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| leon-anavi | morning | 06:20 |
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| gattler | is Michele Paolino here sometimes? | 08:59 |
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| hitendra | hi all | 14:17 |
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| hitendra | how can I temporarily disable SMACK in AGL? either at runtime or buildtime | 14:29 |
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| jobol | hitendra, you can try security=none in kernel bootargs but frankly it works better with smack than without | 14:51 |
| leon-anavi | hitendra, https://wiki.tizen.org/Security:Smack#How_to_disable_SMACK.3F | 14:51 |
| leon-anavi | I remember that I added "How to disable SMACK?" to the Security FAQ of Tizen :) | 14:52 |
| jobol | hitendra, you should have audit messages if smack tracks forbidden action in the log file | 14:52 |
| hitendra | thanks @jobol, @leon-anavi, I need to test something else, I understand things won't work without SMACK :) | 14:57 |
| leon-anavi | :) | 14:57 |
| leon-anavi | If I were you I would have already disabled it ;) | 14:57 |
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| hitendra | ughh, Homescreen does not show up without SMACK, is it due to apps->AppFramework->SMACK dependency? | 15:17 |
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| leon-anavi | I think so | 15:36 |
| jobol | do you have indication in log file? | 15:38 |
| mranostay | morning people and leon-anavi ! | 15:50 |
| jobol | hi | 15:53 |
| mranostay | jobol: you are missing the fun :) | 15:54 |
| jobol | 8P | 15:54 |
| jobol | how is it hangin there? | 15:54 |
| mranostay | heh not bad | 15:55 |
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| jobol | were you to gordonbiersch? | 16:01 |
| mranostay | of course | 16:01 |
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| mranostay | jobol: had a nice steak... | 16:06 |
| jobol | mranostay, with ketchup I guess... | 16:07 |
| mranostay | jobol: what kind of savage do you think i am? :) | 16:07 |
| fury | hi guys | 16:08 |
| fury | how's it hangin? | 16:08 |
| jobol | mranostay, ooops sorry for the offense | 16:08 |
| jobol | what kind of saussage are put on the table in the highly civilized USA? | 16:09 |
| mranostay | heh nothing a german would accept i'm sure | 16:10 |
| mranostay | fury: stop shouting! | 16:11 |
| fury | :o I don't know why we're yelling | 16:12 |
| fury | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8 | 16:13 |
| smurray | the sausages at the hotel buffet this morning were quite good | 16:17 |
| mranostay | smurray: you need to warn leon-anavi before saying that! | 16:20 |
| smurray | heh | 16:20 |
| leon-anavi | :) | 16:20 |
| leon-anavi | there is no hiding from mranostay humor even in the automotive channel :) | 16:20 |
| mranostay | leon-anavi: don't worry it was free range cattle... they lived their short tasty lives in a pasture | 16:22 |
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| jobol | how about today? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7uv3j4ijQ | 16:26 |
| mranostay | jobol: been there... just lucky not today :).. getting too old to deal with hangovers | 16:27 |
| hitendra | @jobol, with security=none setting, I see bunch of journal entries for "m3ulcb dbus-daemon[3286]: Failed to obtain security label for connection" followed by Stopped messages | 16:28 |
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| hitendra | for AppFramework Binder for Homescreen, WindowManager, etc. | 16:29 |
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| mranostay | heh that is a new one | 16:29 |
| jobol | dbus is patched, deactivating the security doesn't remove the patch. | 16:30 |
| hitendra | is there a work around? | 16:31 |
| jobol | look in the /etc/dbus-1/*.conf to remove security. | 16:31 |
| jobol | but it will be a chain of items and we only see the first | 16:32 |
| fury | I guess that's a good thing, or it would be trivial to hack into the car, right? just pop out the SD card and change the boot arguments | 16:34 |
| hitendra | that's a good point | 16:35 |
| fury | well, a real car would prolly be using eMMC or soldered in flash or something :P but yeah | 16:36 |
| hitendra | alternatively, is there a way to build an AGL image without SMACK? | 16:36 |
| jobol | actually by design, removing smack means removing the framework | 16:37 |
| fury | what do you need to do that smack prevents you from doing? I haven't run into anything as of yet, but haven't yet done anything more exciting than opening up a serial port and a network listener | 16:37 |
| jobol | I agree with fury, during developement, being root, smack is not really a constraint | 16:39 |
| hitendra | running a piece of iot software, that does not give a crap about smack, fails to launch :( | 16:39 |
| smurray | there is an agl-smack feature in aglsetup.sh, but it's not clear you can configure and avoid it being pulled in by dependencies | 16:40 |
| fury | Next thing I'd love to try is to talk to I2C, SPI, GPIO, etc. but I hear MRAA is the way to go for that, and it's not ported over yet | 16:40 |
| * mranostay flips table | 16:40 | |
| smurray | fury: why would you need MRAA? | 16:40 |
| fury | It fails to launch because of smack? There should be a log message to that effect | 16:40 |
| mranostay | fury: IIO :) | 16:41 |
| fury | *hides* | 16:41 |
| fury | It wasn't me! They said that on the call! | 16:41 |
| smurray | take a look at libiio or libsoc | 16:41 |
| hitendra | yep, due to smack permissions issues while it tries to create directories | 16:41 |
| mranostay | smurray: pretty sure not selecting the smack feature with agl-setup.sh doesn't work | 16:42 |
| hitendra | it runs under a different user | 16:42 |
| mranostay | fury: MRAA is pure cancer! | 16:42 |
| fury | :o | 16:42 |
| fury | better tell that to the mailing list before somebody gets hurt, there's some talk about it there | 16:42 |
| mranostay | but maybe i'm biased since i'm a iio contributer :) | 16:43 |
| fury | Makes sense :P | 16:43 |
| jobol | yes | 16:43 |
| smurray | mraa is pretty heavy weight | 16:43 |
| mranostay | but userspace "drivers" is a pet peeve of mine :) | 16:43 |
| fury | I like lightweight | 16:44 |
| fury | I came from MCUs that didn't have enough RAM to run SQLite and a Bluetooth stack at the same time | 16:44 |
| fury | I still feel a bit uneasy allocating memory :P | 16:44 |
| smurray | heh | 16:45 |
| fury | but then I go and run a QML app and take up all the GPU ram without even trying <.< | 16:45 |
| mranostay | fury: javascript kernel is next? :P | 16:46 |
| fury | Totes | 16:46 |
| mranostay | i'll be starting a food cart if that happens ) | 16:46 |
| mranostay | :) | 16:46 |
| mranostay | it is the Portland way | 16:46 |
| jobol | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisaac | 16:47 |
| jobol | just one more funny attempt!! | 16:47 |
| fury | Disappointed that an OS hasn't been written in brainfuck | 16:49 |
| mranostay | was about to say that... but i never swear :) | 16:50 |
| mranostay | fury: pretty sure emacs is coded in that | 16:51 |
| fury | oh man. Sorry :P I could make a sailor cry with my filthy mouth sometimes | 16:51 |
| fury | The other software guy here lived and breathed emacs up until he gave in and got assimilated by the Qt IDE and all its fun autocomplete/assist features | 16:53 |
| mranostay | fury: like? http://25.media.tumblr.com/1d8210790b9f5708189f041fcc9bd495/tumblr_mkmuc0kbYU1qmt85zo1_250.png | 16:53 |
| fury | yes! | 16:54 |
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| fury | If my speech were bleeped out, it'd probably spell out a swear in Morse code | 16:55 |
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| hitendra | @fury, I see the permission denied for subject="System" object="_" requested=wx when creating a directory, is it possible to grant this permission in SMACK? | 18:11 |
| hitendra | where are the SMACL rules set? I'm thinking if I can add this one: subject="System" object="_" requested=wx | 18:12 |
| mranostay | hitendra: did you extract your image with the correct tar options? | 18:16 |
| hitendra | sudo tar --extract --numeric-owner --preserve-permissions --preserve-order --totals --xattrs-include='*' --directory=$SDCARD --file=blah | 18:17 |
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| hitendra | although i should i've enabled couple of extra kernel configurations: CONFIG_OF_OVERLAY=y, CONFIG_CGROUP_FREEZER=y | 18:19 |
| hitendra | I see (System _ l) in /sys/fs/smackfs/load and load2 files, is that what needs to be updated? | 18:26 |
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| hitendra | @fury, @mranostay, found out how to set the SMACK permissions, updated /etc/smack/accesses.d/default-access-domains and reloaded via smackload | 18:57 |
| hitendra | Not sure if that's the right way to do it, but atleast it unblocked me for now :) | 18:58 |
| fury | sweet. i don't know much about smack, i just know i must obey its commands :D | 18:59 |
| JEEB | I just remember a lot of hats and underscores | 19:04 |
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| hitendra | what's hat for? | 19:18 |
| JEEB | to be honest I don't remember any more :) | 19:22 |
| JEEB | ^s and _s are all I remember regarding SMACK | 19:23 |
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| khilman | dl9pf: FYI: qemu device_type running x86, arm, arm64: http://lava.baylibre.com:10080/scheduler/device/qemu-01 | 21:53 |
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