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CTtpollard | good morning | 07:25 |
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CTtpollard | Hi jeremiah , I believe you're looking into a LAVA PoC? | 07:36 |
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fredcadete | hello, chat | 08:03 |
fredcadete | I am trying out commonapi with someip support | 08:04 |
fredcadete | it's working on local, but I am not sure what needs to be changed to have it working on remote machines | 08:05 |
fredcadete | has anyone been able to have commonapi-someip working remotely? | 08:05 |
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paulsherwood | fredcadete: maybe worth emailing the genivi-ipc list? http://lists.genivi.org/mailman/listinfo/genivi-ipc | 08:26 |
fredcadete | paulsherwood: maybe I will, thanks | 08:32 |
weston | hi all | 08:49 |
CTtpollard | hi weston | 08:49 |
weston | paulsherwood: I have R-Car H2 , R-Car M2 and R-Car E2 boards | 08:49 |
weston | I think I can also help you people in case of any testing is needed in any of these boards | 08:50 |
weston | CTtpollard: Hows going man | 08:50 |
CTtpollard | weston: all good here, how about you? also nice collection of boards! | 08:51 |
weston | CTtpollard: it is in my University and I am the hardware maintainer | 08:51 |
weston | also, Jetson TK1, Beagle boards | 08:52 |
weston | and sabre and sabre sd | 08:52 |
CTtpollard | weston: I currently have a beaglebone black which im tinkering with | 08:59 |
weston | CTtpollard: okay, using yocto build? | 08:59 |
CTtpollard | weston: atm I'm looking at something else | 09:00 |
CTtpollard | weston: that would be cool though | 09:02 |
weston | CTtpollard: to be frank, I am not clearly understood with the activities happening inside. I was listening things but not so clear (for a fresher). I thought I can also participate to get some knowledge but it seems everyone busy or no more addtional requirements | 09:02 |
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CTtpollard | I'd like to deploy gdp to the beagle, but I'm still learning atm | 09:08 |
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jeremiah | CTtpollard: Cool project -- I'll help you if I can. I have a BBB too but I mostly use it for testing Debian/GENIVI packages. | 09:48 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Consider posting on the GENIVI wiki the steps you take, I can help you there. | 09:48 |
jeremiah | Also, file bugs in bugs.genivi.org if you find any in the GDP | 09:49 |
jeremiah | fredcadete: I think my colleague Jacques Guillou has SOME/IP working on remotes. He's on vacation ATM so I think Paul's recommendation of an email to the list is good idea. | 09:50 |
jeremiah | Lots of new SOME/IP CommonAPI documentation coming online soon too | 09:50 |
jeremiah | I'll post a link when its ready | 09:50 |
jeremiah | weston: Welcome! Hang out here and I'm sure people will put you to work! :-) | 09:51 |
jeremiah | If you have any questions about running GNU/Linux on automotive hardware, this is the place to ask. | 09:52 |
CTtpollard | jeremiah: how goes you lava poc work? | 09:52 |
CTtpollard | *your | 09:52 |
jeremiah | Slowly. :/ | 09:52 |
jeremiah | I'm trying to get the Porter to have an IP address. | 09:52 |
jeremiah | And I guess I have to do that in U-boot. | 09:53 |
jeremiah | But I think I ought to just go ahead and create a GDP image for it and flash it | 09:53 |
CTtpollard | CTtpollard: I have a little distributed server set up, with a remote worker as my laptop hooked up to the beaglebone | 09:53 |
fredcadete | jeremiah: that's great to hear, thanks | 09:53 |
CTtpollard | but as I say I'm still learning about deployment etc | 09:53 |
jeremiah | I normally bring up a board and then use debootstrap to put Debian on it but I can't do that so I'm going to have to follow the more formal method | 09:54 |
CTtpollard | referencing myself by accident and it's not even lunch time here | 09:54 |
CTtpollard | sigh | 09:54 |
jeremiah | heh | 09:54 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Yeah, your setup is likely the right way to go. | 09:55 |
CTtpollard | I have it remotely deploying and booting kvm qemu x86 and arm images, so that's cool at least | 09:55 |
weston | jeremiah: thank you. waiting :) | 09:56 |
jeremiah | I think that is what this machine is doing, when I issue the "dhcp" command in the shell it does some BOOTP stuff looking for a tft server and an image to load | 09:56 |
jeremiah | weston: Have you looked at booting GENIVI's demo platform on one of your Renesas boards? | 09:57 |
weston | jeremiah: no never. I can.. | 09:57 |
weston | jeremiah: Now I have our linux 3.10.31 ltsi | 09:58 |
weston | with wayland | 09:58 |
jeremiah | It would be awesome if you did. It is a pretty big collection of automotive software used in production at some big OEMs | 09:58 |
weston | jeremiah: ok. will check. Please share the link if you have any for procedures | 09:58 |
jeremiah | weston: http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Hardware_Setup_and_Software_Installation/koelsch%26porter | 09:58 |
jeremiah | I'm following along there for my Porter board and updating the docs as I go | 09:59 |
jeremiah | Any questions or issues you have just drop a line here | 09:59 |
jeremiah | That's true with anyone's work on the GDP, this is a good place to get some answers. | 09:59 |
jeremiah | Hopefully we can get some folks directly from Renesas to join us, but we definitely have their ear and they'll help us should we need it. | 10:00 |
weston | jeremiah: cool. I will try it and let you know the result | 10:00 |
jeremiah | Also, the genivi-projects mailing list is a good resource. | 10:01 |
jeremiah | weston: w00t! | 10:01 |
fredcadete | OK, got some/ip working on remotes now | 10:05 |
fredcadete | just had to edit some more configuration files | 10:05 |
jeremiah | nice! | 10:05 |
fredcadete | we'll try to share the experience next week | 10:05 |
jeremiah | fredcadete: That would be really great. | 10:06 |
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fredcadete | jeremiah: for hardcoding network configurations I am doing it by uboot | 10:08 |
fredcadete | jeremiah: but you also need to disable connman, and depending on your uboot configuration link /etc/resolv.conf to /proc/net/pnp | 10:11 |
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CTtpollard | jeremiah: I'm looking to push some patches to meta-genivi-demo today, I have the privileges to do this. What is the process for merging to master? | 10:36 |
CTtpollard | patches to fix bugs listed on bugzilla | 10:36 |
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jeremiah | fredcadete: ah, okay | 10:56 |
jeremiah | fredcadete: Thanks for that, I'll poke in those files | 10:57 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Darn good question. | 10:57 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: We don't have an explicit merge policy for the GDP, largely because previously it was only done by one company. | 10:57 |
jeremiah | Since you have commit access, why not go ahead and commit to master, but if you'd rather have an experimental branch or a features branch I think that's a good idea. | 10:58 |
jeremiah | I think GENIVI might benefit from the experience of everyone here in describing a solid set of practices for commiting to open repos. | 10:59 |
CTtpollard | jeremiah: for the fetch url fixes, I think merging to master is fine imo. For new features / experimenting branching sounds sensible | 10:59 |
jeremiah | Many companies just stuff everything in master and that is not so great, plus doesn't take advantage of git's powerful branching features. | 10:59 |
CTtpollard | +1 | 10:59 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Great. What ever works for you, and thanks for bringing this up. | 11:01 |
jeremiah | Let's try and cobble together a sensible policy as we go forward. | 11:01 |
CTtpollard | jeremiah: my only experiences have been mailing list patches, and gerrit with openstack | 11:01 |
jeremiah | The most important thing now is to get GDP into good shape, we can create repo policies when we run in to issues if we happen to run into issues. :-) | 11:02 |
CTtpollard | ok :) | 11:02 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Some GENIVI projects prefer patches to the list to be incorporated by the maintainer. | 11:02 |
jeremiah | The deal with the GDP is that its mailing list is now genivi-projects | 11:02 |
jeremiah | and I'm not sure we want a ton of patches flying by there. | 11:03 |
jeremiah | I say that because genivi-projects is mostly for discussion, announcements, technical issues, etc. | 11:03 |
jeremiah | GDP used to be on the meta-ivi list, and that gets patches. So if you want to, you can ask for review of patches there: https://lists.genivi.org/mailman/listinfo/genivi-meta-ivi | 11:04 |
jeremiah | However, that list is kinda quiet | 11:04 |
jeremiah | So I don't know if there is much point at this stage. | 11:05 |
jeremiah | paulsherwood: What do you think Paul? Should we send patches to genivi-projects for review for GDP, to meta-ivi, or just merge to master? | 11:06 |
jeremiah | I prefer merge to master because it is the easiest and we want to smooth the path to contribution. | 11:06 |
CTtpollard | I agree at this stage | 11:07 |
jeremiah | Good, since you're doing the work I think that should weigh the most. :-) | 11:08 |
CTtpollard | jeremiah: It looks like I don't have push rights, shall I send you my key to double check? | 11:11 |
jeremiah | No need, I'll check the config which might be wonky. | 11:13 |
jeremiah | CTtpollard: Are you cloning from the ssh URI? | 11:13 |
jeremiah | More info here: http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Community_Office#Cloning_a_GENIVI_git_repository | 11:14 |
CTtpollard | ah cool I'd change my remote | 11:15 |
CTtpollard | sweet | 11:16 |
CTtpollard | thnka | 11:17 |
CTtpollard | *thanks | 11:17 |
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jeremiah | CTtpollard++ http://git.projects.genivi.org/?p=meta-genivi-demo.git;a=commit;h=85d2b58f87256e1f7b6198b883aeed975dac45ca | 11:21 |
jeremiah | Thanks! | 11:21 |
CTtpollard | :) | 11:21 |
CTtpollard | is there a way on bugzilla to look at all bugs, not just the live ones? | 11:26 |
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KlausUhl | There is a "Search" link in Bugzilla's top bar. | 11:39 |
KlausUhl | When you click on it you can select "Status: All" | 11:39 |
KlausUhl | If you want to have even more control over the result set you can also play with the "Advanced Search" tab. | 11:41 |
jeremiah | KlausUhl++ | 11:44 |
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waltminer | Good morning | 12:53 |
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waltminer | paulsherwood can you use your powers to try to create a branch in meta-renesas. I want to see if I fixed the problem Tanikawa-san had | 12:54 |
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waltminer | *** AGL SAT Meeting **** | 13:14 |
waltminer | Walt would like to create meta-ivi-common now and use the GENIVI members to enure checks on whether this is truly common | 13:15 |
waltminer | Tanikawa suggested we can create the folder in gerrit and move packages over as we go | 13:16 |
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waltminer | Discussing Mentor’s propsal for contributions from Eugeny | 13:18 |
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waltminer | Paul is fishing | 13:20 |
* paulsherwood is trying to establish whether are genivi participants who are supportive of the proposal for a meta-ivi-common | 13:22 | |
* paulsherwood believes eugeny has not yet had chance to consider that layer properly, but confirms mentor is interested to contribute to layers where their experience is relevant | 13:23 | |
paulsherwood | wm says actual first formal release target is december, phase 1 (end aug) will not be a formal release, but a basis for the AMM discussion | 13:24 |
paulsherwood | wm says hope is to have enough of ci framework live by end of month to use that to support integrarion | 13:25 |
* paulsherwood confirms that is his aim, with help :) | 13:25 | |
paulsherwood | eugeny is suggesting possibly aligning with genivi release cycle i think? | 13:26 |
paulsherwood | waltminer likes eugeny's proposal | 13:28 |
paulsherwood | waltminer asks if the genivi release process is public. i think it is not | 13:30 |
paulsherwood | eugeny suggests starting with what we have, keep it similar to genivi but no need to explicitly be the same | 13:32 |
paulsherwood | eugeny suggests the actual frequency of release cycle for agl shoudl be chosen to fit the needs of agl | 13:33 |
paulsherwood | eugeny suggests evaluate after end of phase 1 | 13:33 |
paulsherwood | eugeny is recommending the concept of feature freeze followed by integration phase, as done in genivi | 13:36 |
paulsherwood | (we don't have lots of hard deadlines, but there are two here - AMM and CES) | 13:37 |
paulsherwood | waltminer says we are all on the same page :) | 13:37 |
waltminer | Tanikawa - were you able to create the branches? | 13:38 |
Tanikawa | walt - maybe permissions is ok, but I need bracnh which is empty commit, to branch from it. | 13:40 |
paulsherwood | waltminer is raising the topic of systemd.... let the init wars continue :) | 13:40 |
Tanikawa | walt - I didnt know that gerrit does not allow to branch empty commit. | 13:41 |
Tanikawa | walt - maybe need to remake project AGL/meta-renesas | 13:41 |
paulsherwood | waltminer notes that we probably don't have resources for multiple paths (eg both systemd and not systemd) | 13:41 |
paulsherwood | (we must avoid ending up with a large testing matrix of options) | 13:42 |
paulsherwood | is there anything in the set of AGL components which will be broken if systemd is present? | 13:44 |
paulsherwood | if not, i think it's safer to include it because it is already integrated and well-used in genivi | 13:44 |
paulsherwood | waltminer suggests inviting AlisonChaiken to the AMM to participate in this discussion as an expert who has worked with systemd in automotive projects | 13:45 |
paulsherwood | +1 from me :) | 13:45 |
paulsherwood | discussion is moving on to AMM - waltminer explaining we need architecture sessions to ensure that the architecture meets the needs we are aware of | 13:48 |
* paulsherwood wonders if it would be possible to persuade gunnar or others from genivi sat to participate :) | 13:49 | |
paulsherwood | question is who will handle multimedia | 13:57 |
* paulsherwood confirms codetihnk will help with this if no-one else is available | 13:59 | |
paulsherwood | eugeny asks if codethink has epxerience with gdp on the renesas boards | 13:59 |
paulsherwood | we have experience on th renesas boards for other projects, but are awaiting boards for the work in public | 14:00 |
paulsherwood | eugeny asked if we will have code review for the changes to bsp | 14:02 |
* paulsherwood suggests that we would start by pushing the publisged renesas bsp, and any changes would be handled via code review | 14:02 | |
* paulsherwood hears on another channel that codethink now has the renesas hardware :-) | 14:03 | |
waltminer | Tanikawa did you disable gstreamer in meta-renesas? | 14:04 |
waltminer | Tanikawa masked gstreamer recipes. He will try gstreamer after Bon holidays next week | 14:06 |
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paulsherwood | suggestion is to use jira for tasks | 14:07 |
* waltminer would like people to use jira to track their work | 14:07 | |
waltminer | to avoid duplication | 14:07 |
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* paulsherwood is sorry, must leave the meeting | 14:08 | |
* waltminer Eugeny and Paul as well as any other interested parties will work out the initial integration flow in the next few days. | 14:13 | |
* waltminer is on holiday next week | 14:13 | |
waltminer | Japan team members are on holiday next week | 14:14 |
waltminer | *** End AGL SAT Meeting *** | 14:14 |
* waltminer will pour more coffee | 14:15 | |
* CTtpollard receives a R Car M2 board :) | 14:15 | |
JEEB | I should try to get a system running again on my 10-inch intel tablet that I bought some time ago. | 14:16 |
JEEB | the 32bit UEFI firmware is kind of meh | 14:16 |
rjek | UEFI :( | 14:19 |
waltminer | Tanikawa did it work now? | 14:21 |
JEEB | rjek: UEFI itself isn't that bad, and lets you do stuff like secure boot if you want to start securing your setup | 14:22 |
JEEB | the 32bit UEFI on 64bit capable thing kind of makes things a bit more complicated when you want to put a 64bit linux on it | 14:23 |
rjek | The problem I have with it is that it is woefully complex and all the implementations still have bugs :) | 14:28 |
rjek | And things like boot configurations being stored in NVRAM so it's not trivial to move boot devices between systems, etc | 14:28 |
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AlisonChaiken | paulsherwood I wish I could attend more of the AMM, but others in my company are more active in GENIVI, not to mention closer to Korea. | 14:46 |
AlisonChaiken | Thanks for the suggestion, though. | 14:47 |
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paulsherwood | AlisonChaiken: i think waltminer is going to try to *persuade you* :) | 14:47 |
waltminer | AlisonChaiken the AGL AMM which is in Santa Clara | 14:48 |
waltminer | Sep 8 - 9 | 14:48 |
AlisonChaiken | Ah, that sounds a bit more possible! | 14:49 |
waltminer | I want to have a session on systemd and I know you done a lot of work on it | 14:49 |
waltminer | you would certainly be welcome to attend the entire AMM | 14:49 |
jlrmagnus | Morning. | 14:50 |
AlisonChaiken | That sounds interesting. We have a couple folks who worked on it a fair amount. | 14:50 |
jlrmagnus | waltminer: Paul will be organizing the AMM on our behalf. | 14:50 |
jlrmagnus | Somebody will give a speech on RVI, although it may not be me. | 14:50 |
AlisonChaiken | It's certainy okay with me if it's okay with the grown-ups. | 14:50 |
* waltminer guffaws at the thought of grown ups | 14:51 | |
* paulsherwood and AlisonChaiken are not grownups :) | 14:51 | |
AlisonChaiken | waltminer when a Chinese OEM visited recently, the managers sat at one end of the table, and all the engineers at the other. | 14:52 |
AlisonChaiken | By rank, clearly. I was hoping our end would get crayons. | 14:52 |
* jlrmagnus wonders if he has grown up yet. | 14:54 | |
rjek | Tesla whoops: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33802344 | 14:57 |
rjek | Take away statement here I feel is "But they said Tesla had work to do to ensure a strict separation between systems that control the car and those that oversee its entertainment system." | 14:59 |
paulsherwood | well, another take-away is that they can update their systems without a recall, iiuc? | 15:02 |
CTtpollard | weston: have you managed to get GDP running on Porter yet? | 15:04 |
CTtpollard | has anyone followed http://wiki.projects.genivi.org/index.php/Hardware_Setup_and_Software_Installation/koelsch%26porter recently? | 15:10 |
radiofree | is the porter the "official" board of the GDP? | 15:12 |
radiofree | in an ideal world you'd just say "use mesa, go ask your vendor for help if you need to install some proprietary gl stack" | 15:12 |
CTtpollard | specifically step 2. under the graphics driver section for Porter, 'copy_gfx_software_<board>.sh' | 15:12 |
paulsherwood | radiofree: it's not 'official', but the original implementation was/is for Porter | 15:12 |
radiofree | that seems like a mistake then | 15:13 |
CTtpollard | I can't find any shell scripts in said directory | 15:13 |
paulsherwood | it is possible/worthwhile to implement GDP on other equipment :) | 15:13 |
radiofree | well AFAICT there's nothing hardware specific about the GDP | 15:13 |
paulsherwood | radiofree: what is a mistake? | 15:13 |
radiofree | paulsherwood: it shouldn't have been developed on a board that uses a proprietary graphics stack | 15:14 |
radiofree | s/on/for/ | 15:15 |
paulsherwood | radiofree: well, most boards have those iiuc | 15:15 |
CTtpollard | my meta-renesas repo is on commit 6e829fe6e422793bbb05ec563c8544154c0e9bd8 as specified in demo readme | 15:16 |
paulsherwood | CTtpollard: there must be git magic to tell you if there's anything in that directory for other commits | 15:17 |
radiofree | paulsherwood: sure, and they mostly have completely different ones, it's a lot easier to use mesa and say "ask your vendor for the graphics stack" | 15:17 |
radiofree | that at least gives you freedreno/nouveau in the arm world, intel elsewhere | 15:18 |
paulsherwood | radiofree: ah. maybe i'm not understanding - are you saying this is using something proprieratyin instead of mesa? | 15:18 |
CTtpollard | paulsherwood: yes it does | 15:18 |
radiofree | paulsherwood: yes, porter is pvr right? | 15:19 |
paulsherwood | yes | 15:19 |
radiofree | i have heard the etna_viv for the i.mx is pretty good as well | 15:19 |
CTtpollard | find can't locate the file, so I'll look for git magic | 15:24 |
paulsherwood | git log --all -- <path-to-file> | 15:26 |
paulsherwood | git log --diff-filter=D --summary | grep delete | 15:26 |
paulsherwood | (credits to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7203515/how-to-locate-a-deleted-file-in-the-commit-history) | 15:26 |
CTtpollard | the second one doesn't show that it was ever deleted | 15:30 |
rjek | paulsherwood: Fortunately for Tesla the bug is in something that can be OTA upgraded, yes. | 15:30 |
CTtpollard | this is odd | 15:30 |
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paulsherwood | CTtpollard: what is? | 15:55 |
CTtpollard | paulsherwood: not being able to find these scripts, I've mailed the genevi-projects list with my issue | 15:57 |
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paulsherwood | that is odd, actually. | 16:07 |
paulsherwood | CTtpollard: fwiw i think that slawr's repo is no longer the right upstream | 16:09 |
paulsherwood | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-renesas/ | 16:10 |
paulsherwood | also, while you're on this, would you consider writing a script to do all the git clone and copy stuff? seems unnecessary pain for users to have to do that one line at a time? :) | 16:11 |
paulsherwood | actually, maybe i could write some definitions for it, and build it using ybd :) | 16:11 |
paulsherwood | jk | 16:11 |
paulsherwood | CTtpollard: you have mail :) | 16:12 |
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