IRC logs for #baserock for Tuesday, 2016-07-26

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radiofreeis it easy to setup a trove that *isn't* a mirror of gbo, but has the same git repos10:27
radiofreewe just copy the lorry files right?10:27
pedroalvareznote, it has to be powerfull to lorry some svn10:28
pedroalvarezsome lorries may be pointing to dead repos10:28
pedroalvarezrepos/urls/tarballs etc10:28
pedroalvarezprobably other reasons :)10:28
pedroalvarezand possible failures10:29
radiofreeok, thanks10:29
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paulsherwoodradiofree: the issue is, if you do that, any conversions will not have the same SHAs in their histories11:38
paulsherwoodthat may be ok for your usecase, or not11:38
locallycompactreally? any?11:39
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pedroalvareznot any11:40
paulsherwoodso for example python-setuptools11:41
locallycompactalways different?11:41
paulsherwooddefinitions has 0aa6a4de5931d02876428388678802db2371fd37 in python2-core.morph.11:42
pedroalvarezI know that not all the conversions are going to be different, only cvs, and probably svn (and maybe old tarballs)11:42
paulsherwoodif a new trove is created that mirrors directly from that sha won't exist11:43
paulsherwoodlocallycompact: pedroalvarez may be right that some conversions may be ok (hg? bzr?), but in any case, radiofree would need to take this into account11:48
pedroalvarezi think is a crazy idea :)11:48
locallycompactI'm semi-interested to know what *isn't* deterministic11:48
locallycompactand why11:48
paulsherwoodpedroalvarez: which part is crazy?11:49
pedroalvarezre-lorrying from scratch everything11:49
paulsherwoodlocallycompact: lorry just runs various converters - some are deterministic, some aren't11:50
locallycompactlorrying from scratch is pretty much pointless11:50
locallycompactin the past we've unhooked the upstream and pulled in the lorries from the upstream in order to disconnect mirroring11:51
locallycompactbut that was when everything was git11:51
paulsherwoodpedroalvarez: well, radiofree could start by making a trove as 'snapshot' of current gbo repos... which would give it the same content... but if thereafter it starts lorrying direct from upstream, those SHAs diverge11:51
locallycompactif there are non deterministic converters I don't know how that would react11:51
pedroalvarezlocallycompact: to do that with non-git repos you will need a copy of the working area11:51
pedroalvarezbut what paulsherwood said is true11:52
locallycompactbut you still need the working area11:52
* paulsherwood tries hard to make sure that everything he says is true :)11:53
pedroalvarezif the plan is to use baserock definitions, I doubt lorrying from upstream will work11:53
rjekpaulsherwood: Try saying "This statement is false"11:53
paulsherwoodrjek: i would never say that :)11:54
pedroalvarezthat would be like:
paulsherwoodpedroalvarez: maybe the plan is to start from definitions, and diverge. i'm not sure there are many organisations the require openstack + genivi + trove :)11:55
rjekpedroalvarez: The sound isn't working on that gif11:55
pedroalvarezrjek: have you tried installing the gifaudio drivers?11:55
rjekNope, that's probably it11:56
paulsherwooddownload some more ram, while you're at it11:56
pedroalvarezpaulsherwood: of course, but upstream will still provide upgrades to some components11:56
pedroalvarezbut yes, I understand11:57
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locallycompactYou can also do both of these things together11:58
locallycompactdownstream the trove to a different namespace and lorry as normal11:58
paulsherwoodthat would be my recommendation. then if gbo were to disappear or fail, re-point the downstream trove to real upstreams at that point12:00
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pedroalvarezyup, that sounds like the best idea12:02
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