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| paulsherwood | jonathanmaw: can you confirm what groups you belong to on the agl gerrit please? | 08:25 |
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| jonathanmaw | paulsherwood: I'm in the group AGL-committers | 08:26 |
| paulsherwood | jonathanmaw: please could you push a test commit to verify that works? | 08:29 |
| paulsherwood | there is a Test project for this very purpose | 08:29 |
| jonathanmaw | hrm. "fatal: Upload denied for project 'AGL/Test-Project'" | 08:36 |
| paulsherwood | that's what i see too | 08:36 |
| paulsherwood | have you tried adding a public key? | 08:37 |
| jonathanmaw | my public key is added | 08:37 |
| paulsherwood | right. after setting a password for https, i get... | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | ~/Projects/2015/AGL/Test-Project>git push origin master | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | Username for 'https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org': paulsherwood | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | Password for 'https://paulsherwood@gerrit.automotivelinux.org': | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | fatal: remote error: | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | Upload denied for project 'AGL/Test-Project' | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | which means that auth is working at least. and probably it's correct i should not be able to push to master | 08:39 |
| paulsherwood | but i can't push to a branch either | 08:40 |
| paulsherwood | and using git:// i get fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /gerrit/AGL/Test-Project.git | 08:41 |
| paulsherwood | pushing to branch or to master | 08:41 |
| jonathanmaw | paulsherwood: have you tried "git push origin HEAD/refs/for/master"? It's not working for me, but who knows for you. | 08:47 |
| paulsherwood | nerror: failed to push some refs to 'https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/AGL/Test-Project' | 08:49 |
| paulsherwood | i think tanikawa-san has identified the problem | 08:50 |
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| paulsherwood | he thinks no-one has push rights | 08:51 |
| CTtpollard | I currently have a list of ~15 urls which yocto gdp fails to fetch when building, but successfully manages to find mirrors of | 09:07 |
| CTtpollard | would it be beneficial to find the mirrors manually and change them, or not? | 09:08 |
| paulsherwood | CTtpollard: post that set to the genivi-projects list, please. | 09:18 |
| paulsherwood | i think it would be worth tracking down the mirrors, but also it may be that they are already mirrored at git.baserock.org? | 09:19 |
| CTtpollard | paulsherwood: two failed, which I used jonathanmaw's patch to fix, these don't fail, but it might be nice to tidy it up | 09:19 |
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| paulsherwood | it *would* be nice to tidy it up, but there's a slightly deeper question, about whether genivi (and agl) want to host mirrrors of all the upstreams they care about | 09:20 |
| jeremiah | OHAI! | 09:20 |
| paulsherwood | if you post the current problem list, i'll follow up and get the discussion moving | 09:21 |
| paulsherwood | jeremiah: welcome! | 09:21 |
| jeremiah | paulsherwood: Thanks! Great to be here amongst friends. :-) | 09:21 |
| paulsherwood | lots more folk hanging here than on #genivi these days :) | 09:21 |
| jeremiah | I think we should shut #genivi down actually. | 09:21 |
| CTtpollard | paulsherwood: ok | 09:21 |
| paulsherwood | jeremiah: i think we may finally be reachin 'critical mass' to call it an actual community :) | 09:21 |
| jeremiah | But we'll let it linger a bit and then pull the plug before 2016 | 09:21 |
| jeremiah | paulsherwood: I agree! | 09:22 |
| paulsherwood | jeremiah: maybe leave it, with a redirect in the topic to point folks here? | 09:22 |
| jeremiah | Lots of list traffic, active IRC channel, what more could you want? | 09:22 |
| jeremiah | Now all we need is some code . . . | 09:22 |
| paulsherwood | jeremiah: working code! | 09:22 |
| jeremiah | heh | 09:22 |
| paulsherwood | jeremiah: note we're logging here, so we folks can be as opinionated as they like :-) | 09:23 |
| jeremiah | Sounds good, logging can be quite useful. | 09:23 |
| jeremiah | I'll try not to use salty language but hey, its IRC and old habits die hard. ;D | 09:23 |
| jeremiah | jonathanmaw++ for helping out J. Lowe. | 09:24 |
| jeremiah | I missed the BIT meeting today :/ | 09:25 |
| jonathanmaw | jeremiah: Although Johnny Karlsson actually beat me to it, with his cunning plan of being in the office before I was | 09:25 |
| jeremiah | jonathanmaw: The gall of the man. | 09:25 |
| jeremiah | How dare he. | 09:25 |
| rjek | hah | 09:26 |
| jeremiah | He joined the genivi-projects list too so I expect we'll see him around. :-) | 09:26 |
| jeremiah | Just got a Porter board, going to use it for testing. | 09:57 |
| CTtpollard | \o/ | 09:58 |
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| * rjek now requires porter. | 10:00 | |
| CTtpollard | looking at the edit page of the Hardware & Software setup for GDP, it has a hidden section for pre-built images. What are the plans for hosting this? | 10:01 |
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| jeremiah | My understanding is that the Porter is going to be able to be purchased through DigiKey. | 11:06 |
| jeremiah | I've no idea when or for howmuch but I'm sure there'll be a message about it here. | 11:07 |
| * CTtpollard boots GDP for the first time | 11:12 | |
| CTtpollard | I might switch to KVM for the suggested better performance though | 11:17 |
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| waltminer | good morning | 12:40 |
| waltminer | tip for the day. Connect your second display if you expect it show your desktop | 12:41 |
| * waltminer will start to hunt down gerrit problems | 12:41 | |
| jeremiah | Hunt those gerrits! | 12:42 |
| waltminer | jonathanmaw did you try to push a branch? | 12:44 |
| jonathanmaw | waltminer: not for about 4 hours | 12:44 |
| waltminer | Under access rights all “AGL-committers” have “Submit” permissions | 12:44 |
| waltminer | I have not changed anything | 12:45 |
| waltminer | I thought that gave you permisson to submit a branch | 12:46 |
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| jonathanmaw | waltminer: here's what happens when I try to push: http://pastebin.com/T8x5kLBt | 12:47 |
| waltminer | You should be pushing to a branch not to master | 12:51 |
| waltminer | let me try my test account. My main account will work without a problem | 12:52 |
| jonathanmaw | waltminer: I get the same error when I try "HEAD:refs/for/jonathan-test" or "jonathan-test" | 12:52 |
| waltminer | ok | 12:53 |
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| CTtpollard | running gdp under kvm-qemu is much much faster from my experience, as discussed here http://lists.genivi.org/pipermail/genivi-meta-ivi/2015-May/000529.html | 13:42 |
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| CTtpollard | my yocto gdp currently has working the nav , media and application examples, but I believe browser should also work? Has anyone else experienced this? | 14:29 |
| radiofree | i certainly never managed to get it working with any reliability when integrating it for the jetson | 14:49 |
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| radiofree | probably requires a dozen or so random patches from every corner of the internet | 14:49 |
| CTtpollard | radiofree: i catch your drift | 14:50 |
| waltminer | jonathanmaw please try again | 15:05 |
| jonathanmaw | waltminer: something happened! | 15:06 |
| jonathanmaw | I now have a test commit up for review for the Test-Project | 15:06 |
| waltminer | Woot | 15:06 |
| paulsherwood | waltminer: if you could review mine too please, there's a dear :) | 15:08 |
| paulsherwood | waltminer: could i be added to mergers, please? | 15:10 |
| waltminer | +1 to jm from my committer only account | 15:10 |
| paulsherwood | i saw that :) | 15:12 |
| waltminer | submitted from main account | 15:12 |
| paulsherwood | and his change is merged.... w00t! :) | 15:12 |
| CTtpollard | :D | 15:13 |
| waltminer | ok this seems wrong | 15:13 |
| paulsherwood | whatdoes? | 15:13 |
| waltminer | I was able to revert the commit from my test account | 15:14 |
| paulsherwood | it was all looking fantastic there for a while :) | 15:14 |
| waltminer | i know but I try to break things | 15:14 |
| paulsherwood | waltminer: i don't thiny you've reverted it in master on gerrit? | 15:14 |
| jonathanmaw | waltminer: It seems you can put reverting a change up for review, that seems sensible behaviour to me. | 15:14 |
| paulsherwood | +1 | 15:14 |
| waltminer | yes, that is what happened. | 15:17 |
| waltminer | I abandoned the revert from my real account | 15:18 |
| waltminer | with great power comes great responsibility | 15:21 |
| waltminer | paulsherwood you are now a merger | 15:22 |
| * paulsherwood grins, maniacally :) | 15:23 | |
| paulsherwood | tvm waltminer | 15:23 |
| waltminer | np | 15:24 |
| waltminer | will send an email in a sec to the list about the set up | 15:24 |
| * waltminer first needs more coffee | 15:25 | |
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| dl9pf | coffee ++ | 15:28 |
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| waltminer | paulsherwood are you still awake? | 21:37 |
| paulsherwood | waltminer: yes | 21:42 |
| * paulsherwood is forever on irc :) | 21:42 | |
| waltminer | did you start of the developer flow? | 21:43 |
| paulsherwood | you mean https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/integration-flow ? | 21:43 |
| waltminer | I saw you made a minor but interesting change to the wiki this morning in governance | 21:44 |
| paulsherwood | i just did a quick hack of what was sent to the list, i need to think about it more carefully any polish | 21:44 |
| paulsherwood | what was 'interesting' about it? did i do sometihing dumb? | 21:44 |
| waltminer | just the substitution of the “/ | 21:45 |
| paulsherwood | oh, yes. is that ok? | 21:45 |
| waltminer | Not sure. I want to have the roles we defined today in gerrit reflected in the governance and add a diagram. That is my next task unless you had started on it. I think the integration flow follows from there | 21:47 |
| paulsherwood | i have not done any more writing on this, so i'll follow your lead | 21:47 |
| waltminer | This is what I was saying when we spoke earlier. Committer = AGL-merger | 21:48 |
| paulsherwood | eugeny's email raises an interesting question... if a company wants to contribute, without naming individual engineers, would we consider allowing for a generic maintainer@foo-organisation identity? | 21:48 |
| paulsherwood | right | 21:48 |
| waltminer | I have seen companies have a designated contributor/ upstreamer | 21:49 |
| paulsherwood | however, i was only adjusting the title to reflect the existing text | 21:49 |
| paulsherwood | 'we have no distinction between Committers and Contributors' | 21:49 |
| paulsherwood | so i would suggest we describe Merger separately? | 21:49 |
| waltminer | that is what I am going to do | 21:50 |
| paulsherwood | ah, ok. so you're tweaking the text on that page? | 21:50 |
| waltminer | I plan to | 21:50 |
| waltminer | in the next hour or so | 21:50 |
| waltminer | i need to send out the link to the SC so companies will have a better idea of what we expect their FTEs to do | 21:51 |
| paulsherwood | is the 'overall maintainer' concept still valid? or do you want to go with the Mergers can merge across projects? | 21:51 |
| waltminer | I want to tidy it up a bit | 21:51 |
| waltminer | I have thinking about that one. Probably best for an email, but the AGL-mergers can merge across projects the way it is set up now. The question I have is do we set up another group (per project(?)) that are the subsystem maintainers | 21:53 |
| paulsherwood | i don't think it's necessary, really? | 21:54 |
| waltminer | Or do we add them to an ever growing merger group | 21:54 |
| paulsherwood | i don't think it will be 'ever growing'... can easily be pruned if folks cease to contribute | 21:55 |
| paulsherwood | the main reason i'm in favour of the general approach is to avoid bottlenecks, ensure multiple folks are confident/able to merge | 21:56 |
| waltminer | Unfortunately I have the experience of doing this with a 2000 member software team at Motorola I some of my thinking comes from that type of scale | 21:56 |
| waltminer | When Mot first switched to git it was the wide open west and anyone could break the main | 21:57 |
| paulsherwood | well, i expect that this would require refinement long before that :) | 21:57 |
| paulsherwood | but i'm guessing we can scale to 20-40 mergers before seeing problems | 21:58 |
| paulsherwood | (just a guess, though) | 21:58 |
| waltminer | that is too many | 21:59 |
| paulsherwood | why? | 21:59 |
| paulsherwood | (i'm not suggesting that all mergers actually and actively do merges across all projects) | 22:00 |
| waltminer | ok. 20 - 40 if you include subsystem guys is what I expect | 22:00 |
| paulsherwood | yup. and so at a pinch, if fred who normally does most of the merges for the foo system is unavailable, someone else can step in and merge things that are +2 | 22:02 |
| waltminer | damn that Fred again | 22:02 |
| waltminer | someone else. Not 20-40 someones | 22:03 |
| paulsherwood | oh, so you prefer a small named set of mergers per subsysystem | 22:03 |
| waltminer | Bingo | 22:03 |
| paulsherwood | s/small/2 or 3?/ | 22:03 |
| waltminer | 3 is probably ideal | 22:04 |
| paulsherwood | well, your call. you're one of the folks who'll be administering it :) | 22:04 |
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| waltminer | maybe a 4th | 22:04 |
| paulsherwood | it's more groups, a bit more complexity is all | 22:04 |
| waltminer | i absolutley understand. That is why I don’t want to start with that | 22:05 |
| paulsherwood | he work is in the reviews, not the merging imo. merging is a rubber-stamp activity in this context | 22:05 |
| paulsherwood | (but i may be wrong... others definitely see things differently) | 22:05 |
| waltminer | When merges are trivial yes. When you need to decide whether to upgrade a package version from upstream no | 22:07 |
| waltminer | should say most patches should be trivial | 22:07 |
| paulsherwood | so you think that a merger should think carefully about that kind of change, even though two people independently reviewed it and gave +2? | 22:09 |
| paulsherwood | my problem there is how to explain that the process is one thing for some changes, and another for other changes | 22:09 |
| paulsherwood | reviewers could flag 'this is a huge change... I'm +1 but i think that Fred needs to be sure before merging' | 22:10 |
| waltminer | I assume a major change like is subject to a mail list debate and the +2 is “automatic” once the team agrees on the course of action. What we have is fine for now. | 22:14 |
| paulsherwood | ok. i'm sleeping now :) | 22:16 |
| waltminer | later | 22:16 |
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