_l draws a rats nest that looks like the threads of this discussion | 13:08 | |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: ok rest of agenda from here https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/TT-minutes-20150928 | 13:08 |
| gunnarx | steve_l, it's a firehose, feel free to join in. Next topic coming up... | 13:09 |
| * paulsherwood sees some people have been updating conference | 13:09 | |
| gunnarx | -- Confluence progress -- | 13:09 |
| gunnarx | jreplogle here? No. | 13:10 |
| paulsherwood | Joel is not here was anything said at PMO | 13:10 |
| gunnarx | don't remember. let me check minutes | 13:10 |
| steve_l | recall Joel showed a new (final?) layout proposal | 13:10 |
| paulsherwood | https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/WIK4/Project+Clusters ? | 13:11 |
| gunnarx | Minutes state that we are doing: (full) migration from media wiki / triggering of wiki populating | 13:11 |
| paulsherwood | I think that will take some time | 13:11 |
| gunnarx | So, next step might be, assign an action for someone to go through the current wiki, contact maintainers (creators) of each page, in case they have not yet transferred and ask if they can. | 13:11 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, we don't have automated migration right? | 13:12 |
| paulsherwood | I don't know about you folks I've already spent too much time on this migration | 13:12 |
| paulsherwood | no not automated | 13:12 |
| gunnarx | not constructive ;) | 13:12 |
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| paulsherwood | me or the wiki? | 13:13 |
| gunnarx | OK, any takers for the action I outlined above? | 13:13 |
| paulsherwood | I can't do it this week I have to prepare for elce | 13:13 |
| gunnarx | No takers. Shall I ask Jeremiah for this? | 13:14 |
| paulsherwood | I think it should be Joel :) | 13:14 |
| gunnarx | I think you're right actually | 13:14 |
| gunnarx | OK, I'll ask Joel via email or tomorrow's meeting | 13:14 |
| gunnarx | Next topic... | 13:14 |
| gunnarx | --- Build Tools | 13:14 |
| gunnarx | --- | 13:15 |
| gunnarx | I'll give this one a few minutes and jump back to klausbirken comment. | 13:15 |
| gunnarx | manfred_, klausbirken : Klaus you mentioned common API runtime is needed. You seem to envision testing out the code on the host / SDK system rather than target then? | 13:15 |
| klausbirken | I do the build on the SDK system. But if you test it on target, you still have to run the build. | 13:16 |
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| gunnarx | manfred_, could you clarify what the SDK/host system needs? | 13:16 |
| gunnarx | (or klausbirken) | 13:17 |
| klausbirken | If the build does cross compile on the SDK system, the CommonAPI installation will be needed, too. | 13:17 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, while we wait, is CIAT under this topic or "Automated Testing"? | 13:17 |
| paulsherwood | I don't know | 13:17 |
| paulsherwood | previously automated testing I think | 13:17 |
| paulsherwood | but it involves building obviously | 13:18 |
| gunnarx | klausbirken, OK. But then all we need is really the full yocto SDK, it should cover CommonAPI as well as everything else cross compile relatred | 13:18 |
| gunnarx | do you agree? | 13:18 |
| klausbirken | Yes, agree. At least you need a lot of stuff which might be already included in yocto SDK. | 13:18 |
| gunnarx | OK, fair enough. I'd say it's on the roadmap. pull requests welcome :-) | 13:19 |
| gunnarx | Is nick manfred_ = Common API developer Manfred? | 13:19 |
| manfred_ | yes | 13:19 |
| gunnarx | Comments on the question? Anyway it's time to move on soon... | 13:19 |
| manfred_ | * just having a phone call and an irc chat in parallel | 13:19 |
| gunnarx | OK, then we move on | 13:19 |
| gunnarx | comments/questions? next topic in 10s | 13:20 |
| klausbirken | gunnarx: You mentioned roadmap.. | 13:20 |
| gunnarx | yes? :) | 13:20 |
| klausbirken | on the francax_installation_automation roadmap? Or yocto SDK? | 13:20 |
| gunnarx | franca automation - I mean it ought to install an SDK ideally | 13:20 |
| gunnarx | could be just someone else's project that is brought reused in this context... | 13:21 |
| klausbirken | Ok… this would be fine. I can provide a list of manual steps which I had to do in order to get a running build. | 13:21 |
| manfred_ | ok host system requirements are jdk 7, gcc > 4.7 etc as documented in the public confluence wiki | 13:21 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: why not a script to do the steps? | 13:21 |
| gunnarx | klausbirken, please send them to me. | 13:21 |
| klausbirken | gunnarx: ok. | 13:21 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, that's what I mean is the roadmap. Next topic? | 13:22 |
| gunnarx | -- CIAT -- | 13:22 |
| manfred_ | pleas have a look at build howto at https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=5472316 | 13:22 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, codethink have set up a baserock continuous build | 13:22 |
| paulsherwood | yup | 13:23 |
| gunnarx | anyone, feedback on codethink's initiative so far? | 13:23 |
| steve_l | good to see practical example | 13:24 |
| steve_l | not looked at details. | 13:24 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: I'm expecting you don't actually have time to work on this at code level? | 13:25 |
| steve_l | Looking forward wonder to what extent CIAT can be done largely under single approach for both baselines or if the different requirements will in effect require 2 systems | 13:25 |
| paulsherwood | I think that depends on bitbake contributors | 13:26 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, you're probably right. more concepts, like I did for the GENIVI project maybe. | 13:27 |
| paulsherwood | which genivi project? | 13:27 |
| gunnarx | not sure if now is the time to flesh out details - input from others on the approach for doing this with bitbake | 13:27 |
| gunnarx | s/GENIVI project/GDP project/ | 13:27 |
| CTtpollard | I'd like to see the genivi-demo-platform be handled by CIAT in some form | 13:28 |
| steve_l | not sure what is considered to be missing. bitbake build is known and mirroring has been described. Are we saying we need ppl to implement yocto side? | 13:28 |
| paulsherwood | it already is | 13:28 |
| paulsherwood | the baserock version | 13:29 |
| paulsherwood | steve_l: yes | 13:29 |
| CTtpollard | paulsherwood: I was referring to the sub modules yocto repo | 13:29 |
| paulsherwood | CTtpollard: that's what you meant that you said :) | 13:29 |
| gunnarx | CTtpollard, absolutely, that's a goal. Anyone have input on this? | 13:30 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, should we defer a longer discussion to after the meeting so we can get through the agenda? | 13:30 |
| gunnarx | (if you have time) | 13:30 |
| paulsherwood | sure | 13:30 |
| paulsherwood | maybe a voice call :) | 13:30 |
| gunnarx | OK, when meeting ends we repeat / flesh out the CIAT details. Yes a telephone conference not a bad idea maybe. | 13:31 |
| gunnarx | Next topic in 10s.... | 13:31 |
| gunnarx | 3,2,1... | 13:31 |
| gunnarx | -- UML modeling -- | 13:31 |
| klausbirken | No major news from Franca, preparation for Eclipse-migration ongoing. | 13:32 |
| gunnarx | OK thanks. Don't remember if we had any actions here. The floor is open for anyone to jump in. | 13:32 |
| klausbirken | Any news on EA, Franca validation, CommonAPI, ...? | 13:32 |
| gunnarx | manfred_ maybe? | 13:32 |
| manfred_ | approval is at my boss... | 13:33 |
| gunnarx | ETA? | 13:33 |
| manfred_ | i would expect it a quick one | 13:33 |
| pavelk | approval for what? | 13:34 |
| manfred_ | the Franca Validator patches, Franca UML MDG and some more JScripts for EA | 13:34 |
| pavelk | Ah, ok, thanks for the clarification | 13:35 |
| gunnarx | OK, sounds interesting. Then we'll wait with anticipation. Next topic? | 13:35 |
| gunnarx | Any more on UML,... 3,2,1... | 13:35 |
| gunnarx | --- Debugging and Analysis --- | 13:35 |
| gunnarx | Again not sure if we have open actions. paulsherwood the trello cards? | 13:36 |
| paulsherwood | I didn't copy them so far I don't think so | 13:36 |
| gunnarx | ok | 13:36 |
| paulsherwood | this topic wasn't on the agenda when we used trello | 13:36 |
| paulsherwood | but it's in the charter | 13:36 |
| gunnarx | The only thing I can share is similar to before, I've been toying with the idea of some tools going into the SDK image, e.g. static analysis and such... | 13:37 |
| paulsherwood | makes sense | 13:37 |
| gunnarx | klausbirken, manfred_, and others if you have any good eclipse setup to share - it's just adding it to the automated setup. Any eclipse package can be added... | 13:37 |
| gunnarx | Obviously, don't wait for me to implement it all - you will wait too long. Contributions welcome :) | 13:38 |
| gunnarx | Follow gmacario's example, try it and send bug reports and pull requests... | 13:38 |
| klausbirken | Yes, I already provided pull reqs for this and will do that again in future (when there is something which should be in there). | 13:38 |
| gunnarx | OK, moving on? | 13:38 |
| gunnarx | --- - Automated Testing - --- | 13:39 |
| paulsherwood | CIAT is now doing this | 13:39 |
| gunnarx | I think action, or report lies with Jeremiah? | 13:40 |
| paulsherwood | so next step could be to integrate Jeremiahs template for tests | 13:40 |
| gunnarx | Great, what tests are being run (summary)? | 13:40 |
| steve_l | Think Jeremiah has been looking more towards AGL infra due to lack of Yocto bring up in TT | 13:40 |
| gunnarx | I guess that's visible somewhere | 13:40 |
| gunnarx | the tests that run I mean | 13:40 |
| paulsherwood | just basic boot tests | 13:40 |
| paulsherwood | no framework yet | 13:40 |
| paulsherwood | but the idea is multiple frameworks iirc | 13:41 |
| gunnarx | steve_l, can you define lack of Yocto bring up in TT? | 13:41 |
| steve_l | no Yocto based CIAT | 13:41 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, OK, got it. Still quite useful. | 13:41 |
| paulsherwood | steve_l: AGL doesn't have one either | 13:41 |
| gunnarx | Alright, all topics boil down to the same thing :) | 13:42 |
| steve_l | the only work seems to be occuring on Baserock side | 13:42 |
| paulsherwood | yet | 13:42 |
| steve_l | have not looked at it but ML traffic suggests otherwise | 13:42 |
| paulsherwood | the work is generic it's only the build tooling that baserock-only so far iiuc | 13:42 |
| steve_l | good to hear | 13:42 |
| gunnarx | we all agree to share solutions in this area too... | 13:43 |
| gunnarx | If some small race or competition leads to solutions appearing faster, that's great. But we should of course share the tech. | 13:43 |
| paulsherwood | AGL has a jenkins now for ci, not sure about testing sofar | 13:43 |
| gunnarx | yup | 13:43 |
| paulsherwood | I don't want to use Jenkins again | 13:43 |
| paulsherwood | myself :) | 13:43 |
| gunnarx | OK, I'm ready to move on? | 13:43 |
| paulsherwood | yup | 13:43 |
| gunnarx | I feel the same for Gerrit. I really want to use the same tech as AGL, yet I also don't really like the feel of Gerrit : | 13:44 |
| gunnarx | :( | 13:45 |
| paulsherwood | no realistic alternative today | 13:45 |
| paulsherwood | but soon... :) | 13:45 |
| gunnarx | I smell another deferred discussion? :) | 13:45 |
| gunnarx | Moving on? | 13:45 |
| paulsherwood | commandline tools for Gerrit are okay | 13:45 |
| paulsherwood | ok | 13:45 |
| gunnarx | Next topic is Source Mirroring, I propose to defer it to the post-meeting discussion. | 13:46 |
| paulsherwood | okay | 13:46 |
| gunnarx | That's the final topic. franca_install_automation was covered. | 13:46 |
| gunnarx | AOB? | 13:46 |
| paulsherwood | just a note ELCE is next week... See you folks there? | 13:47 |
| paulsherwood | tools meeting may not happen | 13:47 |
| gunnarx | Yeah, I missed, waiting for paulsherwood to write up on code review tools :) (or maybe it'll be dictation now... :-/ ) | 13:47 |
| gunnarx | OK, maybe TT postponed. I won't be at ELCE though. It sucks I know :( | 13:48 |
| gunnarx | Any other other business? | 13:48 |
| paulsherwood | not for me | 13:48 |
| steve_l | no | 13:48 |
| gunnarx | OK, quick backtrack to confluence as last topic, joelreplogle joined. | 13:48 |
| paulsherwood | joelreplogle: any news on confluence? | 13:49 |
| gunnarx | joelreplogle: Could we (you?) go through the old Wiki and help encourage each page to be transferred? | 13:49 |
| gunnarx | joelreplogle, confirm that we have no automatic transfer? | 13:49 |
| gunnarx | meeting ends in ... | 13:50 |
| gunnarx | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting End == | 13:51 |
| paulsherwood | thank you very much for leading, gunnarx | 13:51 |
| gunnarx | did my best | 13:51 |
| paulsherwood | you did well | 13:51 |
| gunnarx | OK, back to normal irc discipline. meaning none :) | 13:51 |
| paulsherwood | who wants to do a voicecall on ciat now? | 13:51 |
| gunnarx | Are you really speaking into speech control now? | 13:51 |
| gunnarx | speech recognition? | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | yes in general some typing | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | jeni V | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | for example | 13:52 |
| gunnarx | lol | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | there must be a trick to spell out words | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | but I haven't found it yet I started this 10 minutes before the meeting | 13:52 |
| gunnarx | Jeni V is sexy as hell. | 13:52 |
| gunnarx | :D | 13:52 |
| paulsherwood | lol | 13:53 |
| gunnarx | OK, so ciat then | 13:53 |
| gunnarx | hope some others online / listening / joining | 13:53 |
| paulsherwood | is it just you and me? | 13:53 |
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| gunnarx | don't know | 13:53 |
| steve_l | can join but don't have hours for it | 13:53 |
| paulsherwood | normal number webEx? | 13:54 |
| gunnarx | great steve_l | 13:54 |
| paulsherwood | I don't have hours either | 13:54 |
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| gunnarx | so you prefer a voice call? | 13:54 |
| steve_l | suspect it would be quicker | 13:55 |
| steve_l | if more insular | 13:55 |
| paulsherwood | hmmm ... the code I have doesn't work | 13:55 |
| gunnarx | it's OK with me, didn't want to now shut out any interested people on #automotive, but since they are not engaging anyhow... | 13:56 |
| paulsherwood | anyone have a conf line we can use? | 13:56 |
| steve_l | I can see if the BIT one will open | 13:56 |
| steve_l | 1 sec.. | 13:56 |
| gunnarx | OK we'll have to do it this way. GENIVI members who want to join look up the codes for the GENIVI BIT on internal Wiki and dial in? | 13:56 |
| paulsherwood | we can document the discussion onlist after | 13:57 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, yup | 13:57 |
| steve_l | BIT is open for business | 13:58 |
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| Tarnyko1 | Hi | 14:24 |
| Tarnyko1 | just got IVI-Shell running on the "agl-demo-platform" image ; sent a mail to have your feedback (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/automotive-discussions/2015-September/000871.html) | 14:25 |
| fredcadete | Tarnyko1: I suppose that the weston version in AGL is weston 1.5, and you backported the ivi-shell from master | 14:30 |
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| fredcadete | that's great work | 14:31 |
| Tarnyko1 | fredcadete: hi fred, yes that's what I did | 14:31 |
| fredcadete | in the last few months there were plenty of corrections in ivi-shell so I think you did the write thing in taking the newest version | 14:33 |
| Tarnyko1 | thought we would need it at some point ; I'd happily finish the backport to eradicate all bugs :) | 14:33 |
| Tarnyko1 | ahah good to know ! | 14:33 |
| Tarnyko1 | yes there are older versions, but their API is really deprecated, didn't seem to go in the right direction | 14:33 |
| fredcadete | there could be additional work to make it possible to use some version of wayland-ivi-extension with that exact combo of weston core and ivi-shell | 14:34 |
| fredcadete | but it is generally function renaming and such | 14:35 |
| Tarnyko1 | yes, I'll try to grab the project at GENIVI and see how it works ; less familiar with this beast | 14:36 |
| fredcadete | Tarnyko1: could you do a big favor and forward that mail to genivi-ivi-layer-management@lists.genivi.org ? It can get the discussion started (if that's what you want right now :) | 14:36 |
| Tarnyko1 | haha good idea :) doing this. PS : will try to post a definitive patch in Gerrit tomorrow. | 14:37 |
| fredcadete | in GENIVI it is likely there will be the same necessity for such an update because Renesas boards are also important and have weston 1.5 | 14:37 |
| fredcadete | thanks a lot | 14:38 |
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| Tarnyko1 | you're welcome | 14:39 |
| radiofree | do renesas patch weston? | 14:40 |
| radiofree | has anyone tried weston 1.8/1.9 on one of those boards? | 14:40 |
| fredcadete | radiofree: yes, with optimizations for video output if I understand correctly | 14:40 |
| radiofree | how invasive are the changes? it might be easy to forward port them | 14:41 |
| fredcadete | not me, it should work the same for normal applications, maybe slower on video decoding | 14:41 |
| Tarnyko1 | yes, somewhat, but my patch isn't impacted ; building 1.9 doesn't work for kernel-related reasons (I have an experimental branch here : https://github.com/iotbzh/meta-renesas/tree/yocto19beta) | 14:41 |
| radiofree | for example a patch i made for the jetson has, thus-far, just been a matter of rebasing on top of the latest release tree | 14:41 |
| Tarnyko1 | didn't try to update just Weston and not the whole stack, though | 14:42 |
| radiofree | yeah i would be shocked if weston didn't build for kernel-related reasons | 14:42 |
| Tarnyko1 | hehe :) I guess the critical software is libdrm/mesa, then, and you'll end up in framebuffer mode if something goes wrong | 14:44 |
| fredcadete | radiofree: yes, that may be the saner approach | 14:44 |
| fredcadete | it may be as simple as that | 14:44 |
| fredcadete | but I actually have no idea until I try | 14:44 |
| fredcadete | and no time to try | 14:44 |
| fredcadete | actually, no time for IRC either | 14:44 |
| radiofree | Tarnyko1: i thought the renesas boards use proprietary blobs | 14:47 |
| Tarnyko1 | radiofree: they do, the module is called "pvrsvrkm" on koelsch/porter | 14:48 |
| Tarnyko1 | radiofree: it provies DRM capabilities, but does not seem mandatory from framebuffer like it is on other boards | 14:49 |
| Tarnyko1 | *provides | 14:49 |
| fredcadete | there are blobs for the implementation of egl and gles, from powervr | 14:54 |
| fredcadete | the patches in weston itself are open, and an upgraded weston could work because afaik the egl interface did not change between 1.5 and 1.9 | 14:55 |
| Tarnyko1 | ho yes you're right, the "real" libEGL.so/libGLESv2 are proprietary and take precedence on the Mesa ones | 14:55 |
| fredcadete | steve_l probably knows better, though | 14:56 |
| Tarnyko1 | pretty sure that Weston 1.9.0 could work, because it still runs with Mesa 9.2.5 on an old desktop :) | 14:56 |
| fredcadete | gotta go, see you tomorrow | 14:56 |
| Tarnyko1 | bye ! | 14:56 |
| Tarnyko1 | ps : I have some sort of flickering on the HDMI port of my Koelsch board, anyone experiences the same ? | 14:58 |
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| jlrmagnus | Morning | 15:27 |
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| steve_l | The IVI-Extension issue is complicated. The IVI-Extension work that has been done in recent times was really as an upstream project outside the BIT and SAT processes. | 15:30 |
| steve_l | The LM team have wanted to update compliance for the last two Genivi versions but have missed the deadlines. | 15:30 |
| steve_l | This has left us with a highly changed upstream IVI-Extension and an integration issue. | 15:30 |
| steve_l | Both the Genivi 7 and 8 Yocto Baselines stayed with Weston 1.5.0. | 15:31 |
| steve_l | Even for the recent Kronos 9.0 baselines releases the latest IVI-Extension could not be integrated because it breaks backwards compatability. So the last IVI-Extension to not break it, which is v1.3.0, was used. | 15:31 |
| steve_l | On the Renesas side I have been waiting and asking for a clear IVI-Extension/Weston roadmap to emerge so I could set the internal roadmap. | 15:32 |
| steve_l | That has taken far longer than I anticapted and actually is still not clear today. | 15:32 |
| steve_l | Because of the compliance issue we currently have a Kronos 9 Yocto Baseline with Weston 1.6.0 and IVI-Extension 1.3.0, with an upstream reference implementation on Weston 1.8.0 and IVI-Extension 1.4.9/1.5.0. Which to choose.. | 15:33 |
| steve_l | GDP can choose to use a later extension version but then it will no longer be compliant which will cause its own issues. | 15:33 |
| steve_l | Realistically true alignment between IVI-Extension and the baselines and therefore GDP will not take place until Genivi 10 (Snow) at the earliest. | 15:33 |
| steve_l | BIT has been talking to them about this and they have a goal of updating compliance for Genivi 10. | 15:33 |
| steve_l | So that is why we find ourselves where we are. | 15:34 |
| steve_l | In hindsight I wish I had taken a best guess.. we're talking internally about the roadmap. I expect to update to Weston 1.9.0 but there is no schedule to share. | 15:34 |
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| steve_l | Personally I would like to see the LM team and the baseline maintainers agree a roadmap for a year in advance. | 15:36 |
| steve_l | Sorry for all the text :) | 15:37 |
| CTtpollard | steve_l: just catching up now | 15:38 |
| CTtpollard | that's a more verbose explanation of the scenario as I see it | 15:45 |
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| steve_l | I have no idea why I called Genivi 10 Snow it's actually Leviathan | 15:54 |
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| jeremiah | dl9pf: Do you have plans to set up source mirror for Yocto sources for AGL? | 16:04 |
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| ToxicGumbo-work | A comment I made here yesterday got lost within those of Guest*; does https://jazz.automotivelinux.org/ work for others here? | 16:41 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | When I attempt to log in for the first time, I get a Tomcat 403 error | 16:41 |
| jeremiah | ToxicGumbo-work: It works for me. | 16:41 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Yet, refreshing the page returns to the error (meaning my credentials were taken) | 16:42 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Okay, thanks. | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Or at least, I'm not getting a 4033 . . . | 16:42 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | The wording suggests it works for anyone with a universal AGL account | 16:42 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | But it seems to be breaking at the DOOR level | 16:42 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Thanks | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | Indeed, that is my assumption too | 16:42 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Just checking | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | I get the 403 too | 16:42 |
| jeremiah | after I try to login. | 16:43 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Oddly, I just received this error for the first time: "user ID cannot connect to the repository because it is not assigned to a repository group that has permissions to access the repository." | 16:43 |
| jeremiah | hmm | 16:45 |
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| ToxicGumbo-work | It always shows up now, didn't before. Ironic. | 16:45 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | ^ the error | 16:45 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Is this the best place to comment about such issues are is it better to open a ticket? | 16:45 |
| jeremiah | ToxicGumbo-work: I get this: Access to the requested resource has been denied | 16:46 |
| jeremiah | I'm using the same user passwd combo that I use for Gerrit, Jira, wiki, etc. | 16:46 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | That was what I saw, too, up to this morning. | 16:46 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Same here re: account | 16:46 |
| jeremiah | ToxicGumbo-work: Have you ever been able to login? | 16:47 |
| jeremiah | I don't think I've ever tried. | 16:47 |
| jeremiah | There are some infrastructure folks here sometimes, but perhaps its best to open a ticket in the Jira. | 16:47 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | No. Just tried yesterday. | 16:47 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Thanks | 16:47 |
| jeremiah | np | 16:47 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Thanks again, jeremiah. I called you out in the ticket "Access denied (403) to DOORS NG server" | 17:02 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-61 | 17:02 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Priority Major since it's an AGL resource even if not heavily utilized | 17:03 |
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| jeremiah | ToxicGumbo-work: Make sense, thanks for filing the bug | 18:01 |
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| ToxicGumbo-work | jlrmagnus: The V2X board interacts with RVI in what appears to be a very solid way. Would this board be a more cost-effective and lean solution for RVI development as opposed to Renesas boards? Is there a need for it to be GENIVI compliant? | 20:10 |
| jlrmagnus | I have mentioned to Philippe that we have a V2X board, and he was open to discussing integrating it into Genivi. | 20:11 |
| jlrmagnus | I haven't explored the Renesas board, so I can't compare it vs. a V2X - RasPi2 combo. | 20:12 |
| jlrmagnus | The purpose of the board is, as is stated in the presentation, to bring entrepreneurs and grassroots developers closer to the OEM environment. | 20:13 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Ah, I had the impression that much of the development used the Renesas M2 boards because they had been deemed "standards compliant" (even though those standards are still in the works). | 20:13 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Exactly…and I appreciate that. | 20:13 |
| ToxicGumbo-work | Most of the attention here is to get FreeEMS functioning in very safe and solid manner with testing. My interest would be to offer tie-ins (interaction & visualization) and I really like what you're doing. | 20:13 |
| jlrmagnus | V2XBoard is a sideline project, although we would be opportunistic on integrating i with other work. | 20:13 |
| jlrmagnus | For those who wonder: https://github.com/PDXostc/rvi_v2x_board/blob/master/Doc/V2X%20board.pdf | 20:13 |
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