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| paulwaters_ | standup in 12 minutes | 09:33 |
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| Kinnison | Pardon? | 09:40 |
| traveltissues | o/ | 09:41 |
| paulwaters_ | Kinnison, this is where we are holding standups for the Trustable Distros work | 09:41 |
| Kinnison | Ooooh interesting | 09:42 |
| Kinnison | Mind if I observe? | 09:42 |
| paulwaters_ | Kinnison, please do :) | 09:42 |
| flatmush | STANDUP! Order: flatmush, noisecell, willbarnard | 09:45 |
| flatmush | ## Ben Brewer (flatmush) | 09:45 |
| flatmush | * Done | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Initial discussions | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Reading trustable documentation | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Initial research into BuildStream, BuildRoot and mkroot | 09:45 |
| flatmush | * Doing | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Further research into BuildStream, etc. | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Attempt to build minimal linux image | 09:45 |
| flatmush | - Work with fran on Aarch64 image building/bootstrapping. | 09:45 |
| flatmush | ## Francisco Redondo Marchena (noisecell) | 09:45 |
| noisecell | * Done | 09:45 |
| noisecell | - Kick off meeting | 09:45 |
| noisecell | * Doing | 09:45 |
| noisecell | - Investigate aarch64 bootstrap using buildstream | 09:45 |
| noisecell | - So far I've cross-built stage2 and get the source bundle for stage3 | 09:45 |
| noisecell | but when trying to build natively stage3 inside of stage2 chroot in the | 09:45 |
| noisecell | board the component build scripts fail. | 09:45 |
| noisecell | Looking of how these scripts are generated (they are templates | 09:45 |
| noisecell | which are filled with commands on buildstream build time) | 09:45 |
| noisecell | For reference, Im using the instructions given in: | 09:45 |
| noisecell | http://wiki.baserock.org/guides/how-to-cross-bootstrap/ | 09:45 |
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| flatmush | ## Will Barnard (willbarnard) | 09:46 |
| willbarnard | * Doing | 09:46 |
| willbarnard | * Initiating discussions with accredited certification organizations | 09:46 |
| willbarnard | * Next | 09:46 |
| willbarnard | * Attend functional safety seminar on Friday | 09:46 |
| flatmush | ## Discussion | 09:46 |
| flatmush | Any points to raise? | 09:46 |
| noisecell | _o_ | 09:47 |
| paulwaters_ | _o_ | 09:47 |
| willbarnard | _o_ | 09:47 |
| flatmush | I don't know what this underscore 'o' nonsense is, but I'll assume that means no | 09:47 |
| flatmush | STANDUP ENDS! | 09:47 |
| paulwaters_ | ta flatmush :) | 09:47 |
| noisecell | thanks flatmush | 09:47 |
| Kinnison | flatmush: On the assumption that you're not being disingenuous -- o/ "raised hand" _o_ "hands down" | 09:48 |
| Kinnison | flatmush: also relevant: \o/ "yay" and /o\ "oh noes!" | 09:48 |
| persia | \o is also sometimes used for "raised hand" | 09:55 |
| flatmush | maybe this belongs in the wiki? | 10:00 |
| paulwaters_ | flatmush, the standup log - yes please | 10:03 |
| flatmush | Do we need to? It's already logged | 10:03 |
| flatmush | https://irclogs.baserock.org/trustable/ | 10:04 |
| paulwaters_ | ah ok - that should be fine then I guess | 10:09 |
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| persia | Thinking about the block of meeting earlier, and the discussions had about trustable before, has there been clear documentation of t.intent with appropriate attribution and evidence of approvals? | 11:50 |
| persia | Has that been analysed to develop t.requirements? | 11:50 |
| persia | If not, I suspect either a) all the work described as being done above will need to be redone or b) the result won't match the emerging definition of "trustable". | 11:51 |
| persia | paulwaters: That might be most actively interesting to you, as the person who appears to have brought the meeting to this channel. | 11:51 |
| paulsherwood | paulwaters_: need to update the contributors list if others are participating | 12:09 |
| paulsherwood | paulwaters_: and pls do take note of persia's comments... for various reasons this seems to be the only place he can land them | 12:09 |
| * paulsherwood would prefer that the standup notes go to the trustable distros wiki also please | 12:11 | |
| paulsherwood | irclogs.baserock.org has been reliable for some years, but it's not backed up aiui and i'd hate to see the content disappear | 12:12 |
| paulwaters_ | paulsherwood, standup logs will be available here https://gitlab.com/trustable/distros/overview/wikis/Standup-Logs | 12:26 |
| paulsherwood | perfect tvm | 12:27 |
| * paulsherwood reads https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1014267515696922624 and wonders whether it implies that 500ms guarantees would be enough for a whole range of usecases | 12:30 | |
| noisecell | paulsherwood, wrong link? | 12:34 |
| persia | paulsherwood: It does not. The common test is to do something like run a 15fps film on a 30fps display: most folk will see the stutter. If you run the same film on a 15fps display, lots of people don't see the stutter. The visual system inappropriately magnifies discrepancies with assumptions. | 12:36 |
| flatmush | depending on what you're looking at, the human eye can see in excess of 300fps | 12:38 |
| flatmush | I have a 144Hz monitor, you'd be surprised at what it allows you to see that a 60Hz monitor cannot | 12:38 |
| flatmush | but usually only in a very small area | 12:38 |
| persia | Put another way, Saccadic Masking only masks the timing errors that are caused by the perceptual apparatus, not any timing errors that occur in other contexts. | 12:40 |
| paulsherwood | willbarnard: did you get anywhere with the top-level mermaid diagram? | 13:24 |
| paulsherwood | noisecell: no, that was the link i intended | 13:26 |
| paulsherwood | i was being a bit flippant, though | 13:27 |
| noisecell | paulsherwood, I read it carefully after persia and flatmush have continued talking about it, sorry about that | 13:27 |
| willbarnard | paulsherwood: I produced something very basic, edmund was looking to try and tweak it | 13:27 |
| paulsherwood | where is it? | 13:27 |
| willbarnard | it is not published | 13:28 |
| paulwaters_ | persia, going back to your earlier points on t.intents - these are covered here -> https://gitlab.com/trustable/distros/overview/blob/master/intents.md | 13:33 |
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| persia | paulwaters_: Thanks: that finally loaded for me (I have insufficient bandwidth at the moment). Makes me wonder if we ever formalised the definition of "intent", but covers my first point. | 14:33 |
| persia | I still think it premature to inspect particular technologies before building requirements, but in practice, the technologies available today may inform the requirements. | 14:33 |
| persia | (and I have yet another reason to try to get a github account when I next have functional bandwidth: the contributor list doesn't match any information I could find elsewhere in the repository, and there is no indication of how "contributor" is counted). | 14:34 |
| paulwaters_ | persia, I'm still getting up to speed with the work done to date on the "t." set of definitions, I have a feeling that they may need to be extended for the trustable distros work though | 14:35 |
| persia | last week willbarnard and I were carefully arguing through them: there's some still to be argued, but we started from the premise there were probably too many. | 14:37 |
| persia | What sort of thing do you think would be added? Can we alternately usefully reuse something that exists if we change the definition a bit? | 14:38 |
| paulwaters_ | persia - I think I need to see the diagram paulsherwood mentions above first so I can understand the relationships between the various "t." elements - once I understand this more I'll be able to comment netter | 15:05 |
| paulwaters_ | better | 15:05 |
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