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Figure | jeremiah: parellization doesn't always mean faster. Initializing cores can take quite a much time. from my experience when tinkering with imx6 I was able to get ~3sec boot time from cold boot to qt5 qml ui application running from user space | 08:34 |
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Figure | jeremiah: I'm not saying that systemd is bad I'm just saying that when creating agl the architecture should be designed from ground up to start with screen on as soon as possible and only after that start initializing rest of the services | 08:35 |
Figure | e.g. genivi is really really slow to start and has huge root image footprint | 08:35 |
Figure | in general so does yocto and if you try to build minimal image it tends to draw in extra libraries that are not really required | 08:36 |
Figure | jeremiah: also what you mean by everything in 1 sec? | 08:36 |
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Figure | jeremiah: and sure I've seen the camera demos also using framebuffer but that's still long way from actual application ui it's just camera video nothing more. With open gl running you can already create your hmi or instrument cluster etc | 08:38 |
Figure | btw any of you guys coming to Qt World Summit 2015 in Berlin? | 08:40 |
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fredcadete | I have noticed that the GDP is installing libgbm-dev into the target | 11:47 |
fredcadete | and I imagine it's because wayland will not start up correctly if it's not there | 11:47 |
fredcadete | I have tracked the root cause to libgbm and proposed a patch to the maintainer: https://github.com/fredcadete/libgbm/commit/97b0553b7c6d97c2656c2292fe31517bf4302d75 | 11:48 |
fredcadete | with this patch in libgbm it should not be necessary anymore to install libgbm-dev | 11:48 |
CTtpollard | fredcadete: cool :) | 11:59 |
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Guest37108 | nick steve_l | 14:02 |
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CTtpollard | hi steve_l | 14:03 |
steve_l | howdy | 14:04 |
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paulsherwood | == AGL Layer Design Meeting started == | 14:08 |
paulsherwood | Jenkins is now running | 14:08 |
steve_l | woohoo :) | 14:08 |
paulsherwood | Qt patch has been rejected because it's human instructions, not recipe | 14:08 |
paulsherwood | we recommend Tanikawa post his Qt5 patch direct to gerrit | 14:09 |
paulsherwood | Ned has joined the meeting | 14:09 |
paulsherwood | others are welcome to join too https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/577595557 | 14:10 |
paulsherwood | we suggest Tanikawa mentions Jens contribution to the patch in the commit message | 14:12 |
paulsherwood | discussion about package group design based on the discussion at AMM documented in this thread...http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/automotive-discussions/2015-September/000776.html | 14:16 |
paulsherwood | action on Tanikawa to document based on Rudi's comments | 14:17 |
paulsherwood | at AMM there was discussion about staying close to poky versions | 14:18 |
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paulsherwood | Tanikawa suggests it may be best to learn from GENIVI how best to organise to track poky | 14:21 |
paulsherwood | Ned suggests he can discuss this with new WR meta-ivi maintainer and comment by end of this week | 14:22 |
paulsherwood | question is whether AGL explicitly specifies versions, or adopts versions from poky | 14:23 |
paulsherwood | Ned suggests best-practice approach depends on situation. for example some components move to gplv3, maybe we need to stay with a preferred gplv2 version | 14:24 |
paulsherwood | Tanikawa notes we currently have two gstreamer versions | 14:25 |
paulsherwood | even with poky 1.7 we use gstreamer 1.23 | 14:25 |
paulsherwood | steve_l: suggests best practice is not to use versions in bb.appends | 14:27 |
paulsherwood | paulsherwood asks if we are expecting to snapshot poky at release times, or take ongoing changes | 14:29 |
paulsherwood | waltminer says we shoudl choose a release, until decision to move to next version | 14:29 |
paulsherwood | some discussion about GENIVI's approach on this. steve_l mentions that GENIVI9 will be 1.8, for example - Ned says normal approach is to consider at the time (every six months), pick current stable version | 14:31 |
paulsherwood | Ned asks what is the proposal for AGL cadence | 14:33 |
paulsherwood | waltminer thinks case-by-case basis, depending on silicon vendor recommendations | 14:34 |
paulsherwood | and other ecosystem considerations | 14:34 |
paulsherwood | steve_l: it would be hard for silicon partners to track every yocto release | 14:35 |
radiofree | what Qt patch would that be? | 14:38 |
paulsherwood | paulsherwood raises Fulup ar Foll's question from last week about governance for decisions | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | (eg how is cadence decision to be taken) | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | waltminer needs to consider this further | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | paulsherwood raises question of what happened to minutes for SAT meetings (as raised by ToxicGumbo-work yesterday) | 14:40 |
paulsherwood | waltminer says he'll reply to Eugene's question on list | 14:41 |
paulsherwood | 16:48 < ToxicGumbo-work> Anyone know why the AGL SAT meeting minutes stop in February? No more minute taking or no meetings? | 14:41 |
paulsherwood | 16:48 < ToxicGumbo-work> https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-sat-meetings | 14:41 |
paulsherwood | Tanikawa raises systemd question - he has made a systemd patch - when should ths go to gerrit? | 14:44 |
paulsherwood | http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/automotive-discussions/2015-September/000789.html | 14:47 |
paulsherwood | we agreed to seek formal feedback on this question on the list. hence above email. systemd haters do your worst! :) | 14:47 |
Figure | paulsherwood: definately systemd over systemv | 14:48 |
paulsherwood | Figure: on list please :) | 14:48 |
Figure | but I would say that maybe busybox could be optional or something like that | 14:48 |
paulsherwood | some further discussion about repositories | 14:50 |
paulsherwood | - where does code for demo applications go? | 14:52 |
paulsherwood | (one project or multiple projects) | 14:52 |
waltminer | use AGL/DemoApps/AppName | 14:53 |
Figure | waltminer: +1 | 14:53 |
* paulsherwood has a hard cut-off on the hour, fwiw | 14:53 | |
paulsherwood | waltminer is a good timekeeper | 14:54 |
steve_l | hmm lost audio in the gotomeeting. As it's almost time I'm dropping out. Interesting to hear how things are going on AGL side. | 14:55 |
* waltminer thanks paulsherwood for keeping minutes | 14:58 | |
waltminer | === AGL Layer Design Meeting Ended === | 14:58 |
steve_l | Re the minute "it would be hard for silicon partners to track every yocto release" I would say it would be hard to trace every Yocto release if *all* upgrades in the associated poky meta would also need to be supported | 15:01 |
steve_l | at least those that touch h/w. | 15:01 |
radiofree | what was the patch for qt? | 15:05 |
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paulsherwood | radiofree: instructions for qt integration into agl | 15:59 |
paulsherwood | it was provided as instructions in the readme, rather than an actual recipe | 16:00 |
paulsherwood | radiofree: https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/#/c/4065/ | 16:02 |
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