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| weston | paulsherwood: congrats | 11:59 |
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| paulsherwood | weston: tvm :) | 12:01 |
| weston | paulsherwood: my place name :) | 12:04 |
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| paulsherwood | GENIVI Tools Team meeting starts here 14:00 | 13:50 |
| paulsherwood | (uk time... ie 10 mins from now) | 13:50 |
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| gmacario | Hi there! | 13:57 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: hi there :) | 13:57 |
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| manfred_ | hi guys | 13:57 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: i see you've been doing some stuff with jenkins | 13:57 |
| gunnarx | Hi manfred_ | 13:57 |
| gunnarx | Any new software to look at now? :) | 13:57 |
| gmacario | pausherwood: How did you figure out :P | 13:57 |
| manfred_ | didn´t have time to push the launch yet. but its approved | 13:58 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: confluence | 13:59 |
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Starts == | 14:00 |
| paulsherwood | hi all | 14:00 |
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| paulsherwood | usual draft agenda https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/TT-minutes-20151116 | 14:00 |
| gunnarx | looks familiar... | 14:00 |
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| paulsherwood | last week's minutes https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/TT-minutes-20151109 | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | first up - any proposed additions to agend or AOB today? | 14:01 |
| gmacario | Agenda is OK to me | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | cool... | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | shall we begin? :) | 14:02 |
| gunnarx | +1 | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | - Build Tools - | 14:02 |
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| gunnarx | A few new pull requests on franca automation. | 14:03 |
| * paulsherwood notes that codethink did receive info from gunnarx and is expecting to contribute to the gocd pilot | 14:03 | |
| gunnarx | can you say again? | 14:03 |
| gunnarx | I sent you some info last week I think | 14:04 |
| gmacario | gunnarx: How about moving official franca_install_automation to git.projects.genivi.org - has the proces started? | 14:04 |
| paulsherwood | that what i said, gunnarx - you did your action | 14:04 |
| paulsherwood | we need to do ours now :) | 14:04 |
| gunnarx | ah, ok. hard to parse :) | 14:04 |
| gmacario | May I be forwarded same info about the gocd pilot? | 14:05 |
| paulsherwood | +1 on making franca_install_automation 'official' | 14:05 |
| gunnarx | gmacario: Maybe it's time soon (franca auto). I think I felt that we should take the first step towards SDK first | 14:05 |
| gunnarx | and the pull request workflow works well for us :) | 14:05 |
| gmacario | So who is owning the process of releasing franca_install_automation on git.projects.genivi.org? | 14:05 |
| gunnarx | We are at the exact same stage as last time we discussed it though. | 14:06 |
| gmacario | And who will be maintaining it? | 14:06 |
| gmacario | Could I suggest to track this as a specific action - i.e. in some issue tracking tools? | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: seems fair enough | 14:06 |
| gunnarx | I'll be happy to continue maintaining for a while. | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | i beleive we've agreed previously to standardise on jira for tracking here | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: would you care to raise that ticket? | 14:07 |
| gunnarx | I'm happy to have more than one committer also for that matter. | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | +1 | 14:07 |
| gmacario | if someone gives me the URL where should I create it - we have so many JIRAs out there | 14:07 |
| gunnarx | lol | 14:08 |
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| paulsherwood | gmacario: https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/secure/Dashboard.jspa | 14:08 |
| * paulsherwood hopes/believes that this should move to a 'proper' genivi url soon | 14:08 | |
| manfred_ | +1 | 14:09 |
| paulsherwood | that's being tracked in pmo, though, not here | 14:09 |
| gmacario | https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/browse/TOOL-8 | 14:09 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: tvm | 14:09 |
| paulsherwood | any more on build tools? | 14:09 |
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| gunnarx | we maybe should wait to see what manfred_ will publish... | 14:10 |
| gunnarx | ? | 14:10 |
| manfred_ | I increasingly get lost to manage all those locations to retrieve relevant information from | 14:10 |
| paulsherwood | manfred_: me too :) | 14:10 |
| gmacario | FYI: just published a short HOWTO to easily run GDP inside VirtualBox: https://t.co/r1KsijPq6D | 14:10 |
| gmacario | (actually not just for GDP but for any Yocto-based images) | 14:11 |
| gunnarx | ... if manfred_ soon coming tools affects strategy in any way. | 14:11 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: i saw that. my only question, is would it be better on the official gdp wiki? | 14:11 |
| manfred_ | you got me gunnar ;D | 14:11 |
| gmacario | I have also submitted a PR against the GENIVI Demo Platform to make it happen: http://bugs.genivi.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413 | 14:11 |
| gunnarx | no, I'm seriously suggesting TT should see if it affects something | 14:11 |
| gunnarx | I'm still not 100% sure if franca_automation overlaps Yamaica for example | 14:11 |
| gmacario | paulsherwood: Well I did it for my own education, but if someone feels it relevant for the official GDP wiki I may submit a PR :-) | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | interesting... who would be best able to answer that, gunnarx ? | 14:12 |
| gunnarx | but maybe more choice is better, and I don't expect Yamaica to include QtCreator installation etc. | 14:12 |
| gunnarx | manfred_ would | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | ack | 14:12 |
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| paulsherwood | gmacario: i think it's relevant - quite a lot of folks uses vbox after all | 14:13 |
| paulsherwood | and it's a lower-friction startpoint than getting a devboard, for example | 14:13 |
| gmacario | So should I publish it under https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/ | 14:13 |
| manfred_ | yamaica installation uses franca installation + its own contents. so yamaica may build upon franca install automation as I understand | 14:13 |
| gmacario | As I expect wiki.projects.genivi.org is going to be phased out soon | 14:13 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, did you try this with GDP? The page talks about core-image-minimal | 14:14 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: yes, i think so. jonathanmaw - do you know what the plan is wrt migrating gdp wiki to confluence? is there one? | 14:14 |
| gmacario | It will work as soon as http://bugs.genivi.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413 is fixed | 14:14 |
| gunnarx | gmacario, yes, new topics are encouraged to go to the new Wiki for sure, I think you know that. | 14:14 |
| gmacario | And it work on my private fork BTW | 14:15 |
| gmacario | works | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | ok, i'm itching to move to next topic | 14:15 |
| gmacario | +1 | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | - UML Modeling - | 14:15 |
| gunnarx | many topics at once | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: that's one of the great things about irc :) | 14:15 |
| gunnarx | manfred_, maybe we could take a little time to talk this through some day | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx, manfred_ - maybe hang around aftert this meeting? | 14:16 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood, the whole wiki needs to migrate of course, what's special about GDP wiki? | 14:16 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: only that it has quite a lot of content, i think :) | 14:16 |
| gunnarx | ok | 14:16 |
| * paulsherwood remains disappointed that there wasn't a script/automation for this | 14:17 | |
| paulsherwood | any advance on uml modeling? | 14:18 |
| * paulsherwood notes that this was approx silent last week... | 14:18 | |
| paulsherwood | is it that the folks who are mainly leading this are not here recently? | 14:18 |
| gunnarx | partly, yes | 14:19 |
| paulsherwood | ok, shall we move on? | 14:19 |
| gunnarx | +1 | 14:19 |
| paulsherwood | - Debugging and Analysis - | 14:19 |
| paulsherwood | ... | 14:20 |
| gunnarx | I would like pull requests, as I said last week :) | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | :-) | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | "gunnarx I have nothing, still would take pull requests on "franca automation" for installing GDB support and similar" | 14:21 |
| gunnarx | yep. similar = valgrind, linux dev tools, whatever already exists in eclipse world | 14:22 |
| paulsherwood | i do think GDP would be improved by having some tools for debugging explcitly included (ideally optional) | 14:22 |
| gunnarx | on a related note configuration management in the eclipse universe seems mind boggling to me. | 14:22 |
| paulsherwood | wschaller, jonathanmaw ^^ :) | 14:23 |
| gunnarx | I'm here to support, not that much work I think if we do it together. | 14:23 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: i'm a commandline kinda guy | 14:23 |
| wschaller | paulsherwood, just catching up, noted | 14:23 |
| paulsherwood | tvm | 14:23 |
| gunnarx | until you break your arm | 14:23 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: i'm back to pushups every morning, thanks for asking :-) | 14:24 |
| gunnarx | glad to hear it | 14:24 |
| paulsherwood | :-) | 14:24 |
| paulsherwood | ok... shall we move on? | 14:24 |
| paulsherwood | - Automated Testing - | 14:25 |
| paulsherwood | afaik there's not been any real progress on this in TT so far... jeremiah and collabora were discussing elsewhere iirc | 14:26 |
| gunnarx | I found this http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Test_suite_for_GDP | 14:26 |
| gunnarx | it's a very basic suggestion how to set up tests but that's all | 14:26 |
| paulsherwood | it's a start! :) | 14:27 |
| gunnarx | yes definitely. a framework | 14:27 |
| paulsherwood | i note that there's been some work done integrating kernel tests into agl... | 14:27 |
| paulsherwood | and it immediately exposed the question of what to do when most of them break... | 14:27 |
| gunnarx | does agl modify the kernel much | 14:28 |
| gunnarx | is it in combination with various weird bsps... what's breaking? | 14:28 |
| pavelk | gunnarx: it's mostly because of disable kernel config options | 14:28 |
| gunnarx | ok, makes sense | 14:28 |
| paulsherwood | right... but then the question is whether to enable the stuff (even though it may not be relevant for agl) or disable the tests, or what | 14:29 |
| gunnarx | must be hard to do kernel testing I mean, if you disable a function you can't expect it to be there. so your tests become only a reflection of your config. | 14:29 |
| gunnarx | does it add value? | 14:29 |
| paulsherwood | quite. | 14:29 |
| paulsherwood | one of the general blindspots i've noticed elsewhere is a tendency for folks to add tests without considering the cost/value of that | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | for example in pursuit of some coverage goal, or because it's 'obviously better quality' | 14:30 |
| pavelk | iirc, the infrastructure that agl uses also allows for deliberate tests being added (not only to test the kernel) | 14:30 |
| gunnarx | ok, good to know. how about agl members jump into the meeting to add info like this? | 14:31 |
| * paulsherwood is an agl member, doign his best :) | 14:31 | |
| pavelk | they invited other members to create such tests | 14:31 |
| gunnarx | that's why the meeting is held here I thought | 14:31 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: it's held here so we can all huddle together for warmth :) | 14:31 |
| gunnarx | not really, I hardly feel alone. | 14:32 |
| gunnarx | moving on? | 14:32 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: well, the #genivi channel was never gardened properly | 14:32 |
| paulsherwood | imo | 14:32 |
| gunnarx | I'm fine with #automotive | 14:32 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: before we move on... any thoughts/preferences on test infra approach for go.cd? | 14:33 |
| paulsherwood | have you seen any existing solutions to deal with devboards for example? | 14:33 |
| gunnarx | anything can be integrated. I think lava for target deployed tests is the consensus, haven't heard much else | 14:33 |
| paulsherwood | ack | 14:33 |
| paulsherwood | i remain interested in https://github.com/qca/boardfarm | 14:34 |
| pavelk | how about ltsi framework? | 14:34 |
| paulsherwood | but recent experience shows that people seem to reject my choices, doubting my motives :) | 14:34 |
| paulsherwood | pavelk: i believe agl is going with that | 14:35 |
| pavelk | paulsherwood: yes | 14:35 |
| gunnarx | no haven't seen existing solutions but whatever infra you run you need an agent to powercycle, load, and start up a board | 14:35 |
| gunnarx | unless the board itself is the agent, might work too | 14:35 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: yup | 14:35 |
| paulsherwood | ok, moving on then? | 14:35 |
| gunnarx | sure | 14:36 |
| paulsherwood | - AOB - | 14:36 |
| * paulsherwood has none this week | 14:36 | |
| * gunnarx has none | 14:37 | |
| paulsherwood | any others? | 14:38 |
| gmacario | None from me | 14:38 |
| gunnarx | who would be interested in a targeted discussion on on-target testing? | 14:38 |
| paulsherwood | i would | 14:39 |
| gunnarx | target on target on... hmm | 14:39 |
| paulsherwood | when? | 14:39 |
| gunnarx | I just feel we need to flesh out some details and get going. are we waiting for anything in particular? :) | 14:39 |
| paulsherwood | contributions is the usual bottleneck :) | 14:39 |
| gunnarx | sure, I'm just looking for some building blocks really. someone out there surely has experience I would have thought | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | no doubt | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | we could canvas for a hangout or similar on this topic? | 14:41 |
| paulsherwood | (ie email the lists suggesting a virtual meetup, see how much interest we get) | 14:41 |
| gunnarx | I'm not much of a hangout guy, but yes, something similar :) | 14:41 |
| paulsherwood | well alternatives would be appear.in, skype, or ? | 14:42 |
| gunnarx | One thing, how much of JTA is Jenkins and how much is other useful stuff I wonder. | 14:42 |
| gunnarx | telco and webex :) | 14:43 |
| paulsherwood | yes i suppose so :) | 14:43 |
| paulsherwood | shall we do that? | 14:43 |
| gunnarx | yes, let's | 14:43 |
| paulsherwood | we could make it earlier in the day, see if we get different attendees | 14:44 |
| pavelk | are we talking about one of the next TT meetings?\ | 14:44 |
| pavelk | ah, something in addition... | 14:44 |
| paulsherwood | pavelk: actually it could be that way... just announce that one of our meetings will include a session on on-target testing | 14:44 |
| paulsherwood | which do folks prefer? something different, or extend a TT meeting? | 14:45 |
| pavelk | paulsherwood: it would be good to drag the BIT folks into that | 14:45 |
| * paulsherwood slightly favours the latter, but would like to move TT meetings earlier in the day | 14:45 | |
| paulsherwood | pavelk: ack | 14:45 |
| pavelk | I would prefer TT timeslot, possibly extended on the front or on the back | 14:46 |
| paulsherwood | pavelk: not monday mornigns, then? ;) | 14:46 |
| pavelk | paulsherwood: would work for me as well | 14:47 |
| paulsherwood | ok... i propose that we consider this properly, and cause a future TT meeting to be expressly extended to include this topic | 14:47 |
| paulsherwood | (probably a december meeting) | 14:47 |
| paulsherwood | any -1 on this? | 14:48 |
| * paulsherwood takes silence as approval | 14:48 | |
| paulsherwood | ok, i'll raise that as an action. | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | any final AOB? | 14:49 |
| pavelk | nope | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | 5 | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | 4 | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | 3 | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | 2 | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | 1 | 14:49 |
| pavelk | boom | 14:49 |
| gmacario | LOL | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Ends == | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | thanks all | 14:49 |
| gmacario | By folks! | 14:49 |
| gmacario | Bye | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: don't rush away :) | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | this is a 24/7 channel, for a 24/7 industry :) | 14:50 |
| gmacario | Back to non-GENIVI duties unfortunately :-( | 14:50 |
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| gunnarx | hmm, what might they be... is there really anything else? | 14:50 |
| gunnarx | :) | 14:50 |
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| JEEB | this chat reminded me: that bitbake/OE can output vmdk images | 17:22 |
| aeiche | Do we have a good tutorial for getting a vmdk into a VM to run? Neither Art nor myself were able to get it to work. | 17:23 |
| JEEB | with or without any sort of graphical stack? IIRC that was the issue when I was poking around weston | 17:24 |
| paulsherwood | aeiche: i think that gmacario wrote that up http://gmacario.github.io/howto/gdp/genivi/yocto/virtualbox/embedded/ivi/2015/11/14/running-yocto-image-inside-virtualbox.html | 17:24 |
| paulsherwood | but i don't think he addresses graphics | 17:25 |
| JEEB | yeah, that's the basic image | 17:25 |
| JEEB | which should be OK to boot as long as it either has an MBR or an UEFI directory | 17:26 |
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| paulsherwood | we got the baserock baseline working in vbox with weston last year, iirc... https://vimeo.com/92712554 | 17:27 |
| paulsherwood | presumably the config would be the same? | 17:29 |
| JEEB | I would guess so | 17:30 |
| JEEB | I guess I was missing a driver regarding graphics when I was testing weston+virtualbox | 17:30 |
| JEEB | or something dumb like that | 17:30 |
| JEEB | oh | 17:33 |
| JEEB | fbdev-backend | 17:33 |
| JEEB | that makes sense | 17:33 |
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| aeiche | Is the AGL demo platform running the QT apps in Qemu? We were having troubles with this a month ago due to QTs requirement for hw acceleration. | 19:00 |
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| aeiche | Thank you for the Virtual Box instructions. I got the VMDK running - It's having some interesting redraw issues. | 19:41 |
| aeiche | if I exit the shell it boots into, I get weston, which seems to time out after a moment back to the shell | 19:41 |
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