IRC logs for #automotive for Thursday, 2016-02-04

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CTtpollardmorning08:38
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toscalixCTtpollard: morning09:23
CTtpollardhey09:24
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toscalixafter yesterday's meetings rally.... I will be a little quiet :-)09:27
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Tarnykomornign09:48
Guest72855hi Tarnyko how was you trip back home after FOSDEM?10:02
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TarnykoGuest72855: hi ! a bit tiresome, but I guess not as much as yours (cf. your mail on the ML, you were still travelling). Made it intact back home :) ?10:03
Tarnykoleon-anavi: ^^10:05
leon-anaviyes, everything is fine, catching up with emails right now :010:05
leon-anavi:)10:06
Tarnykohave a good reading10:06
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leon-anavibtw your presentation was really nice, I saw you have uploaded the slides so I will explore them again during the weekend.10:13
* paulsherwood is waiting for the videos10:22
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Tarnykoleon-anavi: feel free ! by the way I got the last part of demo working for a small team the same day10:51
leon-anavi:)10:51
leon-anaviwell done10:51
Tarnykoleon-anavi: by the way, were you interested in uploading files inside Rygel at one time ?10:57
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leon-anaviTarnyko, I am interested in LMS and Rygel as part of the Media Manager. With your help several months ago I got LMS & Rygel working together and exposing list of files through UPnP.11:01
Tarnykook ! wasn't sure11:02
gunnarxtoscalix: progress on assigned="unassigned" in Jira?  Is the action still with jreplogle?  How long?  When?11:03
toscalixgunnarx: haven't got time to check11:03
gunnarxIf you mean the current status: as far as I can see it's still not possible to assign to Unassigned.   You asked jreplogle to change this right?  A week ago or more right?11:05
toscalixI asked him to provide me rights.11:07
gunnarxah, ok, that seems even better11:07
toscalixas soon as I check if he did and if I can do it...I will. Hopefully between today and tomorrow11:08
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derbieHi!11:12
derbieI am interested in what does it mean to develop maintain and extend ECUs. What sort of knowledge does one need and how do you acquire it11:13
gunnarxderbie, from this channel's perspective you need Linux development competence if you want to work with IVI.  Then more specifically embedded Linux.  That should be a good start.11:38
gunnarx"ECUs" is a pretty wide concept.  That basically means you need Embedded Systems competence, as a start.11:38
derbieThank you gunnarx11:39
derbieAfter discussing very little with a few others, i have the strong feeling i should focus on a specific car11:40
ackpacketer11:40
gunnarxi doubt that you need to.  a lot of cars are similar.  more and more development done based on standards.  by chance that's what we work on in GENIVI  :)11:42
gunnarxfor Infotainment-type systems.  For ECUs generally AUTOSAR.11:42
gunnarxif you know the standards you are more useful to more companies.  Are you a software developer?11:42
derbiegunnarx: i've been studying software engineering with university courses for the past two years11:44
derbiegunnarx: But nothing on embedded systems until hopefully soon :-)11:45
gunnarxok, at that level the next step towards automotive should be clear  --> any general embedded systems training11:45
derbiegunnarx: thank you11:47
gunnarxI would search for Yocto project and try some tutorials.  Get some cheap hardware - beaglebone/beagleboard, minnowboard, or even raspberry pi11:47
gunnarxYou could try GDP but it's a semi-complex system.  Building it should not be complex however, it should just work.  https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GENIVI+Demo+Platform+Home11:48
gunnarxgood luck with your studies11:48
derbieThanks for the advice gunnarx <311:48
CTtpollardgunnarx: currently trying out the archiver11:53
CTtpollardalso plan to tar up each layer + OE with the source, as to cover all modifications to source11:53
gunnarxmakes sense11:54
CTtpollard+ package & licence manifest ofc11:55
gunnarxalthough, doesn't bitbake package the source with the patches applied?  I have not checked but I think it ought to11:55
gunnarxcool.  you saw my test pipeline I showed on the call right?11:55
gunnarxit builds successfully now and uploads artifacts to look at.11:56
CTtpollardgunnarx: it applies the patches in a work dir, but only with git apply so the patches aren't logged properly in git11:56
gunnarxthe downloads dir is a little big, especially with git repos that are not tarred up.11:56
gunnarxCTtpollard, arguably having the patches not-applied inside the layers isn't much better.11:57
gunnarx^^ with big I mean unwieldy and many files11:57
CTtpollardgunnarx: understaood11:57
CTtpollard*understood11:57
gunnarxso I would have the build job doing some tarring before exposing them as artifacts, as you are doing11:58
CTtpollardgunnarx: including the layers came from http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.8/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#maintaining-open-source-license-compliance-during-your-products-lifecycle 5.25.311:58
gunnarxand besides the archiver != downloads directory either11:58
CTtpollardyeh, archiver also splits by licence type I see11:58
gunnarxyes, which means you could save bandwidth by offering copyleft licensed source only11:59
gunnarxI mean any sane person won't use this anyhow since everything is available through the actual project11:59
CTtpollardgunnarx: we cannot trust people to be sane11:59
CTtpollardincluding myself12:00
gunnarxno but what I mean is this won't be of use to anyone in practice12:00
gunnarxthis is kind of silly work to make sure all license conditions are met.12:00
CTtpollard+112:00
derbieThank you for the support <312:02
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CTtpollardhey gunnarx14:12
CTtpollarddo you have the ability to give me admin on 'GDP_Maintenance' pipelines?14:13
CTtpollardI need to kickstart a broken pipeline there, but don't have the rights by the looks of it14:41
gunnarxCTtpollard, I thought you had that, let me check14:56
gunnarxLooks like a mistake, should be fixed now14:57
CTtpollardgunnarx: cheers :)14:58
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CTtpollardah, gunnar has left15:55
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cosmeticsanyone here?15:55
cosmeticshello hello?15:56
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ToxicGumbo-work1http://can-newsletter.org/engineering/engineering-miscellaneous/160204_baby-you-can-drive-my-car_usenix/16:32
ToxicGumbo-work1^ Nothing new here, but of interest since it's the headliner of the latest CAN Newsletter.16:32
rjekSadface16:33
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