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| kanupatar | hi all, gm | 05:41 |
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| CTtpollard | hi | 08:24 |
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| jeremiah | If anyone has something they'd like to add to my talk at FOSDEM about FOSS automotive stacks, please ping me. :-) | 08:35 |
| jeremiah | The talk is going to be an overview mostly of whats available in software and hardware for automotive | 08:36 |
| jeremiah | released under an open source license or an open hardware license. | 08:36 |
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| toscalix | Link to the video chat for the GDP call: https://meet.jit.si/gdpcall | 08:58 |
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| *** CTtpollard changes topic to "Welcome! Logs at https://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/ GDP https://meet.jit.si/gdpcall" | 09:11 | |
| rZr | jeremiah, sounds exciting | 09:14 |
| CTtpollard | https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GENIVI+Demo+Platform+maintenance+management#GENIVIDemoPlatformmaintenancemanagement-Activityreports | 09:14 |
| rZr | jeremiah, I'll try to attend your persentation Sat 17h ? but I must stay around our booth at the same time, I need to fork() ... | 09:16 |
| jeremiah | rZr: :-) | 09:17 |
| jeremiah | If you don't make to the presentation, we should meet up anyway! | 09:17 |
| jeremiah | I know how much there is at FOSDEM to do | 09:17 |
| rZr | sure | 09:17 |
| rZr | talking about meeting | 09:18 |
| toscalix | CTtpollard: is providing a technical review of the work done to have an initial GDP-ivi9 build | 09:18 |
| rZr | if you have an interest into tizen or related tech | 09:18 |
| toscalix | join the GDP call at https://meet.jit.si/gdpcall | 09:18 |
| rZr | https://wiki.tizen.org/wiki/FOSDEM#Tizen_Community_Dinner | 09:18 |
| rZr | kooltux__ registered already thx | 09:19 |
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| kanupatar | any GDP on R-Car guys around? | 09:42 |
| Tarnyko | morning folks | 09:42 |
| CTtpollard | kanupatar: yes :) | 09:43 |
| kanupatar | CTtpollard: I am trying to build GDP for koelsch board and i hit an error. Please see.. It is nearby do_rootfs..http://pastebin.com/QJb0gSzz | 09:44 |
| kanupatar | Tarnyko: morning | 09:44 |
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| * kanupatar planning to attend Paris AMM | 09:45 | |
| CTtpollard | kanupatar: yes it seems the koelsch build has broken after a few recent patches, I'm looking to revert back today and will contact the maintainer of the meta-renesas repo of the problems | 09:45 |
| kanupatar | Can someone give some guidance? | 09:45 |
| kanupatar | CTtpollard: great | 09:46 |
| kanupatar | the employer may recommend me | 09:46 |
| kanupatar | Who are all will be there? | 09:46 |
| kanupatar | everyone? | 09:46 |
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| CTtpollard | weston: if you take commit f16a338f94100285bf567d8fd6b4753a3112469d of the koelsch branch, it should build | 09:47 |
| weston | CTtpollard: oops. I am bitbaking it, How can I pass this info? | 09:47 |
| CTtpollard | weston: you can kill the bitbake process, checkout that commit and rerun source init.sh | 09:48 |
| weston | git clone --recursive http://git.projects.genivi.org/genivi-demo-platform.git -b f16a338f94100285bf567d8fd6b4753a3112469d | 09:49 |
| toscalix | tools team meeting in 10 min. | 09:50 |
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| Tarnyko | hi folks ; please review here a patch for Weston 1.8.0 on Renesas R-Car 2 : https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/#/c/5329/ | 09:56 |
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| toscalix | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting == | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Agenda | 10:00 |
| toscalix | 1.- Goals for Q1 and Q2 | 10:00 |
| toscalix | 2.- "In progress" tasks: https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=8 | 10:00 |
| gmacario | Hi there! | 10:00 |
| klausbirken | Hi all! | 10:00 |
| toscalix | ok, let's start | 10:01 |
| toscalix | goals for Q1 and Q2 | 10:01 |
| gmacario | Close all the TOOL-xxx issues? :P | 10:01 |
| toscalix | I was thinking in collecting your proposals and opinions in a doc and discuss it next week. | 10:02 |
| toscalix | :-) | 10:02 |
| toscalix | so we can use this meeting as brainstorm | 10:02 |
| gmacario | Well apparently the existing items are already an outcome of the GENIVI Tools Team Charter IIRC | 10:02 |
| toscalix | yes.... I expect that most of the things are already in tasks..... I wonder if we can come with priorities | 10:03 |
| gmacario | Couldn't we start from https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/TOOL/Tools+Team+Home | 10:03 |
| toscalix | so the charter is there...how far we are expecting to get in every topic? | 10:03 |
| gmacario | Prios depend on who-is-doing-what, and right now resources in TT are on a voluntary basis | 10:03 |
| toscalix | ... so we need to adapt to that reality so we can get a good sense of achievement | 10:04 |
| toscalix | can we start with Go, for instance? | 10:05 |
| gmacario | You mean GoCD, not golang I believe | 10:05 |
| toscalix | goCD | 10:05 |
| klausbirken | Is Gunnar here? He would be the for the goCD topic | 10:05 |
| toscalix | is not, sorry..... | 10:06 |
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| toscalix | klausbirken: since you are here... what about your topics? | 10:06 |
| klausbirken | Ok, I can start... | 10:06 |
| klausbirken | IoNAS: We plan to migrate the source base from AUTOSAR svn to Artop. | 10:06 |
| klausbirken | The people at Frauhofer (the original authors of the prototypical tool) have agreed to support this step. | 10:07 |
| klausbirken | This migration will allow us to evolve the tool and improve it. | 10:07 |
| klausbirken | Any Q on IoNAS? | 10:07 |
| gmacario | Do you plan to integrate IoNAS tooling into gunnarx/franca_install_automation? | 10:08 |
| gmacario | Maybe it is is an obvious question, but just FMY | 10:08 |
| klausbirken | There is already a (experimental?) branch which installs IoNAS. But I do not know the current state. | 10:08 |
| gmacario | Any plans for testing and declaring it stable? | 10:09 |
| gmacario | With some automated tests maybe... | 10:09 |
| klausbirken | Not yet… I got a little disconnected to franca_install_automation since Dec 2015 because of a lot of customer projects... | 10:09 |
| gmacario | klausbirken: I know that feeling :-( | 10:10 |
| toscalix | Philippe just called me, he cannot join | 10:10 |
| toscalix | travelloing | 10:10 |
| klausbirken | Next is… | 10:10 |
| klausbirken | Franca: | 10:10 |
| klausbirken | This is currently just maintenance work, Franca is still ahead of CommonAPI C++ one version | 10:10 |
| toscalix | klausbirken: can you add some update in the tasks in JIRA, or do you want me to include these? | 10:11 |
| klausbirken | The migration to Eclipse Foundation is yet to be done, but currently postponed due to lack of resources. | 10:11 |
| toscalix | ...these comments | 10:11 |
| toscalix | postponed beyond q2? | 10:11 |
| klausbirken | I can do it for the tasks assigned to myself. | 10:11 |
| toscalix | klausbirken: thanks | 10:12 |
| klausbirken | Franca=>Eclipse: We will try to finish it in the first half of 2016, but not 100% sure. | 10:12 |
| toscalix | postponed to q2 then, ok | 10:12 |
| klausbirken | Regarding Franca features, there are some plans on the horizon: Franca<=>OMG IDL transformation, Franca<=>protobuf transformation. | 10:13 |
| klausbirken | We are talking to a potential customer about sharing the load on this. Anybody interested here? Pls contact me (if you are reading this in the logs). | 10:13 |
| toscalix | plans on the horizon... sound like "evil plans". I like it | 10:14 |
| klausbirken | :-) | 10:14 |
| toscalix | Anything else on your side klausbirken ? | 10:14 |
| klausbirken | No, that's it, I guess. | 10:14 |
| toscalix | gmacario: should I start? | 10:14 |
| gmacario | Yes please do | 10:15 |
| toscalix | beyond some PM work to put the tasks up to date, we have put some effort into TOOL-14 | 10:15 |
| toscalix | https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/TOOL-14 | 10:15 |
| gmacario | Great! | 10:16 |
| toscalix | our tests show that the integration between gerrit and go.cd is not optimal but good enough | 10:16 |
| gmacario | Any integration with JIRA and/or Confluence? | 10:16 |
| toscalix | so we would like to implement it and use it in GDP | 10:16 |
| gmacario | I mean for GoCD | 10:16 |
| toscalix | yes, gerrit <-> GoCD | 10:17 |
| gmacario | I am so naive on GoCD, just asking what I am used with our internal CI/CD tool | 10:17 |
| toscalix | so we can evaluate it in production and in the open so everybody can evaluate it | 10:17 |
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| gunnarx | Hello | 10:18 |
| toscalix | the question now is...where do we host gerrit | 10:18 |
| toscalix | hello | 10:18 |
| pedroalvarez | gmacario: looks like GoCD has some sort of integration with bug tracking tools | 10:18 |
| pedroalvarez | Also gerrit has some sort of integration with Jira if we want to explore that | 10:19 |
| toscalix | we will need to test the integration with jira | 10:19 |
| gunnarx | I was searching for a conf call. I can see in the logs what you have discussed | 10:19 |
| gmacario | Well that could make sense since we are now using JIRA in the open for GDP and TOOL etc | 10:19 |
| gunnarx | pedroalvarez, do we not have a ticket for such integrations? maybe we should add | 10:20 |
| gunnarx | and integration with gerrit, but then we need to run gerrit first... :) | 10:20 |
| toscalix | it would be good to have a roadmap of things we want to integrate with go.cd so maybe others want to help. We can use GDP as production environment | 10:20 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, I agree | 10:20 |
| gmacario | +1 | 10:20 |
| toscalix | TOOL-14 is where we will publish our results | 10:21 |
| toscalix | pedroalvarez: can you do that? | 10:21 |
| gunnarx | that's why I brought up the "unassigned" idea because I want to have a backlog of things to add | 10:21 |
| pedroalvarez | yes I can | 10:22 |
| toscalix | so, next step is gerrit + go.cd. Once it is working, we have to explore how to interact with JIRA | 10:22 |
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| gunnarx | Yes, I think the title is a little strange, it's not only for go.cd pipelines. But that's OK | 10:22 |
| toscalix | this is one solution. There are other options but somebody else has to step in | 10:23 |
| toscalix | and evaluate them | 10:23 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, I think the kanban boards are still not visible when not logged in | 10:23 |
| gunnarx | do you know this? | 10:23 |
| toscalix | we are fine with adopting other approaches if they are better | 10:24 |
| toscalix | maybe you need to find it first once and then it is, but yes, the behaviour is not consistent across the tool if you are not logged in | 10:24 |
| toscalix | I will request it | 10:25 |
| gunnarx | but I tried a direct link | 10:25 |
| toscalix | ah, then boards are still....restricted | 10:25 |
| toscalix | Joel is the only one that can change that option atm | 10:25 |
| gunnarx | I think so, at least not made visible in any menu what I can see | 10:25 |
| toscalix | There is an option for admins. Current is public, but there is a general option that has higher priviledges that prevent to publish it | 10:26 |
| toscalix | I take that as an action point | 10:26 |
| gunnarx | ok good | 10:26 |
| toscalix | let me go back to the question, should we go ahead and implement gerrit+GoCD? | 10:26 |
| toscalix | if yes, where do we host gerrit? | 10:27 |
| gunnarx | I think so | 10:27 |
| gunnarx | on a GENIVI VPS that exists that Joel knows about | 10:27 |
| gmacario | > on a GENIVI VPS that exists that Joel knows about | 10:27 |
| toscalix | ok, I will contact joel then | 10:27 |
| gmacario | Is this the one where go.genivi.org runs now? | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | No, go.genivi.org needs to migrate there. | 10:28 |
| gmacario | Ah, OK | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | The thing is I'm not proposing any more IT projects until Wiki is done | 10:28 |
| gmacario | I will dream for that day! | 10:28 |
| toscalix | that was my only point. gmacario your turn | 10:29 |
| gmacario | I want to support the CI/CD project | 10:29 |
| gmacario | By leveraging a couple of projects such as https://github.com/gmacario/easy-build | 10:29 |
| gunnarx | The open question we have between us right now GM is whether a go agent should be generic or specialized | 10:30 |
| gunnarx | I think you made a good point that yocto build env should have minimal installed stuff | 10:30 |
| gmacario | And my opinion is: Specialized per job | 10:30 |
| gunnarx | to ensure that yocto builds are building their required tools from source, not relying on the environment | 10:30 |
| gmacario | This is how we deploy Jenkins slaves in our internal production environment BTW | 10:30 |
| gunnarx | but the opposite point is make it easy for go-agent sponsors so I'm also looking forward to a very standard setup | 10:31 |
| gunnarx | How about one for Yocto, one for "everything else"? | 10:31 |
| gmacario | Let's continue the discussion in TOOL-21 | 10:31 |
| gunnarx | pedroalvarez, do you have an opinion, as the current other Go maintainer :) | 10:31 |
| gmacario | By the way: Specialied build environment is EXACTLY what https://github.com/gmacario/easy-build does | 10:32 |
| toscalix | while pedroalvarez answers.... any other point gmacario? | 10:32 |
| gmacario | Not for the moment | 10:32 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: your turn | 10:33 |
| toscalix | point to consider in the coming weeks or updates? | 10:33 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, understood. I think we had a misunderstanding but now I know what you are aiming for. | 10:33 |
| gunnarx | I *know* we also need to simplify the agent setup as much as possible so my proposal above stands | 10:33 |
| gunnarx | sure we can move on, looks like we have some more discussion to do though. if not here now then another time? | 10:34 |
| gunnarx | also another conference format (audio) might help here... | 10:34 |
| toscalix | in the AOB I was going to talk about this | 10:35 |
| gunnarx | ok fine | 10:35 |
| toscalix | we have 5 min left to talk about what we want to go or goals for the coming weeks / months | 10:35 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: can you advance your plans/contributions? | 10:36 |
| toscalix | in 5 min? | 10:36 |
| toscalix | what are you going to focus on? | 10:36 |
| gunnarx | you mean topics assigned to me, or plans for Go in general, or... | 10:36 |
| pedroalvarez | regarding generic/sepecialized agents... it would be great if the only dependency needed was docker | 10:36 |
| toscalix | topics assigned to you or things you will do that are not in our todo list | 10:37 |
| pedroalvarez | and then every job installs its dependencies, and then we throw away the container | 10:37 |
| gunnarx | I think I will focus on adding more to the backlog for Go maybe | 10:37 |
| gunnarx | There are many desired pipelines that I could add. "Unassigned" for now | 10:37 |
| gunnarx | I will not focus on migrating go.genivi.org yet as I said before | 10:38 |
| gunnarx | There's documentation of the current setup | 10:38 |
| gunnarx | basically I'd like to have more discussion on that though. Is pedroalvarez someone I can bounce ideas off? | 10:38 |
| pedroalvarez | yup | 10:39 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: yes | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | Finish the standardized agents. If GM has one direction I think a complement is required | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | Documenting how we should use resources / environments. https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/TOOL/Go+Installation+Instructions | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | email user account creation reminder | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | I could go on... I have 1000 ideas :) | 10:39 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: when will go.cd be open? | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | what? | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | no parse | 10:40 |
| toscalix | to the public? | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | go.genivi.org ? | 10:40 |
| pedroalvarez | gunnarx: at the moment you need a guest user credentials | 10:40 |
| pedroalvarez | so not very open if you don't know it | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | It's as open as it will be. I've emailed the credentials to public mailing lists | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | OK fair enough, if you think it makes sense to remove those completely we could do it | 10:41 |
| gunnarx | some security analysis perhaps with respect to all the companies connecting agents to this | 10:41 |
| pedroalvarez | +99999 to some security analysis | 10:42 |
| toscalix | go.cd will be a key part of the gdp publishing stage, so we would like to have it accesible directly without credentials, if possible | 10:42 |
| toscalix | so if we need to invest some effort in security...it is worth it since we will put effort in promoting GDP, so go.cd will get attention | 10:43 |
| gunnarx | I agree toscalix. The only reason for guest login is the above. And have to check if it's possible to remove the login completely. I think as soon as you start using user accounts, then they are required | 10:44 |
| gunnarx | Let's make a ticket out of this, investigate possibility | 10:44 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: anything else from your side in terms of plans? | 10:44 |
| * toscalix opening the ticke | 10:44 | |
| gunnarx | no, I'll try to keep adding to the backlog, and please everyone else do it too! | 10:45 |
| gunnarx | label = CIAT to make it a Go related issue | 10:45 |
| toscalix | ok | 10:45 |
| toscalix | Let's move on then.... AOB | 10:46 |
| toscalix | any point you want to expose? | 10:46 |
| toscalix | before we talk about the discussion format? | 10:46 |
| * toscalix starts | 10:46 | |
| toscalix | I was thinking about complementing this meeting with an open video call | 10:47 |
| toscalix | focusing on discussions | 10:47 |
| toscalix | maybe once a month | 10:47 |
| gunnarx | I have to go now, sorry about that. | 10:47 |
| klausbirken | video call +1 | 10:47 |
| toscalix | in adition or instead of one of our meetings | 10:47 |
| toscalix | that is the question | 10:47 |
| gunnarx | let me know another time and/or email me about the issues. | 10:48 |
| toscalix | I will | 10:48 |
| gunnarx | klausbirken, maybe we should discuss some of the Franca tooling things at a later time, let me know | 10:48 |
| klausbirken | gunnarx: ok | 10:48 |
| klausbirken | I have to go soon, too. | 10:48 |
| toscalix | yes, we will finish in 2 min. | 10:48 |
| klausbirken | toscalix: I would prefer: instead | 10:48 |
| toscalix | I would like to have your opinions on the proposal | 10:48 |
| toscalix | gmacario: instead? | 10:48 |
| gmacario | You mean: videoconf rather than IRC? | 10:49 |
| toscalix | once a month | 10:49 |
| gmacario | I like someone logging into IRC during WebEx as what Paul did | 10:49 |
| toscalix | focused on discussions | 10:49 |
| toscalix | we can complement the video chat with summaries in IRC, yes | 10:49 |
| gmacario | I believe instead + a volunteer recording the minutes online into IRC | 10:49 |
| klausbirken | Sorry, have to leave… thanks for hosting, toscalix | 10:50 |
| toscalix | or we can tape the video chat | 10:50 |
| gmacario | Where do we store the recordings then? | 10:50 |
| toscalix | I take that as a yes. I will follow up through mail | 10:50 |
| gmacario | (always an IT issue...) | 10:50 |
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| toscalix | thanks everybody | 10:50 |
| * rjek finds it ironic that an open-source project uses WebEx. | 10:50 | |
| toscalix | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Ends == | 10:50 |
| gmacario | Thank you everybody! | 10:50 |
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| radiofree | are the subteam pages on https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro up-to-date? | 13:43 |
| radiofree | there doesn't appear to be much of anything on them | 13:43 |
| Tarnyko | radiofree: Graphics and Connectivity are up-to-data ; should have filled Multimedia and Automotive some time ago, but always have few free time :) | 13:53 |
| Tarnyko | (Automotive should definitely mention Automotive Message Broker and HVAC plugin) | 13:54 |
| radiofree | thanks Tarnyko | 13:55 |
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| radiofree | is there a slightly faster mirror for the agl qemu demo somewhere? | 15:13 |
| radiofree | i'm getting a blistering 60KB/s from download.automotivelinux.org | 15:14 |
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| CTtpollard | Tarnyko ? ^ | 15:26 |
| radiofree | i think it's the network connection from here to there | 15:36 |
| rjek | I get similarly dire performance from all my co-lo boxes | 15:37 |
| Tarnyko | CTtpollard, radiofree: we only distribute Porter images on iot.bzh, guess my performances are similar for download.automotivelinux.org | 15:50 |
| radiofree | i finally downloaded it (via another server) | 15:53 |
| radiofree | however it just boots into weston-desktop-shell? | 15:53 |
| radiofree | is there a readme for this anywhere? | 15:53 |
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| radiofree | aha! | 16:00 |
| Tarnyko | radiofree: want to see the CES demo ? "cd /opt/AGL/CES2016; /usr/bin/qt5/qmlscene -I imports Main.qml" shoud do the trick (there is a doc+script for it in a repository) | 16:00 |
| radiofree | cp /opt/AGL/CES2016/weston.ini.ivi-shell /root/.config/weston.ini | 16:00 |
| radiofree | then start_CES2016_ivi-shell.sh | 16:00 |
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| Tarnyko | well done :) | 16:01 |
| JEEB | are there building instructions/bitbake repos for that kind of stuff? | 16:01 |
| radiofree | ok, thanks Tarnyko, that probably should be documentated on the download page though :) | 16:01 |
| Tarnyko | I'm supposed to be the wiki guy, so I'm writing down this :) | 16:07 |
| Tarnyko | JEEB: yes, in the README.md at the root of "meta-agl-demo" and on https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/source-code | 16:08 |
| JEEB | cool | 16:09 |
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| radiofree | Tartarus: the resolution is way off in qemu btw | 16:52 |
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| radiofree | Tartarus: sorry, wrong nick | 16:53 |
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| CTtpollard | radiofree: can't you change that when you launch qemu? | 16:54 |
| radiofree | i recompiled the kernel with CONFIG_FB_VESA=y yes | 16:55 |
| radiofree | althought is that a qemu option? | 16:55 |
| radiofree | s/that/there | 16:55 |
| CTtpollard | looking at the commands used to boot the gdp qemu kvm image, it uses --append "vga=0 uvesafb.mode_option=640x480-32" | 16:55 |
| radiofree | i tried vga=... will give vesafb a go | 16:56 |
| radiofree | if it's not compiled into their kernel though... | 16:56 |
| radiofree | i don't think that worked | 16:59 |
| CTtpollard | :/ | 16:59 |
| radiofree | no it did, thanks | 17:00 |
| radiofree | CTtpollard: do you know if the mesa swrast driver is compiled with llvm in these images? | 17:00 |
| radiofree | it's pretty slow | 17:01 |
| radiofree | (egl performance) | 17:01 |
| CTtpollard | CTtpollard: is this agl or gdp? | 17:01 |
| radiofree | AGL | 17:02 |
| CTtpollard | I don't sorry, I can look into it though | 17:02 |
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| CTtpollard | radiofree: not sure if you can pull what you want to know from here http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/recipes-graphics/mesa/mesa.inc?h=dizzy (presuming it was built from poky dizzy) | 17:05 |
| radiofree | that means absolutely nothing to me | 17:06 |
| radiofree | it doesn't matter anyway, i just need to prod around | 17:06 |
| CTtpollard | if it's the swrast gallium driver, then it looks like it was llvm | 17:07 |
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| mrobinson | Does wayland-ivi-extension have a bug tracker? | 21:49 |
| mrobinson | Ah, I just found: http://bugs.genivi.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Wayland%20IVI%20Extension | 21:50 |
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