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| * paulsherwood is absolutely positive that name|hash.cache is better than current scheme | 04:23 | |
| paulsherwood | richard_maw: users read left to right. by sticking name at the end you make it harder to read, is all. | 04:27 |
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| paulsherwood | and users do need to read the cache contents, to figure out what is going on | 04:28 |
| robtaylor | https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GitMirror | 07:44 |
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| liw | richard_maw, it's possible to add multiline support to ttystatus without dragging in all of curses; I've got that on my list of someday/maybe tasks for ttystatus, but if it'd be useful for baserock, I can do it now | 08:16 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: noted error message 'couldn't find morphology' so it can be searched on the wiki http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb031cc | 08:51 |
| Zara | :D Can we get the 'tips on handling build failures' bit in the wiki linked on the navigation bar on the right? it's a little hard to get to atm. | 08:54 |
| straycat | We could also link to it in the quick start guide as well as the using baserock guide? | 09:01 |
| * petefoth thinks the wiki could do with a *planned* reorganisation, rather than a lot of ad-hoc changes being made, but | 09:03 | |
| Zara | straycat: I don't think you'd get any of the build errors before you reach the steps on the using baserock guide, so I'm not sure that's necessary | 09:03 |
| * petefoth recognises this is noit necessarily the way thinngs are done with FOSS project wiki pages | 09:03 | |
| * straycat shrugs | 09:04 | |
| straycat | petefoth, We haven't really had much oppurtunity for planned wiki stuff | 09:04 |
| Kinnison | petefoth: I think having an overall target shape is a very good idea | 09:05 |
| Kinnison | petefoth: Then, so long as the ad-hoc changes work within that target framework, we can move to a better organisation organically | 09:05 |
| Kinnison | petefoth: the issue with wikis is that more than one person can edit them at once, making one-shot re-orgs hard | 09:05 |
| pedroalvarez | radiofree: we already have boost, and boost-tarball | 09:07 |
| pedroalvarez | feck | 09:07 |
| pedroalvarez | I was reading a conversation of ages ago | 09:07 |
| Zara | in that case, I think the target shape should include a link that's visible on every page to a 'common errors' section. :P It's pretty standard and it's the first thing I look for when something goes wrong. | 09:08 |
| petefoth | Kinnison: that would work, but I fear a lot of bike-shedding before we arrive at any agreement on a target shape (and I understand the probolem of 'planning' stuff that anyone can edit) | 09:08 |
| Kinnison | petefoth: the joy of a public wiki, anyone can decide on something "better" and do it | 09:08 |
| * Kinnison is willing to let petefoth take the reins on this | 09:08 | |
| * Kinnison fears only paulsherwood would be likely to want strong input | 09:09 | |
| straycat | Zara, Sounds like a good idea | 09:09 |
| petefoth | and themn have someone else undo it the next day :) And paulsherwood and I seem to have different ideas on alomts everything related to BAserock documentation | 09:09 |
| petefoth | Zara: +1 (or more) | 09:09 |
| petefoth | Zara's suggestion might alos focus our attention on improiving our error messages | 09:10 |
| Kinnison | Sounds like zara's suggestion is a no-brainer then | 09:11 |
| Zara | :) | 09:12 |
| rdale | is there a baserock faq then? | 09:12 |
| straycat | There used to be | 09:14 |
| straycat | there might still be | 09:14 |
| straycat | I think it may have been removed | 09:15 |
| straycat | 42de6b76ddea6f2520dab01f72e8f3e5bbfa275a | 09:15 |
| wikicat | straycat: Wiki change: remove faq http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=42de6b7 | 09:15 |
| Zara | so how do we get things added to the navigation bar; does somebody with certain privileges have to do it? | 09:17 |
| liw | Zara, edit the sidebar.mdwn file | 09:17 |
| Kinnison | What link to we want, and where on the bar? | 09:18 |
| * Kinnison has the file open now | 09:18 | |
| Kinnison | Zara: ? | 09:18 |
| straycat | Has Zara been given push access to the wiki? I know she has web access. | 09:18 |
| petefoth | straycat: I believe it's a publis git repo. I cpould be wrong though | 09:18 |
| Kinnison | Anyone want to tell me what to add? | 09:19 |
| Kinnison | Or shall I give up and close the file? | 09:19 |
| Zara | Kinnison: we want to link to the http://wiki.baserock.org/guides/build-failures/ page, called 'common errors' not sure where would be best | 09:19 |
| * Kinnison puts "Common Build Issues" just above team | 09:20 | |
| straycat | petefoth, http://wiki.baserock.org/ikiwiki.cgi?do=branchable | 09:20 |
| Zara | Kinnison: cool, I'm fine with that. :) | 09:20 |
| liw | the sidebar can be edited via the web UI as well: got to the http://wiki.baserock.org/sidebar/ page | 09:20 |
| Kinnison | It is done | 09:21 |
| straycat | liw, Oh I never knew that :) | 09:21 |
| Zara | liw: brilliant, thanks :) | 09:21 |
| petefoth | straycat: git remote -v gives me ssh://b-baserock@baserock.branchable.com/ | 09:21 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: Add link to common build issues http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=baf7165 | 09:22 |
| Kinnison | richard_maw: are you an admin on the wiki.baserock.org branchable setup ? | 09:23 |
| Zara | (I might as well mention that I'm not too happy with the title 'Moving Parts', either, because it wasn't obvious to me what it referred to, but that might just be my ignorance showing.) | 09:24 |
| * Kinnison needs to clean up the number of myopenid.com IDs there (myopenid has been offline for a long time) | 09:24 | |
| straycat | Zara, There's lots of room for improvement on that wiki, you're free to make improvements. I agree with you about 'moving parts' it's vague. | 09:25 |
| ratmice_______ | I have been pondering error messages including urls to a stack overflow alike site... | 09:25 |
| Kinnison | ratmice_______: :-) | 09:25 |
| Kinnison | ratmice_______: We have been pondering including a unique code with every error message, which would remain stable in the face of wording changes to the message | 09:26 |
| Kinnison | ratmice_______: Useful for internationalised/localised content too | 09:26 |
| ratmice_______ | indeed | 09:26 |
| Kinnison | ratmice_______: liw did something like that for his obnam backup software and it's an excellent idea IMO | 09:26 |
| richard_maw | Kinnison: I don't think I am an admin on wiki.baserock.org's branchable, but I'll check | 09:26 |
| Zara | Kinnison: I think the unique codes would be a very good idea. | 09:27 |
| Kinnison | richard_maw: please do, because if you're not, I should add you | 09:27 |
| * Kinnison is not comfortable being the PoC for that | 09:27 | |
| Kinnison | Or rather, the SPoF | 09:27 |
| Kinnison | richard_maw: If you want to nominate any other upstream contributors for admin access, let me know :-) | 09:27 |
| richard_maw | ssam2 and jjardon | 09:28 |
| * richard_maw can't find the admin interface | 09:29 | |
| Kinnison | Okay, if ssam2 and jjardon contact me with their OpenIDs I'll help them along | 09:29 |
| Kinnison | richard_maw: click "branchable" on the top bar, then "setup" near the bottom of that page | 09:30 |
| richard_maw | Error: you are not logged in as an admin | 09:30 |
| richard_maw | well, that proves it then | 09:30 |
| Kinnison | :-) | 09:30 |
| Kinnison | Again, give me your OpenID out-of-band and I'll sort it out | 09:31 |
| Zara | straycat: yeah, I'm happy to change small things without bothering everyone about them, though if it's something like changing a sidebar I'd rather check people want the change first! :) | 09:31 |
| * straycat nods | 09:32 | |
| * petefoth bookmarks https://quaid.fedorapeople.org/TOS/Practical_Open_Source_Software_Exploration/html/ch-Explaining_the_Code.html for later reading | 09:36 | |
| Kinnison | petefoth: oooh that looks interesting | 09:37 |
| * Kinnison also bookmarks for later | 09:37 | |
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| franred | do we know what is happening with python-prettytables and why is out of date? the repo in git.baserock.org http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/delta/python-prettytable.git/ only contains one commit and no tags but its repo contains around 10 tags and probably more than 1 commit? | 11:08 |
| franred | the lorrycontroller seems to work fine and without errors: http://pastebin.com/YfLRa8gb | 11:10 |
| pedroalvarez | indeed, lorry controller looks like it's doing its job | 11:14 |
| pedroalvarez | and indeed, there are more things in the upstream repo | 11:14 |
| pedroalvarez | So, do we want to switch to glibc? I thought we agree to switch to musl (or somethigng similar) | 11:16 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=568b1db | 11:38 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: tidyup and toc http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=46fe1ac | 11:38 |
| persia_ is now known as persia | 11:41 | |
| ssam2 | pedroalvarez: staying with eglibc doesn't make sense as it's no longer developed | 11:45 |
| ssam2 | we should switch to glibc | 11:45 |
| ssam2 | musl is cool but I very much doubt that everything will work with it | 11:45 |
| ssam2 | as most software is tested against glibc only | 11:45 |
| pedroalvarez | good to know, then I'll continue playing wiht glibc | 11:45 |
| ssam2 | a musl variant of Baserock would be very interesting | 11:45 |
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| radiofree | pedroalvarez: ._o | 11:53 |
| pedroalvarez | radiofree: sorry :/ | 11:53 |
| radiofree | the version of boost we had didn't compile on arm btw | 11:54 |
| radiofree | i pushed an upgraded branch of the tarball | 11:54 |
| radiofree | the git repo needs about a million submodules | 11:54 |
| Kinnison | liw: I see one patch of 7, with no leader, from you on the ML | 12:27 |
| Kinnison | liw: was that a mistake? | 12:28 |
| liw | the rest may be queued somewhere | 12:28 |
| Kinnison | okies | 12:28 |
| liw | I see all seven | 12:29 |
| Kinnison | yep, they've shown up now for me too | 12:29 |
| liw | and the cover letter | 12:29 |
| liw | and the trove-setup patch got just sent | 12:30 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cf5eb2 | 13:24 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add the 'Add a component' tutorial http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=72e4d3f | 13:24 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add the 'New system from template' tutorial http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=670c711 | 13:24 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add the 'Build a system' tutorial http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=708b876 | 13:24 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e8baa1 | 13:26 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Tweak the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=30afa79 | 13:28 |
| richard_maw | lorry-controller patches reviewed: +1 | 13:28 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Tweak the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bc4701 | 13:30 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Tweak the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=d43f7df | 13:30 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Tweak the top level text http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=61b23a9 | 13:32 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: remove the console files - they don't help http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=61a7834 | 14:00 |
| * petefoth apologise for causing the bot to spam the channel. I'd kill it iof I could :) | 14:01 | |
| Kinnison | Or you could roll up your changes into one commit :-) | 14:02 |
| petefoth | Kinnison: tough when I am a: experimenting with layout to see what works, and b: doing some edit in place | 14:02 |
| Kinnison | mmm ;-) | 14:03 |
| petefoth | s/tough/that's tough to do/ | 14:03 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fc586c | 14:06 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=92d5b29 | 14:10 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: Add meta=title http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=581cfca | 14:20 |
| franred | thanks to pedroalvarez for finding the error with python-prettytables lorry: this is the patch which fix the error: http://fpaste.org/142855/55842141/ | 14:24 |
| franred | it needs a quick review, someone can do it? | 14:24 |
| pedroalvarez | i think is not a valid JSON | 14:25 |
| pedroalvarez | let me double check | 14:25 |
| pedroalvarez | franred: you have to remove the "," of the url | 14:26 |
| pedroalvarez | after removing it, jsonlint says that it's valid JSON | 14:26 |
| ssam2 | pedroalvarez: good spot! | 14:27 |
| pedroalvarez | franred: for future lorries: http://jsonlint.com/ | 14:27 |
| ssam2 | +1 for the fixed version | 14:27 |
| ssam2 | pedroalvarez: wow | 14:27 |
| franred | pedroalvarez, cheers!! fixed | 14:28 |
| pedroalvarez | +1 with the same conditions as sam | 14:28 |
| ssam2 | although "python -c 'import json, sys; json.load(sys.stdout)' " is probably better :) | 14:28 |
| richard_maw | no | 14:28 |
| richard_maw | incorrect lorry file | 14:28 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: Add meta-title http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=57643dc | 14:28 |
| richard_maw | you need either the /trunk at the end of the url or layout: standard | 14:28 |
| richard_maw | you shouldn't have both, and you shouldn't have neither | 14:28 |
| richard_maw | put /trunk/ and no layout: if you only care about master; no /trunk and layout: standard if you want all branches | 14:30 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=698e399 | 14:30 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: Add meta-title http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0865ea | 14:30 |
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| franred | richard_maw, thanks for the information, I've fixed with your and pedroalvarez recomendations: http://fpaste.org/142859/41355646/ | 14:34 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=7daac40 | 14:34 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d2f0f3 | 14:34 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=b31e78e | 14:36 |
| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=d70484d | 14:38 |
| pedroalvarez | franred: +1 | 14:41 |
| ssam2 | franred: +1 | 14:42 |
| franred | merged, thanks richard_maw, pedroalvarez and ssam2 :) | 14:47 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0f067b | 14:58 |
| straycat | How does morph ensure that python packages (packaged with distutils/setuptools) get built in a reproduceable way? | 14:59 |
| Kinnison | The only thing we can do is limit the environment they run in | 14:59 |
| Kinnison | so they can't talk to the internet etc | 15:00 |
| * straycat nods | 15:00 | |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: S11693 Add to the sidebar http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fe43d1 | 15:02 |
| petefoth | I've done adding the old tutorial stuff in w.b.o now. As it's documentation it won't be submitted for review, but interested parties can access it from the sidebar | 15:04 |
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| wikicat | Wiki change: http://source.baserock.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c0149e | 15:04 |
| Kinnison | Thanks pete, hopefully that'll hold us over until we can make new more up-to-date docs | 15:05 |
| petefoth | I could happily spoend the rest of my Codethink career producing and editing docs, but I suspect it wont be allowed to happen :) | 15:06 |
| Kinnison | :-) | 15:06 |
| pedroalvarez | franred: the fix doesn't seem to work :/ | 15:07 |
| franred | does it fail in any point or it is working without doing it? | 15:08 |
| franred | s/in/at/ | 15:08 |
| pedroalvarez | franred: nope | 15:08 |
| Kinnison | cd .. | 15:14 |
| Kinnison | oops | 15:14 |
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| pedroalvarez | I wonder if a jetson can boot from a usb/sdcard an installer system | 15:51 |
| richard_maw | it depends on whether the U-Boot on the board can be made to chain boot into what's on the SD card I guess | 15:52 |
| radiofree | pedroalvarez: sdcard yes | 15:52 |
| radiofree | i use that all the time for testing things (especially when i bugger up the emmc) | 15:55 |
| pedroalvarez | radiofree: I'm not going to do it, just wondering if it's possible. But please, how to do it? Stopping u-boot when booting the board and with some magic commands? | 15:56 |
| pedroalvarez | (i don't need a detailed answer) | 15:56 |
| radiofree | pedroalvarez: yeah | 15:57 |
| pedroalvarez | cool! so once I've finished this baserock-installer thingy we can install systems on the jetsons using the sdcard to run the installer image | 15:58 |
| radiofree | pedroalvarez: sysboot mmc 1 ext2/btrfs 0x90000000 /boot/extlinux.conf | 16:21 |
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| pedroalvarez | I will test it! | 16:58 |
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