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| CTtpollard | good morning | 08:08 |
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| toscalix | Reminder: we will have the GENIVI Tools Team today at 10:00 UTC | 08:23 |
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| jbocklage | will the steering committee call take place today? | 08:59 |
| toscalix | GENIVI BIT telco haven't finished yet so we will start the GDP call in a few minutes | 09:02 |
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| gmacario | Where can I get WebEx details for the GENIVI Tools Team meeting? I do not see an invite in my calendar | 09:05 |
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| gmacario | toscalix: Where can I get WebEx details for the GDP meeting? I do not see an invite in my calendar | 09:07 |
| toscalix | https://genivi.webex.com/mw3000/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=genivi | 09:08 |
| paulsherwood | presumably those details are the same for the tools meeting - it follows on? | 09:08 |
| gmacario | Got the email, strangely enough there was no calendar invite | 09:08 |
| gmacario | Thanks paulsherwood | 09:09 |
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| toscalix | report: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GENIVI+Demo+Platform+maintenance+management#GENIVIDemoPlatformmaintenancemanagement-Activityreports | 09:11 |
| gmacario | I wrongly assumed that WebEx was the same as the previous BIT telco :-( | 09:12 |
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| paulsherwood | gmacario: yup, sorry - i think the aim is to move to webex audio now | 09:13 |
| paulsherwood | and the BIT stays private, so has to be different details | 09:13 |
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| toscalix | roadmap: https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GENIVI+Demo+Platform+%28G.D.P.%29+Roadmap | 09:38 |
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| jeremiah_ | toscalix: Sorry I can't make the call today, but I will try to next week. | 09:44 |
| toscalix | I will update you in our call | 09:45 |
| jeremiah_ | Thank you | 09:45 |
| rjek | https://threatpost.com/serious-linux-kernel-vulnerability-patched/115923/ <-- Linux 3.8 or newer? Have the keyring functionality enabled? (You probably do.) Your untrusted local users can get root. | 09:48 |
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| toscalix | GENIVI Tools Team Meeting in 7 min. aprox. | 09:53 |
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| toscalix | == GENIVI Tools Meeting week 03 Jan 20th 2016 == | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Chair today: Agustin Benito (toscalix) | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Time: 1 hour | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Agenda | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Update action items: https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=8&view=detail&selectedIssue=TOOL-6 | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Objectives for 2016Q1 | 10:00 |
| toscalix | AOB | 10:00 |
| toscalix | Any other topic that cannot be part of AOB that we should discuss? | 10:00 |
| gmacario | Hi there again! Nothing more from myself | 10:00 |
| toscalix | 5 | 10:01 |
| toscalix | 4 | 10:01 |
| toscalix | 3 | 10:01 |
| toscalix | 2 | 10:01 |
| toscalix | 1 | 10:01 |
| toscalix | ok.... | 10:01 |
| toscalix | Update Action Items | 10:01 |
| toscalix | I created a Kanban Board for this group | 10:01 |
| toscalix | and put the backlog into review state, so we can go through them now | 10:01 |
| toscalix | the goals is to move those either to ToDo or to In progress if there is somebody that will execute it, including a soft deadline so I can keep track of when I should include them | 10:02 |
| toscalix | in the agenda here | 10:02 |
| toscalix | let's go for the first one, GDP-6 | 10:03 |
| toscalix | discuss Franca/Franca_installation_automation relationship | 10:03 |
| toscalix | Any taker? | 10:03 |
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| gmacario | GDP-6? | 10:04 |
| toscalix | sorry :-) | 10:04 |
| toscalix | Tool-6 | 10:04 |
| toscalix | https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/TOOL-6 | 10:04 |
| gunnarx | catching up... going to fast... :) | 10:04 |
| toscalix | sorry...will slow down | 10:04 |
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| gunnarx | I had also created a general Tools Kanban board (rapidView=6). I will delete it. I thought boards were visible in the "Boards" menu automatically, but no, only when you have visited it once | 10:05 |
| gunnarx | So rapidView=8 it is. | 10:06 |
| toscalix | https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=8 | 10:06 |
| toscalix | yes | 10:06 |
| gunnarx | Next, checking the query being used | 10:06 |
| gunnarx | ok, same as I have, not including the CIAT issues | 10:07 |
| gunnarx | OK I have caught up now :) | 10:07 |
| gunnarx | We can look at Go-specific board after we're done with Tools board, OK? | 10:08 |
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| toscalix | ok. I was asking about Tool-6 | 10:08 |
| gunnarx | yes | 10:08 |
| toscalix | If there is no taker....let's move on | 10:08 |
| gunnarx | Was assigned to klaus birken | 10:08 |
| gunnarx | is klaus here? | 10:09 |
| gunnarx | It's right now an open question to Klaus basically, I would suggest assigning him again, and pinging him if there is no progress... | 10:09 |
| toscalix | it seems no... I will ping him | 10:09 |
| toscalix | Next one is Tool-11 | 10:09 |
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| toscalix | Ensure any hosting/publishing of images meets LRT requirements | 10:10 |
| toscalix | I take that one since it is related to the work we are doing at GDP | 10:10 |
| toscalix | I will provide a soft deadline after the meeting | 10:11 |
| gunnarx | ok | 10:11 |
| philrob | Klaus is travelling this week (PST) | 10:11 |
| toscalix | Next one... Tool-12 | 10:11 |
| gunnarx | hang on toscalix . | 10:11 |
| gunnarx | the labels on tool-11? | 10:11 |
| toscalix | ok | 10:11 |
| gunnarx | cont_integration <- are we using that | 10:11 |
| toscalix | yes... some labels are being used already. There is a labels catalogue that is being used by GDP | 10:12 |
| gunnarx | currently "CIAT" means Go-server related issues basically. I was meaning to discuss that when we talk about that Kanban board. | 10:12 |
| gunnarx | catalogue on wiki? | 10:12 |
| toscalix | I have as action item together with joel to create a general catalogue | 10:12 |
| toscalix | Wiki page: | 10:12 |
| gunnarx | ok | 10:12 |
| toscalix | https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/GDP/GENIVI+Demo+Platform+maintenance+management#GENIVIDemoPlatformmaintenancemanagement-Labelscatalogue | 10:13 |
| gunnarx | I propose don't use the label "compliance" in the meaning "FOSS license compliance", not in GENIVI where it has another meaning :) | 10:13 |
| toscalix | we need a catalogue to ensure two people do not use different labels for the same thing...in JIRA and Confluence | 10:14 |
| gmacario | toscalix: +1 | 10:14 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: good point | 10:14 |
| gunnarx | ok thanks for the wiki link | 10:14 |
| gmacario | And possible fewer instance of JIRA and Confluence :P | 10:15 |
| gunnarx | "compliance" is not listed in the catalogue so we're ok | 10:15 |
| toscalix | should we go for Tools 12 now? | 10:15 |
| gunnarx | Propose to add "license_compliance"? | 10:15 |
| toscalix | will add it. | 10:15 |
| philrob | +1 | 10:15 |
| gunnarx | added. ok tool-12 | 10:16 |
| gunnarx | can someone email the question out to mailing lists? | 10:17 |
| toscalix | I added an issue about it | 10:17 |
| toscalix | I take it | 10:18 |
| gunnarx | ? isn't tool-12 the issue? | 10:18 |
| gunnarx | you add a subtask to do something to fulfil tool-12 :-) | 10:18 |
| toscalix | tool-38 about the label | 10:19 |
| toscalix | ah, wait, the mail question is about Tool-12, ok, sorry | 10:19 |
| toscalix | So tools-12 is about opening the discussion in a wider forum? | 10:20 |
| toscalix | can we assign to somebody to make a proposal about this or to drive the discussion? | 10:20 |
| gunnarx | toscalix: 10:16 <gunnarx> added. ok tool-12 | 10:20 |
| gunnarx | added means I already added the license_compliance label to the wiki page. | 10:20 |
| gunnarx | we work fast here :) | 10:20 |
| toscalix | :-) | 10:21 |
| toscalix | how it should be | 10:21 |
| toscalix | who takes the responsibility of driving the discussion about Tool-12? | 10:21 |
| toscalix | let's move on then | 10:22 |
| toscalix | Tool-14 | 10:22 |
| toscalix | choose code review approach for go.cd pipelines... | 10:22 |
| toscalix | Codethink is testing the plugin gerrti-go.cd | 10:22 |
| toscalix | gerrit | 10:22 |
| gunnarx | makes sense to me | 10:23 |
| toscalix | but that is just one tool | 10:23 |
| toscalix | The idea of the issue is to explore other options too | 10:23 |
| gunnarx | Well gerrit provides code review as we know | 10:23 |
| gunnarx | When it comes to go, what you want is to build proposed patches... usually done by integrating gerrit with the build tool | 10:24 |
| toscalix | As soon as we get to valid conclusions we will bring them here | 10:24 |
| gunnarx | if you want alternatives, provide commit access to a repo to anyone. proposed patches go to a branch, the branch is built by build tool the normal way | 10:24 |
| gunnarx | reporting on the result... either ask submitters to manually monitor build tool... there are also desktop widgets for build status | 10:25 |
| toscalix | So we can go back to this issue when we bring our results. Are you ok with this? | 10:25 |
| gunnarx | well that's the alternative I can come up with atm | 10:25 |
| gunnarx | Sure. But how? Email a request for feedback then? | 10:25 |
| toscalix | I will include it in the issue itself | 10:25 |
| toscalix | you can watch it so you get notified | 10:26 |
| toscalix | then we decide how to proceed (mail...or call) | 10:26 |
| gunnarx | ok | 10:27 |
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| gunnarx | welcome pavelk, tools meeting ongoing :) | 10:27 |
| pavelk | great! | 10:27 |
| toscalix | Next one then... Tool-22 | 10:27 |
| gunnarx | pavelk : https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=8 | 10:27 |
| toscalix | Build DLT-Viewer | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | That one should have the go label | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | Actually it does have it, but it has one more label so the query includes it | 10:28 |
| toscalix | adding it | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | which it shouldn't | 10:28 |
| toscalix | ah, ok | 10:28 |
| gunnarx | but I don't know how to write that query better either, I tried | 10:28 |
| toscalix | labels in capital letters is not a good idea with this tool since it is case sensitive | 10:29 |
| gunnarx | can't find a useful way to query on "includes" a label, only "equal to" | 10:29 |
| gunnarx | it is? | 10:29 |
| toscalix | yep | 10:29 |
| gunnarx | I just followed Paul's lead :) | 10:29 |
| toscalix | this tools needs management | 10:29 |
| toscalix | power comes with a price | 10:30 |
| gunnarx | ok, well anyhow, skip tool-22, we'll take it in the Go review | 10:30 |
| toscalix | ok | 10:30 |
| toscalix | Tool-24 | 10:30 |
| toscalix | As you probably know, we are working on having simple acceptance tests in GDP | 10:31 |
| toscalix | but that is just a little aspect. | 10:31 |
| pavelk | toscalix: what framework do you use? | 10:31 |
| toscalix | none | 10:31 |
| stevel_ | I plan to reconnect with Collabora on use of their LAVA farm in coming weeks | 10:31 |
| toscalix | we will go for scripts at the beginning | 10:31 |
| pavelk | OK, are there any sample available? | 10:32 |
| toscalix | not yet | 10:32 |
| toscalix | we are still working on making the images available to then check licenses | 10:32 |
| gunnarx | for deploying/running tests there's LAVA, or as said before we could investigate JTA | 10:32 |
| toscalix | somebody needs to take ownership of this tasks and bring a proposal | 10:33 |
| stevel_ | At very least JTA should have some test cases | 10:33 |
| toscalix | or at least move this topic forward | 10:33 |
| stevel_ | Happy to take sub-task to work with collabora on LAVA | 10:33 |
| gunnarx | for writing the test code there are different contributions from different companies. If a company writing a component has their own preferred way they won't change, but normally it's possible to run and collect results from different ones. | 10:33 |
| gunnarx | For newly written component tests I'd cast a vote for gtest (google test) | 10:34 |
| toscalix | stevel_: can you add the subtask yourself? | 10:34 |
| stevel_ | Sure if you want. | 10:34 |
| toscalix | go ahead please | 10:34 |
| stevel_ | I was assuming lead wanted to be one to add. But I can do :) | 10:34 |
| toscalix | this is not "my kanban" but ours :-) | 10:34 |
| toscalix | great, thank you | 10:35 |
| toscalix | Next one is Tool-27 | 10:35 |
| stevel_ | Viva Freedom! | 10:35 |
| toscalix | Mapping of Franca IDL constants to the UML model missing in YAMAICA | 10:36 |
| pavelk | Tools-27 looks more like a feature request for Yamaica | 10:36 |
| pavelk | ...and as such into their issue tracker | 10:36 |
| gunnarx | which means bugzilla? until migration is completed? | 10:37 |
| pavelk | I don't know what they currently use | 10:37 |
| toscalix | who is the main contact for YAMAICA? | 10:37 |
| gunnarx | http://bugs.genivi.org/buglist.cgi?product=Franca%20Tooling&component=YAMAICAea&resolution=---&list_id=3836 | 10:37 |
| gmacario | According to http://projects.genivi.org/yamaica/community this is http://bugs.genivi.org/buglist.cgi?product=Franca%20Tooling&component=YAMAICA and http://bugs.genivi.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Franca%20Tooling | 10:37 |
| pavelk | I suspect this is Manfred Bathelt | 10:38 |
| gmacario | Main contacts are Manfred Bathelt and Juergen Gehring - See http://projects.genivi.org/yamaica/contact-us | 10:38 |
| gunnarx | yes and Manfred is the default assignee on a new bugzilla | 10:38 |
| toscalix | thanks gmacario Then I will contact them so see how they want to handle this request | 10:39 |
| gunnarx | We should just transfer it to bugzilla I suppose? | 10:39 |
| toscalix | That is my thought but since we are migrating...let's see. | 10:40 |
| toscalix | I will contact them first, just in case | 10:40 |
| toscalix | ok? | 10:40 |
| gmacario | Yes and BTW I see zero bugs in Bugzilla so far | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, these tools issues we're discussing, they are for driving tools forward | 10:40 |
| gunnarx | bug reports go to specific projects I assume, not to tools project? | 10:41 |
| gunnarx | ^^ bug and feature requests | 10:41 |
| toscalix | exactly, but seems it was added here as action item, I want to make sure we close it properly | 10:41 |
| gmacario | One suggestion for driving tools forward is speeding up killing old tools | 10:41 |
| toscalix | gmacario: I hope that is the outcome of this | 10:42 |
| toscalix | :-) | 10:42 |
| gunnarx | so as I see it, bugs will in the future go into JIRA but under a different project, but at the moment bugzilla still being used for the bugs | 10:42 |
| toscalix | in GDP we are about to stop using bugzilla for bugs, moving them to JIRA and making a note in every open bug | 10:43 |
| toscalix | we are still talking about how to do that | 10:43 |
| gunnarx | if you agree then I suggest to transfer TOOL-27 to bugzilla, but of course toscalix, if you feel like sending an email you cna | 10:43 |
| toscalix | we will publish a mail about it | 10:43 |
| toscalix | and talk to Joel | 10:43 |
| gunnarx | unfortunately the original requesting person has been lost in various moves between systems, because I assume it's not a feature request from paulsherwood | 10:43 |
| toscalix | Since this is the first time I go through this, I prefer to talk to them first instead of putting a feature request directly in bugzilla | 10:44 |
| philrob | seems wise | 10:44 |
| toscalix | but the default behaviour should be to go to whatever tool they are using ... yes | 10:44 |
| gunnarx | it's up to you, but I don't see it | 10:44 |
| gunnarx | but yes, since you will look like the person requesting, it might be weird to just put it in bugzilla | 10:45 |
| gunnarx | pavelk, are you or could you be a champion for this feature request? | 10:45 |
| pavelk | Which one? Tools-27? | 10:46 |
| toscalix | I propose myself to do it | 10:46 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, again up to you, but there is really no need to agree that bugs/feature requests are reported in bugzilla. this is already the process. maintainers _should_ expect to get them | 10:46 |
| gunnarx | and react to them. | 10:46 |
| toscalix | agree | 10:46 |
| gunnarx | imho | 10:46 |
| toscalix | I just do not know them so... | 10:46 |
| gunnarx | pavelk, yes tool-27, just looking for a champion | 10:46 |
| gunnarx | because I don't know who made the request originally | 10:46 |
| toscalix | I have a lot in my plate, if pavelk takes it over...I will be happy | 10:47 |
| toscalix | 13 min to go | 10:47 |
| pavelk | I don't use Yamaica, but can move the request to Bugzilla | 10:47 |
| toscalix | pavelk: assigned. Thank you | 10:48 |
| toscalix | Tool-29 | 10:48 |
| pavelk | toscalix: skipping Tools-28? | 10:48 |
| toscalix | it has assignee | 10:49 |
| pavelk | Ah, OK | 10:49 |
| toscalix | I am concentrating right now in those that don't | 10:49 |
| toscalix | that is, the ones I am as assignee | 10:49 |
| pavelk | Understood | 10:49 |
| gunnarx | tool-29 was more of a tools team charter thing, goal setting, working towards better / wider tool testing on multiple platforms | 10:49 |
| pavelk | It overlaps with Tool-24... | 10:50 |
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| toscalix | I think that we need somebody that put some though in testing and drive a discussion that leads into a proposal | 10:50 |
| toscalix | so we merge all this issues into a single one | 10:50 |
| gunnarx | tool-24 is a little more focused. | 10:50 |
| toscalix | yes | 10:50 |
| gunnarx | I could bring the question to YAMAICA team but then the general goal setting would be lost | 10:51 |
| pavelk | gunnarx: so tool-24 is a subissue of tool-29? | 10:51 |
| gunnarx | don't know | 10:51 |
| toscalix | I would say so. We can put it as sub-task | 10:51 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, maybe worth thinking about how to organize tool team higher-level goals, compared to actions | 10:51 |
| toscalix | the second point for today was.... 2016Q1 goals | 10:52 |
| gunnarx | :) | 10:52 |
| toscalix | we will have no time...but yes | 10:52 |
| gunnarx | I can own tool-29 if you want, but it's a long term goal thing | 10:52 |
| toscalix | let's leave the testing topic for that discussion? | 10:52 |
| gunnarx | ok | 10:53 |
| philrob | we discussed with Manfred how to recycle the CommonAPI C++ test suite in the context of CIAT, Manfred was requested to provide Jenkins job configuration to enable more analysis | 10:53 |
| pavelk | It looks like tool-29 is more about testing the /tools/, while tools-24 is about a tool for testing | 10:53 |
| gunnarx | pavelk, you are right | 10:53 |
| toscalix | philrob: I would appreciate if you add a comment on the task itself describing what was discussed, or a link we can follow, at least | 10:53 |
| philrob | will do | 10:53 |
| toscalix | philrob: thanks | 10:54 |
| toscalix | Tool-29...we skip it for now | 10:54 |
| gunnarx | philrob, jenkins job for building is not really necessary, we already build commonapi tools on go server. but if it is for testing, yes | 10:54 |
| toscalix | Tool-30 | 10:54 |
| toscalix | Seems a reminder note from a previous meeting | 10:55 |
| gunnarx | oh, another big lofty goal :) | 10:55 |
| toscalix | I wonder if any of you remember an action item out of this discussion | 10:55 |
| pavelk | there are some initial thought on the (private) wiki | 10:55 |
| toscalix | It is stated as Improvement | 10:55 |
| gunnarx | I have much outstanding work to do so I shouldn't take this on... | 10:55 |
| toscalix | What I would reuqet then is an Asignee to move it forward or leave it as it is for now | 10:56 |
| gunnarx | but a picture outlining goals for target vs host dev environment would help communication a lot | 10:56 |
| toscalix | s/reuquet/request | 10:56 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: if you are too busy, I prefer to leave it as it is than having it in the backlog forever | 10:57 |
| toscalix | since it will increase the Tolls team management cost to add it to the backlog (ToDo) | 10:57 |
| pavelk | toscalix: the earlier strategy was to find volunteers to document their ways to build components for GEnIVI | 10:57 |
| gunnarx | well it relates to things we must do imho | 10:57 |
| toscalix | understood | 10:58 |
| toscalix | any taker to move this forward? | 10:58 |
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| toscalix | 2 min left... | 10:58 |
| gunnarx | no but I'll add some comment to clarify next steps | 10:58 |
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| toscalix | that is a step forward, thanks | 10:59 |
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| toscalix | lats one.... Tool-31 | 10:59 |
| toscalix | Test Eclipse Automotive release as basis for franca_install_automation instead of Eclipse DSL release | 10:59 |
| toscalix | any taker to move this issue forward? | 11:00 |
| pavelk | Somebody remembers who was the originator? | 11:00 |
| gunnarx | me | 11:00 |
| gunnarx | I wanted Klaus to help me out on it. | 11:00 |
| gunnarx | give me a sec | 11:00 |
| pavelk | In my rough understanding, Eclipse Automotive has a different scope, but this is to be verified | 11:01 |
| gunnarx | ok, info from trello is not moved over. so we follow the Trello link to get the status? | 11:02 |
| pavelk | Eclipse DSL is for tools developers. Eclipse automotive seems to be for automotive software developers | 11:02 |
| gmacario | I need to leave now. Talk to you soon! | 11:02 |
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| toscalix | gmacario: thanks | 11:02 |
| pavelk | the task might be then about packaging franca and CAPI tools for Eclipse Automotive | 11:03 |
| gunnarx | It's simply whethere franca_install_automation should be based on Eclipse Automotive or not | 11:04 |
| pavelk | Oh, I take it back: "The EAIWG will define and maintain the requirements, a technical architecture and a roadmap that defines a common platform for the development and management tools required for the automotive electronic development processes. " | 11:04 |
| toscalix | gunnarx: is it ok to put this in your plate so next week you report your conversation with Klaus? | 11:04 |
| gunnarx | I've not been able to get good input from creators of Eclipse Automotive, which I believe is Klaus' company | 11:04 |
| gunnarx | toscalix, yes, assign me | 11:04 |
| toscalix | ok | 11:04 |
| gunnarx | and I'll assign klaus, or kill it :) | 11:04 |
| philrob | assign it to klaus | 11:05 |
| toscalix | So we are done. 5 min past | 11:05 |
| toscalix | sorry for the delay | 11:05 |
| toscalix | we will finish here | 11:05 |
| toscalix | 5 | 11:06 |
| toscalix | 4 | 11:06 |
| toscalix | 3 | 11:06 |
| toscalix | 2 | 11:06 |
| toscalix | 1 | 11:06 |
| toscalix | == GENIVI Tools Meeting End == | 11:06 |
| toscalix | I gess after this meeting marathon, since it is the first time...some need a coffee break :-) | 11:08 |
| toscalix | thank you for participating/following up the meeting. It was a tedious but neccessary one | 11:09 |
| toscalix | I beliueve | 11:09 |
| toscalix | believe | 11:09 |
| gunnarx | Sure it's necessary to go through all open topics but I was missing discussions about way-of-working not covered today. We had not the time to look at the Go-server related board | 11:13 |
| gunnarx | some things hard to discuss effectively on IRC | 11:14 |
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| gunnarx | I notice the tools kanban board query includes the Go pipeline cards. I would propose a query that excludes them since they are on a separate board. | 11:15 |
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| toscalix | I will try to create a filter expluding the label "CIAT" | 11:17 |
| toscalix | excluding | 11:17 |
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| toscalix | a question is.... if go.cd is already in production... would it make sense to treat it like any other "team" | 11:18 |
| toscalix | I mean... its own project? | 11:19 |
| toscalix | we can also move there what we are doing related with go and CIAT | 11:19 |
| toscalix | we do not need to do it now though | 11:20 |
| pedroalvarez | toscalix: we are waiting for you in the meeting | 11:21 |
| pedroalvarez | :/ | 11:21 |
| pedroalvarez | err.. wrong window | 11:21 |
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| pedroalvarez | so, has anybody tried appear.in ? | 11:29 |
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| CTtpollard | it does look good, I like that you can screen share a specific application, and not just the desktop | 11:30 |
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| gunnarx | toscalix, yes that's what I wanted to agree upon. Options: Use the label as of now, add a "component" instead (makes most sense), or make it an own project. I think for me the component option would be fine. | 11:51 |
| gunnarx | pedroalvarez, tried once, didn't work :) | 11:52 |
| gunnarx | needed chrome to work, which defeats the whole purpose :) | 11:53 |
| gunnarx | seriously, I guess it *should* work with firefox | 11:53 |
| pedroalvarez | :/ | 11:57 |
| pedroalvarez | didn't expect it to not work for some browsers | 11:57 |
| CTtpollard | it claims to work with firefox | 11:58 |
| CTtpollard | wfm | 11:59 |
| rjek | win 23 | 11:59 |
| rjek | ^/ | 11:59 |
| pedroalvarez | tbf i haven't tried a real call. Just opened the app | 12:00 |
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| gunnarx | WebRTC is cool, if it works | 12:11 |
| pedroalvarez | as an alternative to have the meetings? | 12:14 |
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| gunnarx | http://iswebrtcready.appear.in/ | 12:38 |
| gunnarx | success! (with firefox) | 12:38 |
| pedroalvarez | haha | 12:42 |
| pedroalvarez | I understand your previous comment now. Didn't know appear.in used WebRTC | 12:42 |
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| gunnarx | sure | 12:43 |
| gunnarx | the base library is open source too github/appearin | 12:43 |
| radiofree | hmm is there a known issue with qt5.5 (+ qtwayland ivi-shell patches in qt's gerrit) and ivi-extension? | 12:44 |
| radiofree | the ivi-shell component of the patches work (things show up in hmi-controller) | 12:44 |
| gunnarx | actually maybe it's just the rest api binding/sdk they published. haven't looked in detail | 12:44 |
| radiofree | however when you use ivi-extension the qt app crashes when you make it visible | 12:44 |
| radiofree | (i.e make the surface visible on a visible layer... up until that point it's fine) | 12:45 |
| gunnarx | radiofree, what system, what configuration? | 12:45 |
| radiofree | erm.. it's a non-genivi system running on a jetson, weston 1.9 | 12:45 |
| gunnarx | oh | 12:46 |
| gunnarx | try it on GDP so someone can help you ;-) | 12:46 |
| radiofree | ivi-extension does work, it's just Qt apps + QtWayland 5.5.1 crash under there | 12:46 |
| gunnarx | maybe someone can help you anyway... | 12:46 |
| * radiofree will give that a go | 12:47 | |
| CTtpollard | I've got a dev branch of gdp working with weston 1.6 and qtwayland 5.4.2 | 12:48 |
| radiofree | i'll debug a bit more first, it's odd it works fine in ivi-shell using hmi-controller, i wonder what ivi-extension is doing to crash it | 12:48 |
| CTtpollard | I believe agl have a later version of qtwayland working with ivi shell | 12:48 |
| radiofree | yes, this version works with ivi-shell, it just doesn't work with ivi-extension | 12:48 |
| CTtpollard | my build is using extension 1.2 | 12:50 |
| CTtpollard | pedroalvarez: what extension were you trying with weston1.9? | 12:50 |
| radiofree | right, ivi-shell and ivi-extension *work* | 12:50 |
| radiofree | qt apps using qtwayland *with ivi-shell patches* upgraded to qt 5.5.1 work in ivi-shell (i.e stock upstream weston with ivi-shell/hmi-controller and the fancy window manager demo) | 12:51 |
| pedroalvarez | wayland-ivi-extension but was with qt5.4 | 12:51 |
| radiofree | qt (and *only* qt) apps *don't* work when using ivi-extension | 12:51 |
| radiofree | they work up until the point (i.e get surface, add to layer, move... region etc....) you make them visible | 12:52 |
| radiofree | then bam! segfault! | 12:52 |
| radiofree | using patch set 7 from https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/121297/ | 12:53 |
| radiofree | patch set 7 being the last patch set before they were reworked to apply to the dev branch for 5.6 | 12:53 |
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| radiofree | using qt 5.5.x will be better in the gdp, you don't have to patch qtmultimedia to use gstreamer 1.0 anymore | 13:00 |
| radiofree | well, better in gdp if this ivi-extension bug can be fixed... | 13:00 |
| gunnarx | radiofree, what is this "non-genivi" system you are talking about? makes no sense to me... | 13:00 |
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| radiofree | gunnarx: i'm not working on the gdp, or genivi, i've just noticed ivi-extension doesn't work with qt5.6 | 13:04 |
| radiofree | 5.5 even | 13:04 |
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| paulsherwood | gunnarx: were you joking? there are non-genivi systems in the world :) | 13:29 |
| gunnarx | in a meeting, will explain later :) | 13:29 |
| paulsherwood | k | 13:31 |
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| pedroalvarez | gunnarx: from appear.in "Video conversations with up to 8 people for free." | 14:25 |
| paulsherwood | +11 for appear.in | 14:26 |
| pedroalvarez | we are just giving it a try, and it works nicely | 14:28 |
| pedroalvarez | although it seems you can't share your screen from firefox | 14:28 |
| radiofree | :( | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | chrome? | 14:30 |
| CTtpollard | wfm | 14:32 |
| radiofree | can you share your screen with any browser in appear.in? | 14:32 |
| radiofree | requires an extension | 14:33 |
| radiofree | (in chrome) | 14:33 |
| CTtpollard | did not request a plugin for me, and I can share specific applications not just the screen | 14:34 |
| radiofree | works in firefox hello | 14:34 |
| radiofree | CTtpollard: in appear.in? | 14:34 |
| CTtpollard | yup | 14:35 |
| CTtpollard | ahhh, it appears I have the extension installed | 14:35 |
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| CTtpollard | no idea when I enabled that | 14:36 |
| radiofree | talky.io works with screen sharing | 14:39 |
| radiofree | how many people can join that? | 14:39 |
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| pedroalvarez | appear.in? 8 | 14:43 |
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| radiofree | pedroalvarez: no, talky.io | 14:44 |
| pedroalvarez | don't know then | 14:44 |
| pedroalvarez | "Add over 15 people to the conversation." | 14:46 |
| radiofree | and screensharing works without any plugins | 14:47 |
| CTtpollard | cool | 14:47 |
| gunnarx | Well... it allows me to share web browser only right now. | 14:48 |
| gunnarx | doesn't seem 100% | 14:48 |
| gunnarx | https://talky.io/coolstuff | 14:48 |
| gunnarx | lol, they have an integrated game to play while you wait | 14:50 |
| radiofree | terminal sharing works for me, this is important :) | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | I had a few friends for a short while, but then they left :( | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | Seems to work though :) | 14:52 |
| pedroalvarez | heh | 14:52 |
| pedroalvarez | requested me to install a plugin for screen sharing, but thats ok | 14:52 |
| gunnarx | Oh, I guess I was not identified either. "Your Name" | 14:53 |
| gunnarx | what? did talky.io do that? | 14:53 |
| radiofree | pedroalvarez: talky? | 14:53 |
| gunnarx | here no plugin, just accepting access to audio and video | 14:53 |
| pedroalvarez | radiofree: yeh | 14:54 |
| radiofree | yep, no plugin, and i shared my terminal window | 14:54 |
| pedroalvarez | using chrome here | 14:54 |
| radiofree | pedroalvarez: in firefox? | 14:54 |
| pedroalvarez | i can try again | 14:54 |
| gunnarx | ff for the win | 14:54 |
| pedroalvarez | "Chrome requires a helper extension available from the Chrome Web Store. You can pick a window or desktop to share, which helps a lot when using multiple monitors!" | 14:55 |
| gunnarx | pedro, create your own room and try it. | 14:56 |
| gunnarx | hint: use arrow keys to control the space ship | 14:56 |
| gunnarx | :) | 14:56 |
| pedroalvarez | oh!! | 14:56 |
| pedroalvarez | that's awesome | 14:57 |
| radiofree | it's settled then ;) | 14:57 |
| jbocklage | Steering Committee meeting? | 15:04 |
| pedroalvarez | hah | 15:04 |
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| gunnarx | the damn lander game is worse than flappy bird, will drive you insane! | 15:15 |
| gunnarx | \o/ I just landed. Need to stop now. | 15:16 |
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| toscalix | jeremiah: suggested Jitsi for GDP calls https://jitsi.org/Main/Features any experience having several people in the video conference? | 15:56 |
| toscalix | if not, I can try | 15:57 |
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