| richard_maw | I knocked together a prototype tempdir daemon in python: https://github.com/fishface60/tempdird | 00:34 |
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| richard_maw | so, even if I get nowhere with live atomic update since the last FOSDEM, I can always do a lightning talk on why we need FD based tempdir management | 00:35 |
| persia | Nice! | 01:19 |
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| paulsherwood | richard_maw: c00l! :) | 06:01 |
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| paulsherwood | folks - would someone here be willing/able cause a log of #automotive to happen using baserock infrastructure? | 08:26 |
| paulsherwood | s/someone/people/ | 08:26 |
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| pedroalvarez | I can be persuaded to | 08:32 |
| paulsherwood | can we get any +1s, or any dissenters? | 08:32 |
| pedroalvarez | given that all the logs of #baserock are now around 30M, I really don't mind | 08:33 |
| pedroalvarez | is it related to the baserock project? may | 08:34 |
| pedroalvarez | maybe not | 08:34 |
| pedroalvarez | (this is not a -1) | 08:34 |
| paulsherwood | well, we support a genivi baseline, and #automotive is discussing automotive software including genivi. i would say there's some overlap, but the discussion will mainly be non-baserock. | 08:37 |
| paulsherwood | on the other hand i see that more than a handful of participants here are also participants there :) | 08:37 |
| persia | I'd generally prefer if we could eventually move logs to more closely related projects, but it seems a reasonable stop-gap measure. | 08:38 |
| paulsherwood | ack | 08:39 |
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| radiofree | qt 5.5 released, time to upgrade it in baserock (and ditch gstreamer 0.10 forever!) | 08:55 |
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| paulsherwood | :-) | 09:02 |
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| pedroalvarez | paulsherwood: https://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/ | 09:08 |
| paulsherwood | pedroalvarez: you're a star, thanks. it might be we need to scrap it, though... i'll keep you posted | 09:09 |
| pedroalvarez | :) | 09:10 |
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| paulsherwood | signin to wiki seems broken for me? | 11:10 |
| paulsherwood | http://wiki.baserock.org/ikiwiki.cgi?do=edit&page=index has no useful content | 11:10 |
| ssam2 | try https:// | 11:16 |
| ssam2 | that link worked for me though (already signed in) | 11:16 |
| ssam2 | if I sign out and follow that link, I get useful content | 11:17 |
| ssam2 | have to scroll down for it though for some reason | 11:17 |
| ssam2 | maybe something wrong with the CSS used to do the sidebar | 11:17 |
| paulsherwood | i got there by clicking the edit link. same result with https afaict | 11:17 |
| ssam2 | I can't reproduce that in either Firefox or Epiphany, sorry | 11:25 |
| ssam2 | you have definitely scrolled to the bottom? | 11:25 |
| tlsa | it's style.css:476 setting clear:both for #login_btns | 11:27 |
| tlsa | (that causes the login stuff to be below the sidebar) | 11:27 |
| ssam2 | ta! is there an easy way to fix that? | 11:27 |
| tlsa | probably | 11:28 |
| ssam2 | i have no idea about CSS | 11:28 |
| tlsa | I'll see if I still have access | 11:28 |
| SotK | clear:left seems to make it at least visible to begin with | 11:30 |
| tlsa | there's no reason for it to clear anything | 11:30 |
| tlsa | there's nothing there to clear | 11:30 |
| tlsa | remote: open2: exec of clamdscan - failed at /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/filecheck.pm line 197. | 11:38 |
| tlsa | To git://baserock.branchable.com/ | 11:38 |
| tlsa | ! [remote rejected] master -> master (pre-receive hook declined) | 11:38 |
| tlsa | error: failed to push some refs to 'git://baserock.branchable.com/' | 11:38 |
| tlsa | I've modified that file before (the last edit was also from me) | 11:40 |
| ssam2 | argh, I don't know why that would happen | 11:42 |
| ssam2 | seems like something broken at Branchable's end | 11:42 |
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| Kinnison | Someone needs to poke branchable's sysadmin (joey hess) | 12:28 |
| * Kinnison has asked | 12:28 | |
| Kinnison | tlsa: Can you try now? | 12:35 |
| Kinnison | If it doesn't work then Joey has been emailed so hopefully he'll fix it when he awakes | 12:37 |
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| tlsa | Kinnison: still same error | 13:12 |
| Kinnison | Hopefuly joeyh will work it out when he wakes | 13:15 |
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| straycat | Hello | 13:17 |
| paulsherwood | straycat: long time no see!? :) | 13:17 |
| Kinnison | persia: I have seen him around as early as 2h before now | 13:17 |
| straycat | :] | 13:19 |
| straycat | I am attempting to upgrade perl. | 13:19 |
| straycat | I don't understand why http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/baserock/baserock/definitions.git/tree/systems/build-system-x86_32.morph has 2 bsps? | 13:19 |
| ssam2 | 'bsp-x86_both-tools' is just SYSLINUX, I think | 13:25 |
| straycat | syslinux and nasm | 13:26 |
| straycat | so that system has duplicated syslinux and nasm chunks? | 13:27 |
| ssam2 | I don't think so, but worth checking | 13:28 |
| straycat | I do not understand the bsp setup, but is bsp-x86_both-tools not for use with the chroots, I also thought definitions was a global namespace? | 13:33 |
| paulsherwood | i thought so too | 13:34 |
| Kinnison | OOI who authored the changes which made this madness? | 13:45 |
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| straycat | Okay since no one knows what function this serves I expect I'll find it's safe to remove it, I'll test the build systems when I do so | 14:09 |
| straycat | thanks for your help | 14:09 |
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| nowster | Have people noticed this: http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/delta/ogg.git/commit/ ? | 14:27 |
| nowster | The lorry probably needs updating. | 14:27 |
| pedroalvarez | nowster: I believe that was a svn lorry, so there isn't a way to update it to the new url | 14:30 |
| pedroalvarez | creating a new one is what we should do | 14:30 |
| nowster | there is libogg.lorry and libvorbis.lorry | 14:30 |
| nowster | tarball type lorries | 14:30 |
| richard_maw | pedroalvarez: if their import was also with git-svn then the imports _may_ be compatible but probably aren't | 14:32 |
| nowster | it looks like git-svn was used | 14:32 |
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| pedroalvarez | sha1's don't match | 14:35 |
| pedroalvarez | not sure if that makes them already incompatible | 14:35 |
| nowster | speex is also in git now | 14:36 |
| nowster | https://git.xiph.org/ | 14:36 |
| pedroalvarez | that is currently a tarball in g.b.o | 14:37 |
| nowster | as is vorbis | 14:38 |
| pedroalvarez | nowster: are you looking at upgrading these components in the current definitions? | 14:38 |
| nowster | possibly | 14:39 |
| nowster | I'm seeing gstreamer get stuck decoding ogg/vorbis files. | 14:39 |
| nowster | It'll decode an online stream of vorbis for about a second, then get totally stuck | 14:39 |
| nowster | flacs and wavs it's happy with | 14:40 |
| nowster | I don't know if we'd be happy lorrying mpg123, though, even though many potential applications would want it. | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | why not? | 14:46 |
| rjek | flacs and waves are integer-only; perhaps it's FP-related? | 14:47 |
| rjek | (tremor for Vorbis, libmad for MP3) | 14:47 |
| * paulsherwood can't edit wiki.baserock.org still... and sulks | 14:48 | |
| persia | paulsherwood: not even with git? | 14:48 |
| paulsherwood | actually, i don't know. last time i tried that was a couple of years ago, i think | 14:50 |
| persia | nowster: I'd recommend submitting a patch for lorrying anything you want. On the surface mpg123 looks fine, although I don't know the whole story. | 14:50 |
| persia | paulsherwood: I usually use git to edit the wiki, because I like to use my favorite editor. Mostly works fine. | 14:51 |
| nowster | OK. mpg123 is LGPL, but may be patent-encumbered (eg. Fraunhofer Inst) | 14:51 |
| persia | I don't see any issues with lorrying it (doesn't violate). Putting it in a reference system is another question. | 14:51 |
| rjek | libmad sounds better anyway >:D | 14:52 |
| persia | Older versions of mpg123 should be fine: it is worth checking, but I understand that most code from 1997 is now patent-free. | 14:57 |
| persia | If the newer code is new algorithms that are patented, that is a different issue, but if the newer code is just new wrappers and reimplementations of the old algorithms, then there is little to fear. | 14:58 |
| * persia is not really qualified to have an opinion about patent terms, so the above should not be considered authoritative. | 14:58 | |
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| Kinnison | tlsa: In theory things should work (pushing that attachment) now | 15:25 |
| tlsa | ok | 15:25 |
| tlsa | yep | 15:26 |
| tlsa | ssam2: wiki login position fixed | 15:26 |
| ssam2 | yay! thanks!! | 15:29 |
| ssam2 | I still have the 'Enter your OpenID' bit at the bottom of the page tho | 15:30 |
| ssam2 | the buttons are correct now | 15:30 |
| tlsa | I don't see an 'Enter your OpenID' bit | 15:34 |
| ssam2 | oh | 15:35 |
| ssam2 | maybe for the same reason paul doesn't ? | 15:35 |
| ssam2 | tlsa: https://imgur.com/0bHzO76 | 15:36 |
| CTtpollard | different browsers and resolutions? | 15:36 |
| tlsa | ssam2: oh, you have to click on the open ID button, then it appears | 15:36 |
| tlsa | I can fix it now I see it | 15:37 |
| rjek | Oh, it's a button | 15:37 |
| tlsa | rjek: I didn't know it was a button either | 15:37 |
| tlsa | I assumed it was a logo to indicate what was supported | 15:37 |
| rjek | If only we had some idiom, drilled into user's brained over a period of 30 years, for how to display something that can be clicked on. | 15:37 |
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| Kinnison | Seemed fairly obvious to me | 15:40 |
| Kinnison | it was in a box and when I hovered my mouse over it, it hilighted like a clickable thing | 15:40 |
| Kinnison | the odd vertical spacing is annoying though | 15:40 |
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| paulsherwood | how do folks feel about me adding ybd instructions to the wiki? i'm happy not to do if it's controversial | 16:40 |
| Kinnison | Given that at this point ybd does not implement everything used in the definitions set, I'd kinda against it on any default pages or getting started pages, but wouldn't object to an "Alternative Tooling" type page | 16:45 |
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| paulsherwood | what do you mean by 'everything used in the definitions set'? | 16:50 |
| Kinnison | definitions includes artifact splitting for various bits and bobs fr.ex. | 16:51 |
| Kinnison | if ybd supports all that now, then excellent | 16:51 |
| nowster | I'm looking into artefact splitting (as a background task) | 16:51 |
| paulsherwood | it doesn't, yet. it won't ever support some things, because i don't think all of the things are correct | 16:51 |
| paulsherwood | but that's a conversation for another day, with alcohol. | 16:52 |
| Kinnison | I think that until and unless definitions is properly locked down behaviour-wise then no tool other than morph will be "valid" | 16:52 |
| paulsherwood | that's a valid opinion :) | 16:52 |
| Kinnison | it's also correct | 16:53 |
| Kinnison | :-P | 16:53 |
| paulsherwood | it's opionin. correctness is something different, i think | 16:53 |
| Kinnison | hmm, well, you can think that if you want :-D | 16:53 |
| paulsherwood | there is no 'spec'. morph has bugs, and incomplete behaviours. so does ybd, but the incompleteness and problems are different between both programs. at the moment i think 'correctness' or 'validity' is not arguable for either program. | 16:56 |
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| Kinnison | In the absence of a proper maintained document about what definitions means, morph is de-facto the correct implementation, bugs'n'all. | 16:58 |
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| paulsherwood | heh. | 17:19 |
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| persia | Reading backscroll, I support Kinnison's assertion that the morph behaviour is "correct". I also happen to think much of is is "wrong", but being both formally correct and wrong is a common state of affairs for real things (as opposed to platonic ideals), so none of us should fuss that much. | 19:39 |
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