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westonhi all05:11
westonI have an R-CarM2 Koelsch board. I am trying to bring up GDP on that by following the steps mentioned in http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Hardware_Setup_and_Software_Installation/koelsch%26porter  . But I see the information is not proper for Koelsch and rather confusing with the Porter. Please check05:13
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CTtpollardhi weston08:07
CTtpollardyou should be able to follow the quick start guide, but if you have any specific issues just ask me08:08
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westonCTtpollard: Yes, for porter it is okay. But for Koelsch, that procedure is confusing.09:36
westonCTtpollard: especially, the Obtain and Install Renesas Graphics Drivers section09:36
westonCTtpollard: it is asking to refer Renesas BSP startup guide09:37
westonCTtpollard: I have that guide too...But the Quick start for koelsch in this wiki for koelsh is different in the Renesas guide09:39
CTtpollardthat is the official process to obtain drivers for the koelsch board09:39
CTtpollardI've had success using the click through 'evaluation drivers' from the porter on the koelsch, but I don't know how well supported it is09:40
westonCTtpollard: I too had built it for porter09:40
westonCTtpollard: but I have koelsch board and not porter09:41
westonbrb09:41
CTtpollardtry using the same drivers then09:41
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gunnarxweston:  koelsch board is (only) supported through your Renesas representative.  Porter is the board that is possible to buy off the shelf and therefore supported through a more direct process (drivers downloadable using a web form)10:22
gunnarxweston:  what is your question in detail?  Sorry I have to go afk me too - will check your response later...10:22
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CTtpollardHow did the gdp 8 demo go at the AMM?11:07
leon-anaviHi CTtpollard do you have progress with hardware graphics acceleration in rpi2?11:08
CTtpollardleon-anavi: unfortunately not, I've taken to the genivi-project mailing list with my current progress in response to the person who provided the instructions11:09
leon-anavioh, let me have a look, I must have received it11:11
leon-anaviyes, sorry my bad I should have checked my email before asking :)11:11
CTtpollardI'd really like to have it as a supported branch in gdp11:13
CTtpollardwell, yocto gdp11:15
CTtpollardI might have to look to dropping the vc4 driver for now, but it will hit on performance11:17
pedroalvarezCTtpollard: IIRC, it was failing even with the fbdev backend11:20
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westonCTtpollard: gunnarx back12:14
westongunnarx: then we might need to revisit the statements in wiki12:14
CTtpollardweston: I'm not sure what your point is12:17
CTtpollardthe same instructions for evaluation drivers are also in the instruction set provided by meta-renesas12:19
westonCTtpollard: sorry, the wiki page for quick start for koelsch may not be correct12:21
westonit is correct for porter12:22
westonshould need to refer the complete yocto build steps to BSP guide12:22
westonfor koelsch12:22
westonporter and koelsch has entirely different build set up12:22
westonthat is what I see after comparing the information in wiki and the BSP guide for koelsch12:23
westonnow it is written as similar till the graphics drivers12:23
CTtpollardI'm sorry I can't digest what you're saying, it says to refer the sections provided in the bsp guide12:25
CTtpollardif their is a problem with the instructions in the bsp guide, then that problem is with Renesas12:27
CTtpollard*there12:27
westonCTtpollard: sorry for the mis understanding12:28
westonCTtpollard: whoever wrote the wiki is like that which says same steps for porter and koelsch till graphics drivers12:28
westonwhich is not correct12:28
westonit is correct for porter12:29
westonbut for koelsch we might need to refer the BSP guide completely12:29
CTtpollardit says to refer to the BSP guide for the koeslch12:29
westonCTtpollard: only for graphics package part12:30
CTtpollardand summarises the step assuming you have access to the graphics drivers12:30
westonCTtpollard: others are same as per the page12:30
CTtpollardweston: the submodules repo and source script do the rest12:30
CTtpollardreferenced in the quick start12:30
westonCTtpollard: but the BSP guide from Renesas does not mention about the GDP12:32
westonand the graphics package naming and scripts are differenty12:32
CTtpollardthis is from the bsp guide 'sh (dir. of deliverable)/copy_proprietary_softwares-v180.sh $PKGS_DIR'12:34
CTtpollardfrom our gdp wiki 'sh <path to Renesas BSP>/copy_proprietary_softwares-v1*.sh binary-tmp'12:34
CTtpollardthose are relative12:34
westonCTtpollard: agree12:35
westonCTtpollard: but my concern is different12:35
westonWhether the Renesas BSP guide scripts are matching for GDP?12:36
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fredcadeteI sent a few meta-ivi fixes to the list: http://lists.genivi.org/pipermail/genivi-meta-ivi/2015-October/000676.html13:26
fredcadetecomment away13:26
fredcadeteI hope it's useful13:26
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* CTtpollard finds vc4 referenced in various places in the rootfs, but still lacks the .so 14:30
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westonCTtpollard: confused, but I will check14:40
westonCTtpollard: also, why koelsch graphics bins are not open?14:40
pedroalvarezask Renesas?14:44
JEEBI thought most ARM GPU drivers were closed blobs?14:53
westonJEEB: but can see OpenGLES3.0 + powerVR evaluation package for H214:58
westonpedroalvarez: to whom?14:58
westonCTtpollard: Whether Porter graphics driver kit work for koelsch?15:03
fredcadeteCTtpollard: have you had a look at this thread? https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2015-August/thread.html#2593615:11
fredcadeteit's fairly recent15:11
fredcadetebut it looks like people in openembedded have been looking into that vc4 stuff15:11
CTtpollardfredcadete: I've had a look, mesa 10.6 that they use with the vc4 fork of meta-raspberry pi from tizen is what I'm trying to get working15:14
fredcadetemaybe someone in #oe knows where the .so should be coming from?15:18
paulsher1oodpedroalvarez: is there anything from the baserock gdp rpi implementation that can help CTtpollard here?15:19
pedroalvarezI've already shared with him our Mesa definition (where I believe is the problem)15:20
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CTtpollard'EXTRA_OECONF = "--with-gallium-drivers=vc4 --enable-gles1 --enable-gles2 --with-egl-platforms=wayland,drm,null --with-dri-drivers=swrast --enable-gbm --enable-glx-tls --disable-glx"'15:20
CTtpollardshould be enough I think, and is in the mesa.inc (although hashed out)15:21
pedroalvarezI tried to figure out what his recipe was building, but it was a bit messy15:21
pedroalvarezand here it is again: http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/baserock/baserock/definitions.git/tree/strata/mesa-common/mesa.morph15:23
CTtpollardpedroalvarez: not far off what i'm going off from http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/15:24
pedroalvarezyup, that looks ok15:24
pedroalvarezI don't get why "null"15:25
pedroalvarezand we are doing --with-dri-drivers=no15:25
CTtpollardpedroalvarez: well originally it was all commented out anyway, so I'm having to clean my mesa build and retry15:28
CTtpollardbut I'm sure I'll find the cause15:29
pedroalvarez:)15:30
CTtpollardthe mesa.inc is definitely being configured at compile time, I pass a --foo flag and it failed15:32
CTtpollardso I can try dropping the drm,null15:32
gunnarxHello gang.  FYI (useful for GENIVI at least) I wrote a post on how to run WebEx on Linux.   https://genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOOL/WebEx+on+Linux15:37
CTtpollardfredcadete: ty for posting the patches for meta renesas for fido15:38
gunnarxMaybe some day we'll switch to a FOSS alternative...  Any good ones?15:38
fredcadetenp15:40
fredcadeteI had a hard time understanding which meta-renesas tree to patch15:41
CTtpollardI suppose a pull request to slawr is the best option? but he is probably best positioned to respond15:41
fredcadetethe patch breaks the build on yocto 1.7 or lower so I don't want to submit in the blank15:42
fredcadeteI need a meta-renesas that says they will support yocto 1.8 and drop 1.6 and 1.7 before submitting it15:43
fredcadeteanyway, slawr is cc'ed15:43
fredcadetelet's see if he bites15:43
fredcadete:)15:43
CTtpollard:)15:43
fredcadeteby the way, I ran a few times the porter and lager using mesa 10.4 and everything seemed to be okay15:47
myselfOh hah. I just realized Koelsch is a type of beer too. Took me.... way too long.15:48
gunnarxweston: In my experience the porter graphics libs do work for koelsch.  The boards use the same SoC.15:48
gunnarxThat said, AFAIK the official line is still what I wrote above "koelsch board is (only) supported through your Renesas representative"15:48
gunnarxBasically you should not have a koelsch unless you have received it from Renesas directly, and thereby you have a support line...  So as far as I can see the instructions are valid?15:49
gunnarxUnless you can again point out a specific contradiction, that can be fixed in the instructions.15:49
pedroalvarezmyself: I just realised they were types of beers :/15:50
gunnarx(I realize weston is offline but maybe he'll catch up on the logs)15:50
gunnarxpedroalvarez, myself  a little slow, lol15:51
gunnarxHave you guys had gueze beer?15:51
myselfIt was seeing "lager" up there adjacent to "porter" that finally made it click. Otherwise I assumed they were people's names or something.15:52
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fredcadetethere will be a gueuze board??15:52
gunnarxLove it. When I'm in that mood...15:52
gunnarxgueuze, thanks for correct spelling.15:52
myselfOh neat, I've enjoyed the lambics I've tried. Will look into that.15:52
gunnarxI won't comment on what other board names Renesas has, might be under NDA or something :)15:53
fredcadetewatch out for the modern gueuzes which are sweetened with aspartam. for the old-school bitter stuff you should look for "oude gueuze"15:53
gunnarx+115:53
gunnarxyour mouth should cringe on the acidity, and want to run away and hide15:54
myselfSo like Jamaican ginger beer, but not.15:54
fredcadeteI do drink the modern ones more often than the old ones15:54
myself(that stuff is so strong it'll put hair on your tongue!)15:54
gunnarxugh, I don't like the strong ginger beers15:54
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* CTtpollard waits & waits for qtwebkit to recompile 16:49
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fredcadetehe qtwebkit is a slow one16:51
CTtpollard+116:51
fredcadetethat's one of the reasons setting up a package manager pays off16:51
fredcadeteno need to wait for the full image before testing16:51
CTtpollardI'm using share dldir & sstatecache16:52
CTtpollardon a 4core 8GB machine16:52
CTtpollardallowing bitbake all threads16:52
CTtpollardstill16:52
CTtpollard:'(16:52
myselfThose days when you put a leafblower on your CPU for a long compile...16:54
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gunnarxCTtpollard:  Minnowboard has a bunch of errors, do you get that also?17:42
gunnarxhttp://hastebin.com/luxaliweto17:43
gunnarxGDP for Minnowboard I mean.  It still builds an image successfully so people may not care, but since they are errors, not warnings, bitbake returns failure (which is no good for a CI build)17:45
gunnarxShould be an easy thing, why is even qt4 referenced, makes no sense...17:47
paulsher1oodgunnarx: did you watch the livecast yet? :)17:49
gunnarxoh yes, you bet!17:51
gunnarxwent to sleep.  you have such a soothing voice...17:51
paulsher1oodlol17:51
jlrmagnusWith that enticing British accent.17:52
gunnarxHello jlrmagnus, you looked for me the other day?17:52
gunnarxpaulsher1ood:  you're very good at crowd-control.17:52
gunnarxMove up to the front.  Sit up straight.17:52
jlrmagnusHello gunnarx. I think it was about where to check in PoC code for the Software Management work.17:53
gunnarxBritish police could use you at riots.17:53
* paulsher1ood things jlrmagnus' voice is more soothing 17:53
jlrmagnusI have a dummy end-to-end system (minus IVI confirmation of installs) up and running.17:53
gunnarxOh, right.  An email I should respond to?17:53
jlrmagnuspaulsher1ood, Nah, my Swedish accent grates people.17:53
jlrmagnusI sent out a question to the SI list, but didn't receive much of an answer.17:54
gunnarxthat's what I thought, I'll answer it - let's get it moving17:55
jlrmagnusOk. If you are on the weekly SI conf tomorrow, we can talk about it then.17:56
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gunnarxresponse sent, shouldn't be long to get a repo up I bet18:04
gunnarxpaulsher1ood:  I think you and pedro did really well on the hands on - the other session leaders could learn from your screen cast.18:05
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pedroalvarezthat's a compliment \o/18:10
gunnarxyes, it is18:11
gunnarxI asked in #yocto how to track down dependencies.  Why is qt4-x11 requested into one version of the build at all?  Anyone here know a really good way to track dependencies in yocto?18:13
gunnarxoh, it's navit pulling in qt4 and X18:16
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jlrmagnusTnx.18:22
paulsher1oodgunnarx: tvm :)18:27
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hentaixpso anyone here do automotive tuning?22:44
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persiahentaixp: folk here are mostly focused on automotive software loads.22:55
hentaixpsoftware loads?22:56
hentaixplike what22:56
persiaLook the software that runs the center console, virtual instrument display software, navigation tools, autopark features, etc.22:59
persias/Look/Like/23:00
hentaixpautopark feature I would expect be part of the ecu23:00
hentaixpthan again maybe not23:01
hentaixpbecause it requires tons of info to do that23:01
hentaixpnow that I think about its likely not part of the ecu, more likely something else23:01
persiaRight.  Software that one runs on ECUs :).23:02
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hentaixpnone of those features you listed would run on the ecu23:02
hentaixpmaybe auto park but I doubt that now23:02
hentaixpecu has one main job usually and its generally operation of the power unit properly23:03
persiaI suppose I have a different definition of ECU.  I thought the IVI had an ECU, and that autopark was a different ECU, collecting information over comms buses from lots of other ECUs.  I may be mistaken.23:03
hentaixpwhat does ECU stand for?23:04
persiaI think "Electronic Control Unit".23:04
hentaixpyou may see that somewhere but its generally engine control unit23:05
persiaTo me, that would be "computer" in other environments.23:05
hentaixpany control unit that works on other stuff will be named apttly23:05
persiaAh, then we were miscommunication.  Thanks for explaining how. :)23:05
hentaixplike TCU23:05
hentaixpor TCM23:06
hentaixptransmission control unit\module23:06
hentaixpmy audi has several control units23:06
hentaixpecm, tcm, airbag, abs, radio, gauge cluster, immobilizer, etc23:07
persiaRight.  Then software for control units, and from the traffic I have seen, mostly IVI.23:07
hentaixpare you guys trying to develop something?23:08
persiaYes.  Common software that many OEMs can share to reduce the overall costs of automotive computation.23:09
hentaixphell ECM\ECU cost a lot23:12
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