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| paulsherwood | flatmush: is there a cache server involved in your ci? if so, would a re-run be faster? | 09:02 |
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| paulsherwood | also maybe we can adjust the timeout | 09:03 |
| paulsherwood | or create a dedicated runner for this | 09:03 |
| flatmush | should be the same as definitions, so probably | 09:04 |
| flatmush | but still seems wrong for the CI to timeout in less than the time a full rebuild takes | 09:05 |
| flatmush | not very automated | 09:05 |
| flatmush | Ah, we're not using the cache, I guess I could nag ironfoot for the key | 09:22 |
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| ironfoot | yes you could, but I believe it wasn't even working in baserock/definintions.git so I'm not sure it will speed things up | 09:32 |
| ironfoot | let's give it a try though | 09:33 |
| flatmush | STANDUP! Order: flatmush, noisecell, willbarnard | 10:09 |
| flatmush | ## Ben Brewer (flatmush) | 10:09 |
| flatmush | * Done | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Make minimal distro work public | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Try to get CI working | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Discussion about bootstrapping | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Work on minimal distro | 10:09 |
| flatmush | * Doing | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Enable CI caching | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Discussion about bootstrapping compilers | 10:09 |
| flatmush | - Attempt to replace glibc with musl | 10:09 |
| flatmush | ## Francisco Redondo Marchena (noisecell) | 10:09 |
| noisecell | * Done | 10:09 |
| noisecell | - Update package dependencies to use build and runtime dependencies wisely | 10:09 |
| noisecell | * Doing | 10:09 |
| noisecell | - Trim the system and update packages to latest versions. | 10:09 |
| noisecell | - Update packages to latests stable versions | 10:09 |
| noisecell | ## Will Barnard (willbarnard) | 10:09 |
| willbarnard | * Doing | 10:10 |
| willbarnard | - Analyzing certification requirements for ISO 26262/IEC 61508 | 10:10 |
| willbarnard | - Planning for functional safety workshop | 10:10 |
| flatmush | - Improving level of detail on standup notes. | 10:10 |
| flatmush | ## Discussion | 10:10 |
| ironfoot | o/ | 10:10 |
| noisecell | _o_ | 10:11 |
| flatmush | ironfoot? | 10:11 |
| ironfoot | regarding musl, there was a previous attempt done in baserock | 10:11 |
| ironfoot | and i think a finished one | 10:11 |
| flatmush | yes, by rdale | 10:11 |
| ironfoot | _o_ | 10:11 |
| flatmush | I'm looking at that, it doesn't directly work | 10:11 |
| flatmush | probably did at the time | 10:11 |
| flatmush | STANDUP ENDS! | 10:11 |
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| paulsherwood | https://twitter.com/devcurmudgeon/status/1020270488398987264 | 11:37 |
| ltu | I may send that to the C Safety and Security Study Group | 11:49 |
| ltu | We had a debate back when it first started out over whether to make the (hopefully) resulting standard free or not | 11:50 |
| ltu | David A Wheeler pointed out that the only way to make a standard relevant was to make it free. | 11:51 |
| paulsherwood | ltu: it's about time i wrote to that group, in any case | 12:28 |
| paulsherwood | but by all means send it :) | 12:29 |
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| persia | ETSI has a requirement to charge for standards baked in to the structure of the organisation. One trick that is used by a number of ETSI working groups is to publish a) the source of the standard (for review), b) a set of requirements for implementation of the standard (different language to standard, but ideally same content), and c) an open source reference implementation. | 14:56 |
| persia | Those groups don't end up seeing much revenue, but they do seem to be leading with adoption, despite the standard costing money. | 14:56 |
| persia | (in that implementing organisations purchase one copy and nobody ever reads that copy: it's just for the audit trail) | 14:56 |
| * paulsherwood likes the sound of that :) | 15:00 | |
| persia | At least for (a), there are an increasing number of standards organisations that are increasing transparency and opportunity for public comment, often under an "open source" initiative. There were a few people from standards organsiations (or organisations providing services to standards organisations) at OSCON this year, although I don't want to speak in advance of anyone's announcement. | 15:11 |
| persia | (b) and (c) require a lot more commitment by members of the relevant working group for the standard in question, rather than being something that can be required by policy. | 15:12 |
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