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jonathanmawiirc, it's planned to have agl-image-minimal ready in approx. 6 minutes. Is that plan written down anywhere?10:32
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paulsherwoodjonathanmaw: ??14:38
paulsherwoodwhere was that planned?14:38
jonathanmawpaulsherwood: I think it was something mentioned in last Tuesday's call14:39
jonathanmawif not that, I'm not sure where I got that idea from.14:39
paulsherwoodi think 6 weeks was mentioned?14:40
paulsherwoodbut i'm thinking it must be holidays at the moment since my recent questions on this have not been answered14:40
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jlrmagnusFor what it is worth: rvi-test1.nginfotpdx.net will now run security enabled RVI server for a bit.16:25
jlrmagnusAny remote nodes connecting to test1 without the right credentials will be rejected.16:26
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paulsherwoodjlrmagnus: is the idea to see if it survives pentesting and/or random probing by the internet badguys?17:02
persiaAlso, are nodes configured in such a way that spoofing DNS won't allow them to connect to ther servers?17:05
jlrmagnuspaulsherwood: Initial testing.17:05
jlrmagnusNodes will usually connect directly by IP address.17:06
jlrmagnusAnd even if the address was spoofed, the lack of correctly signed certificates would alert the connecting party that something is not right.17:06
paulsherwoodjlrmagnus: still, you used the words 'security enabled'... that's very tempting for some folk :)17:07
persiaWhat is the CA for this?17:07
jlrmagnusOne sec.17:07
jlrmagnusulfwiger: Rise and shine. Your code is being debated.17:07
jlrmagnushttps://github.com/PDXostc/rvi_core/blob/release-next/doc/rvi_services.md17:08
jlrmagnusCore services. Still a bit disoganized, and needs to be broken up into multiple docs.17:08
jlrmagnusSee "Device Setup" for initial provisioning.17:09
jlrmagnusSee "Device Management" for certificate distribution.17:09
jlrmagnusulfwiger can answer specific questions about cert format.17:09
jlrmagnusPlease note that this is a first stab at the code, and thing will change during the coming month or two.17:09
persiaIt's the definition of "root certificate" that isn't there.  Is this intended to use common CA acceptance rules?  CA-per-OEM?   Something-else?17:11
jlrmagnusRoot cert will be signed by JLR's private key (in our case).17:11
jlrmagnusNodes will be pre-provisioned with said root cert.17:11
jlrmagnusIf a certificate's signature chain, ending in the root cert, doesn't validate, we'll ignore the connection from the remote RVI that failed to authenticate.17:12
persiaOK.  So root-cert-by-OEM, with that root-cert signed by OEM-cert, presumably backed by public CA (to avoid being able to spoof an entire OEM)17:12
jlrmagnusPublic CA is deployment dependent.17:12
persia(not that public CA is that strong, but it's better than needing to magically trust arbitrary OEM-certs signing the root certs)17:12
persiaThe JLR private key used to sign the root cert isn't a key that can be validated externally?17:13
jlrmagnusWe may also, although this is speculation, see several root certs so that a single RVI node can connect to multiple independent service providers.17:13
jlrmagnuspersia, Yes. It can.17:13
jlrmagnusThat opens for a public CA.17:13
persiaThat's all I meant by "public CA": I don't expect raw trust of public CA to be anyone's final solution :)17:13
jlrmagnusok.17:14
persiaThanks for explaining.17:14
jlrmagnusI believe that many deployments will be internal affairs between a vehicle and its manufacturer.17:14
jlrmagnusHowever there are some interesting companion cert use cases we cover as well:17:14
jlrmagnusI am sitting in a car and want to stream media to the IVI.17:14
jlrmagnusI bring up a QR code with a cert on the IVI and take a photo from my RVI-enabled media streamer app.17:15
jlrmagnusThat QR-transmitted cert can be locally signed by the vehicle without involving a root cert (or the internet).17:15
jlrmagnusPlease note that this transaction may happen in a garage with no coverage.17:16
jlrmagnusBut these are early days, so we may end up redoing everything.17:17
persiaHeh, of course :)17:17
jlrmagnusYou know how to build a system once you've built it.17:17
paulsherwoodlol17:18
persiaSometimes.  Sometimes it takes until the third time.17:18
jlrmagnusTrue.17:18
ulfwigerIt would be entirely possible to enforce trust chain, but that's not done now. In fact, the nodes default to self-signing because it simplifies testing.17:31
persiaWho has to trust the node?17:34
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ulfwiger1The key to the trust is the provisioning server's public key. The provisioning server signs the certificates, including the node's authorization cert (which includes its public key(s)).17:42
ulfwiger1Thus, the receiving node validates the auth cert using a trusted public key.17:43
ulfwiger1(Although at this stage we simply assume/fake that trust when testing)17:43
ulfwiger1Rudi may well be more thorough in what he's doing. I have no problem adding validation of the trust chain to rvi_core. It's just a pain to start out that way. Much easier to generate your own keys.17:44
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persiaAh, that makes sense.  By doing it at provisioning time, one can use whatever manual process one wishes to ensure one is not defining nodes with the wrong key, and then spoofing becomes a cryptographic problem, rather than there being an obvious process gap.18:59
jlrmagnusRudi?19:18
rstreif_yes19:18
jlrmagnusWaiting for Kristoffger.19:19
jlrmagnusRemote vehicle unlock certificate distribution coming up.19:19
jlrmagnusUlf?19:19
jlrmagnusAs in Mr. Wiger.19:19
jlrmagnusKristoffer is on the phone.19:20
jlrmagnusRudi19:20
jlrmagnusjlr.com/mobile/865800020280340/dm/cert_provision is available on rvi-test1, and routes to Kristoffer's android app.19:20
jlrmagnusI'll try to setup that device on the website just to see if I can do it.19:21
jlrmagnusrstreif_: I will provision a new remote. Correct?19:22
jlrmagnusRudi. Do you have a suitable pem generating command?19:26
jlrmagnusFound it.19:30
jlrmagnusrstreif_: I assume that only the public key goes into the KEY PEM field?19:34
jlrmagnusFailed to send remote to Android app.19:40
jlrmagnusI'll restart the web app.19:40
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jlrmagnusHello Kristoffer19:40
Stoffe_Hej!19:40
jlrmagnusWe need Rudi.19:41
jlrmagnusI have provisioned your device, a test vehicle.19:41
jlrmagnusBut when I restarted the rvi backend webserver to connect to the new node, the backend would not come up.19:42
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jlrmagnusRudi is probably out to lunch.19:42
Stoffe_Ok, sorry rejoined19:42
jlrmagnusnp19:43
Stoffe_but you do not have my real id do you ?19:43
jlrmagnusNope. But I stole the number from the service you registered with.19:43
jlrmagnusjlr.com/mobile/865800020280340/dm/cert_provision19:43
jlrmagnusBut the key sending mechanism failed in Rudi's site, so that service never got invoked.19:44
rstreif_give me 15 min, busy with something else19:44
jlrmagnusOk.19:44
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jlrmagnusStoffe_: While we wait, do you believe that the iBeacon signal quality check is a viable path forward19:44
Stoffe_Yes, but it would be good with a real life test19:45
jlrmagnusBackground for the rest of the channel: We have integrated a RasPi with a keyfob so that we can press lock/unlock/trunk, etc using GPIO pins.19:45
Stoffe_today it only ranges down to the log but probably I should add that to the GUI19:45
jlrmagnusOk.19:45
Stoffe_the API returns the distance in meters19:45
jlrmagnusThat is pretty sweet.19:45
Stoffe_it would be good to know if its any representative19:46
jlrmagnusBackground: We run RVI and a simple python script on the RasPi and dump it in the car.19:46
jlrmagnusBackground: Mobile app, with an RVI library, comes up to the vehicle.19:46
jlrmagnusBackground: Bluetooth connection, P2P, between android and RasPi.19:46
jlrmagnusBackground: Android phone pops the locks.19:47
jlrmagnusThe idea is that you can throw away your car keys and just walk up to the car in order to have it pop the locks (and start the engine) as you approach.19:47
jlrmagnusLock as you leave it.19:47
jlrmagnusThe demo works, but the BT connection is too good and the car unlocks when you are 40-50 meters away.19:47
jlrmagnusHence we are digging into iBeacon to only setup the BT connection when you are close enough.19:48
jlrmagnusStoffe_: If you add an iBeacon range setting, I can test it in 10 minutes.19:48
jlrmagnusOn my car.19:48
Stoffe_It would be nice to range the car if the user happens to have the app up19:48
jlrmagnusYes.19:48
Stoffe_btw my mobile id 35443605484580319:49
jlrmagnusOk. But since we do manual provisioning for now, we don't really need a mobile id to send a token to.19:49
jlrmagnusI'll add it, though.19:49
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jlrmagnusrstreif: Are you sending certs?20:13
rstreifjust did, works now20:14
jlrmagnusOk.20:14
jlrmagnusStoffe20:14
jlrmagnusStoffe_: Did you see anything?20:14
jlrmagnusAh. W8. His app is not registered20:14
Stoffe_ok let me look again i was ranging20:15
jlrmagnusk20:15
Stoffe_oh yes20:15
Stoffe_D/RVI     (11980): rcv : {"tid":2,"cmd":"rcv","mod":"proto_json_rpc","data":"eyJzZXJ2aWNlIjoiamxyLmNvbVwvYnRcL3N0b2ZmZVwvcGluZyIsInRpbWVvdXQiOjE0MzMyNjY3\nMDQsInBhcmFtZXRlcnMiOlt7Ik8iOiJLIn1dLCJjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSI6IiIsInNpZ25hdHVyZSI6\nIiJ9\n"}20:15
jlrmagnusSweet!20:15
jlrmagnusSo we have basic provisioning -> device communication.20:16
Stoffe_no wait maybe that was on BT ..20:16
Stoffe_let me double check :/20:16
jlrmagnusk20:16
rstreifthat does not look like the right certificate data20:16
jlrmagnusRudi, you sent to device ID 1234?20:16
jlrmagnus Should be 35443605484580320:17
jlrmagnusUnless Stoffe_ has changed something20:17
rstreifI used the remote you defined. Device: stoffe, Vehicle: magnus_test20:17
jlrmagnusHm.20:17
jlrmagnusjlr.com/mobile/354436054845803/dm/cert_provision is now up20:18
jlrmagnusRudi, can you try again?20:18
rstreifThe JSON copied here is not the dm/cert_provision JSON.20:18
jlrmagnusRudi, please try again20:18
Stoffe_just did20:18
jlrmagnusjlr.com/mobile/1234/dm/cert_provision20:18
jlrmagnusThat was the service invoked.20:18
jlrmagnusWrong ID. Let me check20:18
Stoffe_{"tid":1,"cmd":"sa","stat":"av","svcs":["jlr.com\/mobile\/354436054845803\/dm\/cert_provision"],"certificate":"","signature":""}20:19
jlrmagnusW8. You got that?20:19
Stoffe_i sent that20:19
rstreifWell, yes the id is correct. I am using the IMEI which you set to 1234. I can change that to UUID.20:19
jlrmagnusWill do.20:19
jlrmagnusI'll change the uuid20:19
jlrmagnusHave the screen up now20:19
jlrmagnusrstreif: Please try again.20:20
jlrmagnusStoffe_: Your app just disconnected.20:20
rstreifsent again20:21
jlrmagnusjlr.com/mobile/354436054845803/dm/cert_provision20:21
jlrmagnusLGTM.20:21
Stoffe_ok, but my app is complaining about the json ...20:22
jlrmagnusYour app is disconnected from rvi-test1.20:22
Stoffe_yes now again yes20:23
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jlrmagnusBack20:23
jlrmagnusStill not online.20:24
jlrmagnusCan you reconnect Stoffe_ ?20:24
jlrmagnusThank you20:25
Stoffe_just did20:25
jlrmagnusRudi. Can you try again, please.20:25
jlrmagnusStoffe_, Saw that.20:25
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Stoffe_but no cert this time20:25
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jlrmagnusSigh. I press Ctrl-q to turn on terminal output, but instead quit xchat.20:26
jlrmagnusrstreif: I'll try.20:26
jlrmagnusOne sec20:26
jlrmagnusBam.20:27
jlrmagnusYou have it.20:27
jlrmagnusStoffe_?20:27
rstreifwhat?20:27
jlrmagnusI sent you data.20:27
jlrmagnus{"tid":1,"cmd":"rcv","mod":"proto_json_rpc","data":"eyJzZ..."20:27
jlrmagnusSorry.20:27
jlrmagnusrstreif: I clicked "Send remote", and the remote was sent all the way to Stoffe_ .20:28
jlrmagnusStoffe_: You should have data.20:28
rstreifok, let me see the data20:28
jlrmagnusI'll post it in skype20:29
jlrmagnusDone.20:29
jlrmagnusThat is what was received from you.20:29
jlrmagnusForwarded pretty much verbatim to Stoffe_.20:30
Stoffe_I just see this on the socket20:30
Stoffe_I/RVI     (17649): Received from Cloud : {"tid":1,"cmd":"au","addr":"38.129.64.31","port":8807,"ver":"1.0","cert":"","sign":""}20:30
Stoffe_I/RVI     (17649): Sent to socket - ready : 020:30
Stoffe_I/RVI     (17649): Sent to socket - ready : 51 open = 12320:30
Stoffe_I/RVI     (17649): Received from Cloud : {"tid":1,"cmd":"sa","stat":"av","svcs":[],"sign":""}20:30
rstreiflooks good20:30
Stoffe_I/RVI     (17649): Sent to socket - ready : 020:30
Stoffe_but not the 3rd messade with the cert20:30
jlrmagnusk20:31
jlrmagnusChecking20:31
Stoffe_I saw it once but then my parser complained because it was not a perfect { }20:31
jlrmagnusI am pretty sure we sent it to you.20:32
Stoffe_what I saw was ~ 1400 bytes but the cert from your trace looks like closer to 3k20:32
jlrmagnusDo you want me to try again?20:32
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jlrmagnusSigh.20:32
jlrmagnusSorry.20:32
jlrmagnusDo you want me to send it again?20:32
Stoffe_ok20:32
jlrmagnusWTF. I managed to kill the rvi server on test1./20:32
jlrmagnusPlease reconnect.20:32
jlrmagnusNot my day today.20:33
Stoffe_ok20:33
jlrmagnusOk. Saw the reconnect. Tnx.20:33
jlrmagnusSending.20:33
Stoffe_reconnected20:33
jlrmagnusSent/20:33
Stoffe_last time you were just messing with me right ?20:34
Stoffe_I/RVI     (23364): Received from Cloud :20:34
Stoffe_{"tid":1,"cmd":"rcv","mod":"proto_json_rpc","data":"eyJzZXJ2aWNlIjoiamxyLmNvbS9tb2JpbGUvMzU0NDM2MDU0ODQ1ODAzL2RtL2NlcnRfcHJvdmlzaW9uIiwidGltZW91dCI6MTQzNTk2MDYzMDAwMCwicGFyYW1ldGVycyI6W3siY2VydGlkIjoiNzVhNTk4MmEtMDNiMC00ZTE5LWI1YjAtYjRiN2QyZTNjOGM3In0seyJjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSI6ImV5SmhiR2NpT2lKU1V6STFOaUlzSW5SNWNDSTZJa3BYVkNKOS5leUpyWlhseklqcGJleUoxYzJVaU9pSnphV2NpTENKbElqb2lRVkZCUWlJc0ltdDBlU0k2SW5KellTSXNJbUZzWnlJNklsSlRNalUySWl3aWJpST20:34
Stoffe_tMUlOM1JCTm10T1V6ZEhTMGs1YjB0U1VWZHVUR0pUYzNCUGRXOTFkVlEzVTNGcFVWZG9SRWRvUm1WRGRXMWFSMkY0U1dWRFVuZFFSMnBKUjFCbFJHSm5ha2xVVkRGeWFtaFZkVmhpUVRSc1lsUkxka2MxTmpaMlRHZHhUbGR1VmxGMGRuVTNVMXBMVTJFelgxOTBUbmRoWjBwR1gxRTJOWGx6U1ZoelRGZFRRMHRhVlZGSFJWQlRUVEJxUjJ4eVVFNHlZa2hmY0ZoU2F6UllaVUkxVjA1RWVHZG1ablJ1YTNObFpHdGZORFJuYW14T1gzcG9MWEpQUlZFNGMyVlliVlJzU2pGWmFUUmplV0k0TjJvM05rbHFibVZUVEhKRmVtMHRORVZGUzNKRlZYZ3dWRkJqWVhOdFJYTjFjMFZFUTJKbVNVe20:34
Stoffe_Ea3RkM2sxUTFSaWREQndhbE5rTVV4SmRuRmFSVkF5V2psdFJtRjBZV3RoUVcxcWVEbHpMV2RCUlVOVlFXZE5Wa1JDVlZKM2RYb3dkM2h0ZVcxbVYxRkpjV1pHVGtscFVGZ3RaRU5ITTBKWFptUm5kejA5SWl3aWEybGtJam9pTm1JNE5tSXlOek5tWmpNMFptTmxNVGxrTm1JNE1EUmxabVkxWVRObU5UYzBOMkZrWVRSbFlXRXlNbVl4WkRRNVl6QXhaVFV5WkdSaU56ZzNOV0kwWWlKOVhTd2lkbUZzYVdScGRIa2lPbnNpYzNSaGNuUWlPakUwTXpVNU5USXpNVEFzSW5OMGIzQWlPakUwTXpjMU9UTTVNVFI5TENKemIzVnlZMlZ6SWpwYkltcHNjaTVqYjIwdmJXOWlhV3hsTHpNMU5EU20:34
Stoffe_UZ3dNeUpkTENKamNtVmhkR1ZmZEdsdFpYTjBZVzF3SWpveE5ETTFPVFV5TXpNMUxDSnBaQ0k2SWpjMVlUVTVPREpoTFRBellqQXROR1V4T1MxaU5XSXdMV0kwWWpka01tVXpZemhqTnlJc0ltUmxjM1JwYm1GMGFXOXVjeUk2V3lKeWNHTTZhbXh5TG1OdmJTOTJhVzR2YldabGRXVnlYMk5sY25RdlkyOXVkSEp2YkM5c2IyTnJJaXdpY25Cak9tcHNjaTVqYjIwdmRtbHVMMjFtWlhWbGNsOWpaWEowTDJOdmJuUnliMnd2Wlc1bmFXNWxJaXdpY25Cak9tcHNjaTVqYjIwdmRtbHVMMjFtWlhWbGNsOWpaWEowTDJOdmJuUnliMnd2ZEhKMWJtc2lMQ0p5Y0dNNmFteHlMbU52YlM5MmFXN20:34
Stoffe_yTmxjblF2WTI5dWRISnZiQzlvYjNKdUlpd2ljbkJqT21wc2NpNWpiMjB2ZG1sdUwyMW1aWFZsY2w5alpYSjBMMk52Ym5SeWIyd3ZiR2xuYUhSeklpd2ljbkJqT21wc2NpNWpiMjB2ZG1sdUwyMW1aWFZsY2w5alpYSjBMMk52Ym5SeWIyd3ZkMmx1Wkc5M2N5SXNJbkp3WXpwcWJISXVZMjl0TDNacGJpOXRabVYxWlhKZlkyVnlkQzlqYjI1MGNtOXNMMmhoZW1GeVpDSmRmUS5ISkt2ekJ1RWdUUE1SSFRiVk9pbDVVNVNRTGhtVFhodUUtQXByMk1LNUc4Z1RPeTd6d1hmNHA1ejV4NVBWYm1qT29SdFJ0aXFNMmlXLW40V240bjhqd1UtckJZd0YzSmJMbjNKbjR1X194c3ljcmJEOVBCe20:34
Stoffe_2RkxXSjI4Ung5Uy13WlN2Q2lGbUhGOVh4OGx0bVRBWkpOMy0zaVU0ZmVZLW9JckN6bWxULV95MVVDNFpDVzVOaHI1U0FVUVBrVXRRSXJobjNsRnlxWUV3UHhhLTdNZlZHMENXSkp2enRpVkt2S1Znb1RDUGRiWlNqck94MDB4UDB6MWVDYThDLVRZVkZUOWNTSnRGRXQ3UHc4aDYxSnBvcDhtMGdEMkR3QlZibUdZMWtOa19CdC1BWE9CS19xVXZrcmZSd01feGxsbXAtajY3UUdpeUVnVHcifV0sInNpZ25hdHVyZSI6InNpZ25hdHVyZSIsImNlcnRpZmljYXRlIjoiY2VydGlmaWNhdGUifQ=="}20:34
jlrmagnusThank you mr flooder.20:34
jlrmagnusYes. That is what is RVI sent.20:34
jlrmagnusRun that through base64 decode and you should have it.20:34
jlrmagnusSame as the BT protoco.20:35
Stoffe_I just thought I use this IRC for a useful message !?20:35
rstreifthat looks better, can you send that to me in a file?20:35
Stoffe_Ok, but how can I trigger the message?20:35
Stoffe_would be good to make sure I can test parsing20:36
rstreif:) copied it out of IRC but decoder complains20:36
jlrmagnusStoffe.20:38
jlrmagnusLogin to http://rvi-test1.nginfotpdx.net:8000/admin/devices/remote/20:38
jlrmagnusSelect "magnus_unlock" and "Send selected remotes"20:39
jlrmagnusClick ok.20:39
jlrmagnusMagic will ensue.20:39
jlrmagnusSeems like Stoffe_ needs to go.20:40
jlrmagnusWe got initial e2e up and running anyway. Which is a very good start.20:40
jlrmagnusThanks Stoffe_ and rstreif.20:41
jlrmagnusI'll tear down rvi-test1 and reconfigure it with a different rvi_core branch to test ulfwiger1's code.20:41
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persiaFor content of that volume, it probably makes sense to use a pastebin.20:49
persiaDoes anyone have a preferred pastebin we ought recommend in the /topic?20:50
jlrmagnusI don't.20:50
jlrmagnuspastebin.com should probably work.20:50
persiaany objection to suggesting folk use http://sprunge.us/20:51
rstreifprobably yes, but I am not sure if necessary at this point, it was just a single test20:51
persiapastebin.com also works :)  let's use that.20:51
jlrmagnusOk.20:51
jlrmagnusSrpunge gave me a man page.20:51
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persiaThere's a link "this form" in the manpage that leads to the sprunge submission form.  The manpage is for the command-line client available from github.20:53
persiaBut sprunge is perhaps a bit uncommon, and complicated for new folk :)20:53
jlrmagnusYep. Saw that.20:53
rstreifjlrmagnus: the cert you sent me via Skype is good, I was able to decode it (after I removed the newline at the end that the editor added)20:59
jlrmagnusOk.21:04
jlrmagnusLet's pick this up on Monday when we are back from the weekend.21:04
jlrmagnusStoffe_ is, formally, on vacation.21:04
jlrmagnusI've switched test1 to Ulf's code now, testing out RVI-RVI credentials.21:05
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rstreifI will be out Monday through Wednesday21:30
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jlrmagnusok21:34

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