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| tiagogomes | is it intentional that when you build a system that has a cached system artifact; morph still tries to get the artifacts/build the sources of the chunks that are part of that system? | 13:57 |
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| pedroalvarez | not sure :/ | 13:58 |
| pedroalvarez | some people think that it should never fetch the system artifact | 13:58 |
| richard_maw | it's a bug for the current implementation, though we want the system artifact to be some kind of overlay in future to make system artifact creation cheaper | 13:58 |
| richard_maw | at which point it would still need the chunk artifacts to build the overlay | 13:58 |
| tiagogomes | yep, I'd like that | 13:59 |
| pedroalvarez | yes, that sounds like the real solution to this problem | 13:59 |
| tiagogomes | system artifacts as it stands doesn't make sense | 13:59 |
| pedroalvarez | yes, you can deploy without building | 13:59 |
| pedroalvarez | you can deploy an armv7 system in your x86 vm given that the armv7 system artifact is in the cache | 13:59 |
| tiagogomes | yes, that is nice, as it allows you to have an archive of old images without wasting unnecessary disk space | 14:01 |
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| * richard_maw would like to go with ostree, but that has problems when you have files outside /usr | 14:07 | |
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| tiagogomes | SotK, were you working on system artifacts based on overlays? | 14:10 |
| SotK | tiagogomes: near the start of this year yes, but I haven't had time to do anything required for it to be properly usable | 14:11 |
| * tiagogomes wonders if people would get the pitchforks if he suggested getting rid of the build-morphology and distbuild-morphology commands | 14:19 | |
| pedroalvarez | I like them | 14:21 |
| pedroalvarez | well, I used to like them | 14:21 |
| pedroalvarez | if `distbuild --local-changes=no` is the same, then I don't care | 14:22 |
| tiagogomes | I am not sure if there is still a case for them without workspaces | 14:22 |
| ssam2 | good to get rid of them | 14:22 |
| ssam2 | better still would be to rationalise all of Morph's commands to take just the path to a Git repo | 14:23 |
| ssam2 | to a file, rather | 14:23 |
| ssam2 | right now some just take a path to a file, and some take the triplet repo, ref, file | 14:23 |
| ssam2 | better *still* would be do that, but allow --repo and --ref options for situations where you don't have a local clone of definitions.git | 14:23 |
| tiagogomes | yep, I would like them to accept only a locally cloned definitions repo | 14:23 |
| ssam2 | perhaps | 14:23 |
| tiagogomes | mm | 14:24 |
| ssam2 | anyway, no need to scope creep, removing the -morphology commands is a good first ste | 14:24 |
| ssam2 | p | 14:24 |
| tiagogomes | if we want to support building remote definitions, I like the --repo & --ref idea | 14:26 |
| tiagogomes | But I think that we are following a path that, if can be done with git, do it with git instead of morph | 14:27 |
| tiagogomes | As I stated before, I am also not a fan of the get-chunk-details command | 14:28 |
| ssam2 | it's not so much building, more things like `list-artifacts` | 14:29 |
| tiagogomes | And perhaps `get-repo` should be `clone` instead | 14:29 |
| ssam2 | it's quite handy to be able to run that on remote repos and the like | 14:29 |
| SotK | I think we've had people get confused when we've reused the git command name | 14:29 |
| ssam2 | i think reusing names from Git turned out to be confusing in the past | 14:29 |
| ssam2 | yeah | 14:29 |
| pedroalvarez | yes +1 to not reuse git subcommands | 14:30 |
| pedroalvarez | ooi, do we know if get-repo fetches from local cache, or from internet? | 14:31 |
| VLetrmx | get-chunk-details seems a little pointless to me, but i think the fact that someone requested it should motivate us to make the aliases simpler | 14:31 |
| VLetrmx | so the mapping should be very obvious trove:delta/foo trove:baserock/baserock/morph etc if people want to do crazy things let them define that in DEFAULTS (yes let's also move the aliases to DEFAULTs) | 14:32 |
| pedroalvarez | I like were we are going | 14:32 |
| pedroalvarez | h^ | 14:33 |
| tiagogomes | ssam2, I confess that I never used list-artifacts. How do you use that command? | 14:34 |
| ssam2 | tiagogomes: same way you use `build-morphology` | 14:34 |
| ssam2 | tiagogomes: but it gives a list of all the artifact IDs involved the build | 14:34 |
| VLetrmx | also would be good to remove -morphology commands imo | 14:35 |
| VLetrmx | and be rid of triplet interface | 14:35 |
| ssam2 | tiagogomes: really useful when doing releases and copying all the release artifacts around | 14:35 |
| pedroalvarez | VLetrmx: that has been just suggested :) | 14:35 |
| VLetrmx | pedroalvarez, i know i'm just agreeing :) | 14:35 |
| pedroalvarez | let's make this a tool easy to use | 14:36 |
| VLetrmx | that would be good :) | 14:37 |
| * SotK still wants one tool for building/deploying, and another for interacting with definitions | 14:37 | |
| VLetrmx | okay on that i might mention a related talk at nixcon | 14:37 |
| VLetrmx | nix already has nix-env nix-shell nix-build etc, they're actually working on *reversing* this, because they find that what they have now isn't clear enough for users | 14:38 |
| VLetrmx | garbas actually basically suggested a git-like interface for nix | 14:38 |
| VLetrmx | which is essentially sort of what we have with morph right now | 14:38 |
| VLetrmx | i don't actually have a strong opinion on this, but i think it worth mentioning | 14:39 |
| tiagogomes | morph is getting leaner | 14:39 |
| ssam2 | I think one tool for building, one for deploying one for developing definitions, one for importing, one for exporting... that should be our maximum | 14:43 |
| ssam2 | and i don't actually want a tool for deploying at all, I want to be able to use Ansible | 14:43 |
| pedroalvarez | :) | 14:43 |
| * richard_maw is told that Ansible has some facility for instantiating systems as well, but doesn't know anything about it | 14:44 | |
| tiagogomes | you mean, writing a library in Ansible to do the deployment? | 14:45 |
| ssam2 | an Ansible baserock_system_deployed_to_openstack module | 14:45 |
| ssam2 | you give it the path to some definitions, the name of the system, and some parameters, and it does the rest | 14:45 |
| ssam2 | including building | 14:45 |
| ssam2 | this is a pipe dream though :-) | 14:45 |
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