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| paulsherwood | 09:18 < rjek> When are we rewriting lorry to use YAML? | 09:23 |
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| paulsherwood | 09:19 < locallycompact> Ideally, never | 09:23 |
| paulsherwood | 09:19 < rjek> JSON is designed to enrage my fingers | 09:23 |
| paulsherwood | 09:21 < locallycompact> JSON doesn't have an obnoxiously complex spec | 09:23 |
| paulsherwood | 09:21 < locallycompact> It's easy to parse and do things like above | 09:23 |
| paulsherwood | 09:22 < paulsherwood> rjek: patches gratefully accepted | 09:24 |
| paulsherwood | 09:23 < paulsherwood> locallycompact: humans need to read lorry files, and create them. programs only parse them | 09:24 |
| locallycompact | <locallycompact> That argument is no less ridiculous than "humans can't read symbols" | 09:24 |
| paulsherwood | locallycompact: i disagree, quite strongly :) | 09:24 |
| locallycompact | It's like saying humans can't read algebra | 09:24 |
| locallycompact | "algebra's only for computers" | 09:25 |
| locallycompact | it's just bs | 09:25 |
| paulsherwood | locallycompact: you're not representative. most humans can't read algebra | 09:25 |
| locallycompact | algebra is just a formal language like any other language, people have hardwires for language | 09:25 |
| paulsherwood | locallycompact: yet still, most humans can't read algebra | 09:26 |
| paulsherwood | anyway, i'm not asking you to write the patch :) | 09:27 |
| locallycompact | most humans can't read mandarin, it's no argument | 09:27 |
| rjek | <rjek> Sure, a human /could/ read and edit uuencoded XML... | 09:28 |
| paulsherwood | locallycompact: seriously, it *is* an argument. that you don't see it, suggests that you aren't really thinking about how users actually are. we've had too much of that at baserock imo. | 09:28 |
| rjek | We're designing tools for humans to use. If there's something that makes it easier for most of the people working with it, that's an improvement. | 09:28 |
| rjek | Just because some humans have no problem with the current one is not a reason to not move to something else. | 09:29 |
| * paulsherwood never thought he'd agree with rjek so wholeheartedly on anything | 09:29 | |
| CTtpollard | :O | 09:29 |
| rjek | We already moved definitions from JSON to YAML, and there was much rejoicement. | 09:29 |
| paulsherwood | +1 | 09:29 |
| * paulsherwood gets back to shaving other yaks | 09:29 | |
| * SotK half wrote patches to make lorry use yaml ages ago but never got round to finishing them | 09:30 | |
| locallycompact | paulsherwood, I am thinking about how users are, I'm a user, and I don't like yaml because it doesn't afford me anything, it just slows me down | 09:35 |
| rjek | When editing JSON, I spent half my time holding down shif | 09:38 |
| rjek | t | 09:38 |
| paulsherwood | locallycompact: you're not a *typical* user, sorry. | 09:40 |
| paulsherwood | anyway... isn't it just http://paste.baserock.org/ucizecamed ? | 09:40 |
| paulsherwood | SotK: ^^ ? | 09:41 |
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| SotK | paulsherwood: probably | 10:12 |
| SotK | IIRC some of the lorry files aren't valid yaml though | 10:12 |
| SotK | (tab characters break yaml.safe_load I think) | 10:13 |
| paulsherwood | interesting. ok, i'll run a proper test before i submit that | 10:14 |
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| ssam2 | i did a patch to update Git, not built or tested yet though: https://gerrit.baserock.org/2000 | 11:41 |
| paulsherwood | ssam2: i'm +2 on that... i would say a temporarily broken service may be better than an insecure one at this point? | 11:51 |
| ssam2 | ok, i think those two points aren't related though | 11:53 |
| ssam2 | if we want to be paranoid, I guess we should stop mirroring on git.baserock.org until it's updated | 11:53 |
| ssam2 | because we could theoretically pull from a hostile Git repo and have the 'lorry' user account compromised | 11:53 |
| ssam2 | i think that's the only issue though, exploiting the server requires write access, which is restricted to people we trust anyway | 11:54 |
| paulsherwood | fair. but my point is that i'd rather see it merged and tried, than wait too long for testing. others may have different pov | 11:54 |
| ssam2 | makes sense | 11:55 |
| ssam2 | merged :-) | 11:55 |
| paulsherwood | tvm | 11:56 |
| ssam2 | # systemctl stop lighttpd-lorry-controller-webapp.service | 12:01 |
| ssam2 | i've stopped git.baserock.org mirroring anything til we upgrade | 12:01 |
| paulsherwood | ack | 12:02 |
| pedroalvarez | btw, patch number 2000!!!! | 12:02 |
| pedroalvarez | congrats! | 12:02 |
| Zara | :D | 12:02 |
| paulsherwood | http://concourse.baserock.org/pipelines/gnome-system-x86_64/jobs/gnome-system-x86_64/builds/27 jjardon ??? | 12:10 |
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| pedroalvarez | sadly, previous patch for Git wasn't enough: https://gerrit.baserock.org/2001 | 12:19 |
| jjardon | paulsherwood: patch coming | 12:21 |
| paulsherwood | pedroalvarez: merged | 12:21 |
| pedroalvarez | ta | 12:21 |
| edcragg | this is like patch tennis | 12:22 |
| paulsherwood | welcome to the future :) | 12:22 |
| jjardon | pedroalvarez: if you upgrade git, dont forget to upgrade the chunk in devtools | 12:22 |
| pedroalvarez | hehe, paulsherwood is a good reviewing "wall" | 12:22 |
| paulsherwood | jjardon: that was https://gerrit.baserock.org/2001 | 12:23 |
| pedroalvarez | paulsherwood: plas for opening concourse to the public? | 12:24 |
| ssam2 | oops, | 12:24 |
| pedroalvarez | jjardon: I wonder what's the error with gnome system | 12:24 |
| paulsherwood | pedroalvarez: soon. really soon. | 12:25 |
| paulsherwood | pedroalvarez: probably april, with champagne | 12:25 |
| pedroalvarez | paulsherwood: nice | 12:25 |
| jjardon | pedroalvarez: "bug" in accountservice module: still request the old compat libraries (libsystemd-logind instead libsystemd) | 12:27 |
| gtristan | didnt we ensure that the compat libs for systemd were generated for that sort of thing ? | 12:31 |
| gtristan | http://git.baserock.org/cgit/baserock/baserock/definitions.git/tree/strata/foundation/systemd.morph ... looks not | 12:32 |
| gtristan | https://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/configure.ac#n345 <-- we should really have --enable-compat-libs there | 12:33 |
| * gtristan was sure he remembered adding that | 12:33 | |
| radiofree | gtristan: we should, jjardon any comments? | 12:36 |
| pedroalvarez | https://gerrit.baserock.org/#/c/1988/ | 12:37 |
| jjardon | yes, we will fix the modules; systemd will drop the compat libraries soon, some distros dont even include them anymore | 12:41 |
| gtristan | We should not make it our personal vendetta to make modules compile exactly the way we would like them too, or the way they should be compiling next year, I think. | 12:51 |
| jjardon | paulsherwood: https://gerrit.baserock.org/#/c/2002/ | 12:53 |
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| pedroalvarez | ouch, gall fails to build :/ | 13:43 |
| pedroalvarez | actually I think it builds ok, but we run the tests, wich is nice | 13:44 |
| pedroalvarez | and they fail | 13:44 |
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| pedroalvarez | here the error, reported to #gitano, just in case they know how to solve it. http://paste.baserock.org/uqebuweneg | 14:12 |
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| * pedroalvarez removes the dust from git-send-mail, and sends a patch to the ML | 18:03 | |
| pedroalvarez | and it actually made me love gerrit so much | 18:04 |
| Zara | hahaha | 18:04 |
| Zara | git-send-mail was awful as a new engineer. gerrit was much quicker to learn. | 18:06 |
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