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| fredcadete | I just made the mistake of looking at the FOSDEM schedule to see what I'll be missing | 08:04 |
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| jeremiah | pedroalvarez: Interesting talk at FOSDEM on 'distribution' and how it triggers GPL compliance or not: https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/event/triggering_copyleft/ | 10:11 |
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| jeremiah | That is relevant to automotive in general I believe since we may be moving to a situation where commercial organizations "rent" vehicles to users. | 10:12 |
| jeremiah | In such a use case, how does the GPL apply? | 10:12 |
| rjek | You distributed a binary to them | 10:13 |
| rjek | So still applies | 10:13 |
| jeremiah | If you are hiring an Uber car, owned by Uber, with FOSS on it, does Uber have to deliver licenses? | 10:13 |
| jeremiah | rjek: Not so sure. | 10:13 |
| jeremiah | Its going to be more like SaaS | 10:14 |
| rjek | GPL is full of dragons, but I suspect a judge would probably suggest that the person using it is the issue | 10:14 |
| rjek | ie, the Uber driver is the user of the GPLed code | 10:14 |
| rjek | Not the passenger | 10:14 |
| rjek | The solution is for companies to be honest and enter into the spirit of things; then such grey-area questions don't matter | 10:14 |
| jeremiah | Okay, in that case Uber is not "distributing" GPL code, rather supplying a tool inside its company. | 10:14 |
| jeremiah | rjek: Yes, I agree, that is the solution. | 10:15 |
| rjek | jeremiah: Uber drivers are third-party contractors :D | 10:15 |
| jeremiah | Which further complicates things. :( | 10:15 |
| jeremiah | It likely means that Uber cannot provide additional conditions in their EULA to the third party contractors, at least as far as covers GPL'd software. | 10:16 |
| jeremiah | But if its an automated vehicle that Uber owns? | 10:17 |
| * rjek generally strongly objects to TiVoisation, which the automotive world seems to have its heart set on | 10:17 | |
| jeremiah | rjek: Indeed. | 10:17 |
| jeremiah | And they say "because safety" but its likely because "marketing" | 10:17 |
| pedroalvarez | jeremiah: oh, I was expecting to see a video, but I see now that is for fosdem 2016 | 10:17 |
| pedroalvarez | i'm not attending this year :/ | 10:18 |
| rjek | Kitchen knifes do not come with technological solutions to the "user might stab themselves repeatedly in the face" problem | 10:18 |
| jeremiah | pedroalvarez: There ought to be video though | 10:18 |
| jeremiah | FOSDEM is trying to record everythin g | 10:18 |
| rjek | And if your IVI can cause your car to turn into a 90MPH fireball, the safety issue is not the software running on it | 10:18 |
| jeremiah | heh | 10:18 |
| jeremiah | I think the term is 90MPH electrical event | 10:19 |
| rjek | :) | 10:19 |
| jeremiah | :P | 10:19 |
| jeremiah | Automotive folks, this is just a lucious grab-bag of FOSS legal goodness: https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/track/legal_and_policy_issues/ | 10:21 |
| rjek | last year's FOSDEM had too few interesting talks, this year's has too many: they all clash. Boo. | 10:25 |
| fredcadete | rjek: last year's fosdem had plenty of cool talks | 10:26 |
| rjek | I suppose it depends on what interests you :) | 10:26 |
| fredcadete | other than that, jeremiah if you want legal did you attend or will attend qt's webinar on the subject of their license change? | 10:26 |
| fredcadete | it adds plenty of detail to their previous messages on the subject | 10:27 |
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| radiofree | hmm... what is wl-shell-emulator? | 14:23 |
| radiofree | from agl | 14:23 |
| radiofree | hmm.. this probably http://lists.genivi.org/pipermail/genivi-ivi-layer-management/2015-July/002949.html | 14:24 |
| gunnarx | CTtpollard, remind me, is all the audiomanager stuff in GDP now up to date with latest audiomanager, or are you still working? | 14:27 |
| gunnarx | I heard the report on this week's meeting, but maybe there is some cleanup remaining I mean | 14:28 |
| CTtpollard | gunnarx: the gdp9 dev branch is inline with am7.0, provided by ivi9 | 14:28 |
| CTtpollard | I think upstream is at 7.3 maybe | 14:28 |
| gunnarx | OK. | 14:28 |
| gunnarx | But that should be API compatible (I hope?) | 14:28 |
| CTtpollard | I would hope so | 14:29 |
| CTtpollard | I'm not sure what AM is being defined by ivi10? | 14:30 |
| gunnarx | Yes I have an open Q to the architects to look over all implementations to see if the spec needs update | 14:31 |
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| CTtpollard | atm I'm just going through meta-genivi-demo to see how many legacy recipes can be removed | 14:35 |
| * pedroalvarez builds with SPDX enabled and a local fossology server | 14:42 | |
| CTtpollard | pedroalvarez: cool! | 14:43 |
| gunnarx | interesting. looking forward to the result | 14:50 |
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| pedroalvarez | gunnarx: let's see if I don't get the "too big" error with a local fossology server | 14:51 |
| gunnarx | I was rewriting some HTML on go.genivi.org live on the production container :-P | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | seems I broke it for a while there without noticing :) | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | Now fixed :) | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | No one noticed it's been broken the last hour? | 14:52 |
| pedroalvarez | I opened it about 15 minutes ago and it was fine | 14:53 |
| gunnarx | really, hmm | 14:53 |
| gunnarx | ok then :) | 14:54 |
| pedroalvarez | using :8153 if that matters | 14:54 |
| gunnarx | Probably fine if you had a login cookie. Only entering from the login screen might have brok | 14:56 |
| gunnarx | broke | 14:56 |
| pedroalvarez | gunnarx: nice! thanks for adding the guest credentials to the login screen | 14:59 |
| CTtpollard | that's a great idea | 15:00 |
| pedroalvarez | I'm not sure this spdx thing is doing anything useful | 15:04 |
| gunnarx | I started breaking it a bit again. Just want to serve a logo image also. | 15:14 |
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| pedroalvarez | lot of "NOASSERTION" on the spdx files... | 15:20 |
| pedroalvarez | this isn't right | 15:21 |
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| * rZr miss Qt development ... enjoy Tarnyko1 ! | 16:04 | |
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| Tarnyko1 | rZr: need to wait for post-FOSDEM to resume Qt dev :) | 16:28 |
| rZr | yea ping me for xdg-shell upgrade | 16:29 |
| rZr | I'd like to keep maintaning it | 16:29 |
| Tarnyko1 | I sort of lost interest in working on xdg-shell (and practical reasons to do so, too) ; you're welcome | 16:30 |
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| gunnarx | See you at FOSDEM! | 16:47 |
| rjek | I'll be the grumpy one in a Codethink hoodie | 16:47 |
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| CTtpollard | gunnarx: have a safe journey | 16:47 |
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| gunnarx | thanks. have to go, hope to meet some of you | 16:48 |
| Tarnyko1 | bye bye, see you there | 16:49 |
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| toscalix | attending to fosdem? | 17:27 |
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| rZr | toscalix, _o/ | 17:46 |
| toscalix | attending to jeremiah's talk? | 17:47 |
| toscalix | rZr: ? | 17:47 |
| rZr | I'll try yes | 17:47 |
| toscalix | I will be there | 17:47 |
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| rZr | good find me around tizen booth | 17:55 |
| toscalix | tizen... ok | 17:57 |
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| rZr | we're having a dinner too | 18:08 |
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| rZr | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2016/01/developer-tizen-community-meeting-at-fosdem-2016/ | 18:08 |
| rZr | and we're open to related tech | 18:08 |
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| rZr | last year there was a massive automotive presence | 18:11 |
| paulsherwood | rZr: interesting... i've not been keeping up on the tizen story... are there still big sponsors involved or is this more grass-roots now? | 18:12 |
| rZr | so feel free to come again since we have a shared past, and who know what future will deserve | 18:12 |
| rZr | paulsherwood, well I could speak a lot about this but I also need to pack my things | 18:12 |
| paulsherwood | ack, no problem. ghave a great FOSDEM :) | 18:13 |
| rZr | paulsherwood, I will make a report if you cant attend it | 18:14 |
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| paulsherwood | i would love to attend... but my family has other ideas :) | 18:14 |
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