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paulsherwood | GENIVI tools team meeting starts here in 20 mins... | 13:32 |
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paulsherwood | s/20/27/ | 13:33 |
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paulsherwood | very quiet here today... i wonder if any tools team folk are actually present... | 13:48 |
* paulsherwood has had a couple of apologies via email | 13:49 | |
gunnarx | yes, it looks quiet. I see gmacario, tcouniha, at least logged in. | 13:51 |
gunnarx | roll call / interest check maybe? Not sure I have a lot of news compared to last week but maybe some question comes up. | 13:52 |
gmacario | I am busy with another telco, will join ASAP | 13:54 |
gunnarx | busy after 1500? | 13:56 |
paulsherwood | does anyone prefer phone today, or shall we stick with IRC? | 13:58 |
paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Starts == | 14:00 |
paulsherwood | last week's minutes are at https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/TT-minutes-20151102 | 14:00 |
gunnarx | oops, didn't have time to respond | 14:00 |
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paulsherwood | any proposed additions to agenda? https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/TT-minutes-20151109 | 14:00 |
paulsherwood | gunnarx: no problem... i've raised a jira item for you :) | 14:00 |
paulsherwood | and one for me too | 14:01 |
gunnarx | uh, I meant on the phone call question | 14:01 |
paulsherwood | ah, ok | 14:01 |
paulsherwood | if you prefer a call, i'm happy to open it | 14:01 |
gunnarx | Looks like few participants today. We could run through the topics, so I expect informal IRC chat would be just as likely | 14:02 |
paulsherwood | ok | 14:02 |
gunnarx | likely/useful/whatever | 14:02 |
paulsherwood | :) | 14:02 |
paulsherwood | let's start, then... | 14:02 |
paulsherwood | - Build Tools - | 14:03 |
paulsherwood | gunnarx: i know there's been further discussion on your go.cd poroposal... | 14:03 |
paulsherwood | have you managed to publish it yet? | 14:03 |
gunnarx | Actually it's not being rolled out with a bang but rather with the few companies that reported interest first. | 14:04 |
gunnarx | This is so that we have a proven concept before BoD gives go-ahead full scale. | 14:05 |
gunnarx | Codethink will get an update from me today. | 14:05 |
paulsherwood | ok... last week according to the discussion here i understood the idea was to publish the proposal... is that no longer the case in the short term? | 14:06 |
gunnarx | that was my original desire, it is now shifted to early-access to a few. maybe not a bad idea to test the concept a bit. | 14:07 |
paulsherwood | fair enough. are you open to more participants, in addition to those who have already expressed interest? | 14:07 |
* paulsherwood is asking for the public record, in case others are wondering whether to jump in | 14:08 | |
gunnarx | yes I am. I think the basic concept has been outlined here before, has it not? If a company is willing to report their interest right away to sponsor a build agent (=server that receives build jobs), then please jump in. Otherwise, a formal request will follow later on when it can also be shown running. | 14:09 |
paulsherwood | gunnarx: i think the concept has been outlined and you have been kind enough to desribe the concepts via screenshare, but nothing published here or to the list so far? i may be wrong | 14:10 |
gunnarx | I understand there may be companies that are likely interested, but want more information. However, the roll-out plan, as I have been advised to pursue this, is those who have already shown interest are part of the the first wave. | 14:11 |
paulsherwood | ack. makes sense | 14:11 |
gunnarx | hope the second wave can start... soon though | 14:11 |
paulsherwood | ok, any more on build tools? | 14:11 |
gmacario | Hi there, sorry for being late! | 14:12 |
paulsherwood | gmacario: welcome! | 14:12 |
paulsherwood | last call for build-tools discussion | 14:12 |
gunnarx | nope - as I said if any company wants to jump on the first wave with the info given, let me know. otherwise soon you will have a chance again | 14:13 |
paulsherwood | ok, next up... | 14:13 |
paulsherwood | - UML Modeling - | 14:13 |
gmacario | Reading about go.cd whitepaper | 14:13 |
gunnarx | gmacario: let me know if you have any technical questions later. we're moving on the agenda i think. | 14:13 |
gmacario | I should probably ask gunnarx to forward me the same info that he provided to the other participant in "early access" | 14:13 |
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paulsherwood | good idea :) | 14:14 |
gunnarx | I got the feeling in previous discussion that Mentor is not really jumping on the chance to sponsor a build agent? Maybe a complete misunderstanding. | 14:14 |
gunnarx | Do you have such a plan (even personally maybe?) gmacario? | 14:14 |
gmacario | Please define FTE and $$$ for "sponsoring a build agent" :P | 14:14 |
gunnarx | ok. moving on? | 14:15 |
gmacario | gunnarx: Indeed - and please see my https://github.com/gunnarx/gocd-setup/issues | 14:15 |
gmacario | OK | 14:15 |
paulsherwood | i thought we had, yes :) | 14:15 |
* paulsherwood notes manfred does not appear to be here | 14:15 | |
paulsherwood | and i had apologies from kbirken | 14:15 |
paulsherwood | maybe this topic should resume next week? | 14:16 |
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paulsherwood | (unless someone got to the bottom of svn-git etc)( | 14:17 |
paulsherwood | any comments on UML modeling here, now? | 14:17 |
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gunnarx | sorry, was looking at "issues"" | 14:19 |
paulsherwood | as we said... not many participants here today... | 14:19 |
paulsherwood | so moving on | 14:19 |
paulsherwood | - Debugging and Analysis - | 14:19 |
gunnarx | I have nothing, still would take pull requests on "franca automation" for installing GDB support and similar | 14:19 |
paulsherwood | shame... even CTpollard seems to be absent, i washoping he might have thought more on the debugging stuff | 14:20 |
paulsherwood | gunnarx: noted | 14:20 |
paulsherwood | moving on? fast meetign this week :-) | 14:20 |
gunnarx | go | 14:21 |
paulsherwood | - Automated Testing - | 14:21 |
gmacario | +1 | 14:21 |
gmacario | How is this topic different from GoCD right now? | 14:21 |
gunnarx | Who's working on lava I wonder? | 14:21 |
paulsherwood | you mean in GENIVI, gunnarx ? | 14:22 |
paulsherwood | or in general? | 14:22 |
gunnarx | yes, setting up on-target tests related to automotive/GENIVI | 14:22 |
gunnarx | a lot of talk, less results so far | 14:22 |
stevel_ | gunnarx: the test with Collabora is bumping along | 14:22 |
stevel_ | needs some cycles post Seoul | 14:23 |
paulsherwood | i think we all do :) | 14:23 |
gunnarx | ok, I haven't seen results. | 14:23 |
gunnarx | or much mail on mailing lists. what exactly the test is doing etc. | 14:23 |
paulsherwood | gmacario: GoCD has nothing specific for automated test... it can trigger something, though | 14:24 |
gmacario | OK, ACK | 14:24 |
stevel_ | Sjoerd has the board but had some questions | 14:24 |
gunnarx | ok | 14:24 |
stevel_ | gunnarx: jeremiah documented the scope in the wiki | 14:24 |
paulsherwood | gunnarx: i believe agl is making some progress with ltsi test framework | 14:24 |
gunnarx | stevel_: ok, thanks. | 14:25 |
stevel_ | small scale in terms of tests, more about the plumbing and creating a pattern | 14:26 |
gunnarx | does ltsi test framework overlap or complement lava? optimized for kernel test or more generic? | 14:26 |
paulsherwood | do we (genivi, tools team) have any clear view of what approach/framework(s) we favour here? | 14:26 |
stevel_ | I think sjoerd got hung up on upstream. I need to check in with him | 14:27 |
paulsherwood | what does 'hung up on upstream' mean? :) | 14:27 |
gunnarx | as far as I understand lava does what we need. but it might take that someone just "does it" with their favorite tool. kinda like go.cd | 14:27 |
paulsherwood | :) | 14:28 |
stevel_ | gunnarx: ltsi test complements somewhat. they are gathering test cases with initially kernel focus. jenkins is just the framework | 14:28 |
stevel_ | An instance is running in the open. Take a look their, LF LTSI workgroup wiki and the LTSI ML for Qs | 14:29 |
gunnarx | url? | 14:29 |
stevel_ | wiki? | 14:29 |
gunnarx | ah | 14:29 |
stevel_ | or instance? | 14:29 |
gmacario | https://validation.linaro.org/ | 14:30 |
gunnarx | "An instance is running in the open". Wiki or instance doesn't matter. I suspect wiki would give the needed info. | 14:30 |
* paulsherwood proposes to move on? | 14:30 | |
paulsherwood | unless there are actions from this? | 14:31 |
stevel_ | ltsi main page: http://ltsi.linuxfoundation.org/sites/ltsi/files/lf_minimal_logo.png | 14:31 |
* stevel_ no not that crap | 14:32 | |
gunnarx | lol | 14:32 |
pavelk | LTSI test project: http://ltsi.linuxfoundation.org/ltsi-test-project | 14:32 |
gunnarx | nice logo | 14:32 |
stevel_ | http://ltsi.linuxfoundation.org/ | 14:32 |
gunnarx | no worries, I'll find it now, thanks | 14:32 |
stevel_ | test project: http://ltsi.linuxfoundation.org/ltsi-test-project | 14:32 |
paulsherwood | i found that page, couldn't find a public instance running, though... didn't look very hard | 14:32 |
stevel_ | various members are some running in house and I seem to recall some tests posted on the list. | 14:33 |
paulsherwood | that's a rather different thing, stevel_ :) | 14:33 |
gunnarx | propose to move on | 14:33 |
paulsherwood | - AOB - | 14:34 |
paulsherwood | any suggrstions for AOB? i have one | 14:34 |
gmacario | Please go ahead | 14:34 |
gunnarx | +1 | 14:34 |
paulsherwood | tools/bit again | 14:34 |
stevel_ | then there was the prototype that is still running. Think they have been still adding to it. Would need to dig out url. should be in the wiki or conf ppts | 14:34 |
gunnarx | oh | 14:34 |
paulsherwood | stevel_: we've discusses this before, but i'm not sure what the intention is | 14:35 |
stevel_ | intent for what? | 14:35 |
paulsherwood | the question of whether to somehow combine tools+bit | 14:36 |
paulsherwood | this was raised before amm (not by me)... and there was *some* discussion on it in korea but i'm not sure what's happening | 14:36 |
gunnarx | I never really saw the need. Who is the champion for this idea? | 14:36 |
* paulsherwood is unsure whether the champion intended to be named as such | 14:37 | |
stevel_ | ok. so far I have only seen you bullet from seoul. would be useful to have some detail to grasp onto | 14:37 |
gunnarx | sounds like an organization question - that's what PMO is for... | 14:37 |
stevel_ | i think they need to define the lack and why there proposed change addresses it | 14:38 |
paulsherwood | ok, shall we leave it to PMO? | 14:38 |
stevel_ | not that I know what their proposal is :) | 14:38 |
gunnarx | at least preparing the issue is appropriate for PMO, depending on how much it impacts, there are higher up decision fora. Groups add/delete have actually been BoD decisions in the past. | 14:38 |
paulsherwood | ack | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | shall we move on, then? | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | aoaob? | 14:39 |
gunnarx | did you drop something on your toe? | 14:39 |
paulsherwood | any other any other business? | 14:40 |
gunnarx | :) no | 14:40 |
stevel_ | none here | 14:40 |
paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Ends == | 14:40 |
paulsherwood | thanks all | 14:40 |
gmacario | Bye! | 14:40 |
gunnarx | gmacario: That was a nasty heading you put on an issue attached to a project on my personal github. Being more positive toward the work I contribute would help. | 14:41 |
gunnarx | a joke? | 14:41 |
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gmacario | gunnarx: I am afraid you had not paid attention the the smiley in in the description of https://github.com/gunnarx/gocd-setup/issues/1 | 14:42 |
gmacario | Anyway I confirm what I wrote to you in my private email concerning my personal interest in GoCD | 14:44 |
gmacario | But I need a GoCD master to connect to | 14:44 |
gunnarx | ah, ok. a joke then. it just feels sometimes like you're looking for problems. I don't intend to hold on to anything, as soon as someone is willing to take it over. The domain name helps future-proof things since it is a layer of indirection to the IP | 14:44 |
gmacario | I was actually wondering whether there is *already* a GoCD master which I may connect to | 14:45 |
gunnarx | (it's likely that the real domain name to be used is go.genivi.org) | 14:45 |
gmacario | That's why I looked at the scripts in https://github.com/gunnarx/gocd-setup as I could not find any better written instructions than the code itself | 14:45 |
gmacario | "go.genivi.org"... Something like "Download-and-go" (TM)? | 14:46 |
gunnarx | Yes I put the scripts up partly for the purpose of documentation, preparing to make it easy | 14:46 |
gmacario | Well until there is a maintained master server online I am afraid it is not (yet) easy enough for me | 14:47 |
gunnarx | the name is kind of nice from that perspective. Whatever the name I imagine that continuous builds lead to a downloadable image | 14:47 |
stevel_ | just tried to google where the JTA instance was. didnt turn it up. | 14:48 |
stevel_ | but Fujitsu posted their experiences: http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/fct/downloads/v4/events/exhibit/practice-ltsi-test-framework-introduction-of-ethtool-test-set.pdf | 14:48 |
gunnarx | notice "preparation" :) I'll give you support if needed. | 14:48 |
stevel_ | and more recently Mitsuibishi: https://lceeu2015.sched.org/event/63835fdec66895bd6680ca868f70b007#.VkCxwm5kPws | 14:49 |
stevel_ | easiest would be to ask on ltsi list if you are interested | 14:49 |
gmacario | > Whatever the name I imagine that continuous builds lead to a downloadable image | 14:53 |
gmacario | Right, as I noticed https://build.automotivelinux.org/job/CI-AGL-DemoApps-CES2016/ does | 14:53 |
CTtpollard | I would like downloadable images for GDP, although that's a known thing | 14:54 |
gmacario | CTpollard: +1 | 14:54 |
CTtpollard | at least for qemux86 | 14:55 |
* paulsherwood wonders if GENIVI LRT would be ok with that level of output | 14:56 | |
CTtpollard | paulsherwood: LRT ? | 14:57 |
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gunnarx | Downloadable images are no problem as long as we comply with licenses, primarily offering the needed source code. We have been over this before I think? | 14:59 |
CTtpollard | licence review team | 14:59 |
CTtpollard | I think baserock offer a qemu image of the gdp? | 14:59 |
stevel_ | spdx was also wanted I recall | 15:01 |
stevel_ | or at least license manifest. | 15:01 |
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paulsherwood | gunnarx: we've been over it before. the question is whether publishing a built artifact without also publishing the source is acceptable or not | 15:05 |
gunnarx | yes, and afaik the LRT has "ruled" on that, from their perspective. I'd say we'll just do it. | 15:08 |
paulsherwood | publish artifacts without source, you mean? | 15:09 |
gunnarx | no, publish with source, whether it is strictly needed or not. | 15:09 |
paulsherwood | ah, ok. agreed | 15:09 |
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