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| szlin | #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting | 09:00 |
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| brlogger | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 09:00:28 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szlin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| brlogger | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| brlogger | The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' | 09:00 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:00 | |
| szlin | #topic rollcall | 09:00 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:00 | |
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| szlin | please say hi if you're here | 09:00 |
| iwamatsu | hi | 09:00 |
| _gavinlai_ | hi | 09:00 |
| kazu | hi | 09:00 |
| mungaip[m] | hi | 09:00 |
| fujita[m] | hi | 09:00 |
| pave1 | hi | 09:01 |
| szlin | #topic AI review | 09:01 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "AI review (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:01 | |
| szlin | AI: The review results from Pavel will be confirmed - Iwamatsu-san | 09:01 |
| szlin | iwamatsu: do you have any updates? | 09:01 |
| iwamatsu | I am reviewing yet, I do not finish. | 09:02 |
| szlin | iwamatsu: thanks. | 09:02 |
| szlin | AI: send the patch to Jan for reviewing - kazu | 09:02 |
| szlin | kazu: do you have any updates? | 09:02 |
| kazu | no updates about this topic | 09:02 |
| szlin | AI: deby: update "cip-core_buster" branch - kazu | 09:03 |
| kazu | now preparing meta-debian (deby) repository | 09:03 |
| kazu | then, create cip-core_buster to use the latest meta-debian repo | 09:03 |
| kazu | still in progress | 09:04 |
| szlin | kazu: thanks! | 09:04 |
| szlin | #topic Kernel maintenance updates | 09:04 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Kernel maintenance updates (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:04 | |
| szlin | pave1: do you have any comments? | 09:04 |
| pave1 | There is series of USB patches pending on the mailing list. | 09:05 |
| pave1 | It looks good, so I guess I can apply it. | 09:05 |
| pave1 | There are DHCP patches pending... and there are two options: | 09:06 |
| pave1 | a) apply series of 5 (or so) patches that were rejected for -stable. | 09:06 |
| pave1 | b) apply oneliner to hide the problem. | 09:07 |
| pave1 | Renesas would prefer a)... | 09:07 |
| pave1 | But I believe b) may be better option. | 09:07 |
| szlin | pave1: do you have any concern on it? | 09:07 |
| szlin | iwamatsu: ^any comments? | 09:08 |
| iwamatsu | pavel: about USB patches: please apply and push if there's no problem. ( I can not reply your mail now) | 09:08 |
| pave1 | szlin: I guess the series will work ok in the end. Technically they break -stable kernel rules, | 09:08 |
| pave1 | szlin: and as they are in form of "main patch", "fix #1 for main patch", "fix #2 for main patch", they may cause problems for bisecting. | 09:09 |
| pave1 | iwamatsu: thanks, will do. | 09:09 |
| iwamatsu | pavel: thanks! | 09:10 |
| szlin | pave1: Fair enough. | 09:10 |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: would squashing them solve the issue for bisecting? | 09:11 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Yes, that would solve the bisecting issue. | 09:11 |
| szlin | mungaip[m]: could you contact the patch author? | 09:12 |
| pave1 | Its okay, its on the mailing list, I can do the contacting and they are willing to squash the patch. | 09:12 |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: Okay, I can send the patch for option b to cip-dev later | 09:12 |
| mungaip[m] | And then you can make a decision on the best way to go | 09:12 |
| szlin | thanks! | 09:13 |
| szlin | any other topics? | 09:13 |
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| szlin | #topic Kernel testing | 09:14 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Kernel testing (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:14 | |
| mungaip[m] | We should be able to add an RZ/G2E board to the lab in Renesas by mid May | 09:15 |
| mungaip[m] | I've created a LAVA account for szlin pave1 iwamatsu , I just need to send you your credentials | 09:15 |
| szlin | mungaip[m]: thanks, will you attend OSS-J? | 09:16 |
| iwamatsu | mungaip: thanks! | 09:16 |
| szlin | mungaip[m]: I would like to exchange keys in person | 09:16 |
| szlin | I mean, PGP key | 09:17 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Thanks, I need to figure out what LAVA can do for me. | 09:17 |
| mungaip[m] | szlin: Is that a conference? If so I won't be, but I can find out from Chris if he is | 09:17 |
| mungaip[m] | iwamatsu: pave1 szlin: Alternatively, I can give you your credentials over a call? | 09:17 |
| szlin | mungaip[m]: noted, thanks. | 09:17 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Emails I send are normally signed using "Thu 25 Apr 2019 10:19:17 AM CEST using DSA key ID 95DBFAF2" key. | 09:18 |
| pave1 | mungaip: I guess sending credentials using that key should be secure enough? | 09:18 |
| szlin | mungaip[m]: okay, let's discuss it offline | 09:19 |
| mungaip[m] | szlin: okay | 09:19 |
| pave1 | Yup; I think I should ask what LAVA is and how do I use it... but probably better offline, after the meeting. | 09:20 |
| szlin | pave1: it's sad story that my company only allows us to use outlook for email client. | 09:20 |
| szlin | any other topics? | 09:20 |
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| szlin | #topic CIP Core | 09:21 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "CIP Core (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:21 | |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: I'll send you an email later | 09:21 |
| kazu | Discussion about supported package list is on going: https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-April/002119.html | 09:21 |
| kazu | Thank you for a lot of feedbacks | 09:21 |
| szlin | kazu: do you have the due date for cip core package discussion? CIP security working group are still discussing the essential security packages. | 09:21 |
| kazu | Currently, no clear due date | 09:22 |
| szlin | kazu: got it, thanks! | 09:22 |
| szlin | any other topics? | 09:22 |
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| szlin | #topic Software update | 09:22 |
| kazu | regarding the package lsit | 09:22 |
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| kazu | oh, | 09:22 |
| kazu | can I go ahead? | 09:23 |
| szlin | kazu: ah, of course | 09:23 |
| kazu | I attached the package list generated from debootstrap minbase | 09:23 |
| kazu | the package name are "source " package name , not binary | 09:23 |
| szlin | kazu: thanks! | 09:24 |
| kazu | but sometimes the binary package name is also important to know why this source is listed | 09:24 |
| kazu | like gcc-8 | 09:24 |
| kazu | I would like to summarize such information somewhere | 09:24 |
| kazu | including the packages suggested by cip-dev members | 09:25 |
| kazu | I also want to consider to decide due date | 09:25 |
| kazu | unfortunately, there are many holidays in the beginning of May in Japan | 09:26 |
| kazu | so I would like to decide after May 7th | 09:26 |
| szlin | kazu: I will notify yoshida-san to provide the estimated time for providing essential security packages | 09:26 |
| kazu | OK | 09:27 |
| szlin | for Software upate, I've uploaded swupdate into Debian archive few days ago | 09:27 |
| szlin | s/upate/update | 09:28 |
| szlin | any other topics? | 09:28 |
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| szlin | #topic AOB | 09:28 |
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| szlin | I suggest we can skip next week's meeting since many members are unable to join. | 09:29 |
| szlin | kazu: enjoy the 10 days holiday | 09:30 |
| kazu | szlin: thank you! | 09:30 |
| szlin | we can use mailing list to update the status if needed | 09:30 |
| szlin | any objections? | 09:30 |
| pave1 | No objection from me. So.. no phone call next week, no irc meeting next week? | 09:31 |
| szlin | pave1: yes. | 09:31 |
| szlin | okay | 09:31 |
| szlin | #agreed skip next week's IRC meeting | 09:31 |
| szlin | any other topics? | 09:31 |
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| szlin | #endmeeting | 09:31 |
| brlogger | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 09:31:52 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:31 |
| brlogger | Minutes: https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-25-09.00.html | 09:31 |
| brlogger | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-25-09.00.txt | 09:31 |
| brlogger | Log: https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-25-09.00.log.html | 09:31 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Civil Infrastructure Platform Project. Find the logs at https://irclogs.baserock.org/cip/" | 09:31 | |
| szlin | thank you all | 09:31 |
| pave1 | Thank you. | 09:32 |
| _gavinlai_ | thanks | 09:32 |
| kazu | thanks! | 09:32 |
| iwamatsu | thank you | 09:32 |
| mungaip[m] | Thanks! | 09:32 |
| pave1 | mungaip, szlin: So.. I'll get an LAVA account. | 09:32 |
| pave1 | Am I expected to use it for something concrete? | 09:33 |
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| mungaip[m] | pave1: I think the main reason was to do Arm64 testing, as the reference platforms aren't available yet (AFAIK) | 09:34 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Ok. But the patches has been tested before, so if I just apply them to -cip tree and let testlabs do the testing... that's still acceptable, right? | 09:35 |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: Yes, except for we're currently just doing boot tests in the test labs | 09:36 |
| mungaip[m] | We're working on some test cases but they're taking time to implement | 09:36 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Ok. | 09:36 |
| pave1 | Hmm. Testing is hard. For the patches currently on the list, I guess boot tests are quite adequate. | 09:37 |
| pave1 | If you have enough space (etc) for full debian, running kernel build (on target) once in a while can catch surprising ammount of problems. | 09:38 |
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| iwamatsu | The board will reach the developers this weekend. Are you going to send to Pavel? | 09:40 |
| iwamatsu | > mungaip | 09:40 |
| pave1 | I'm not sure if I want to have the board :-). Someone else is probably better at testing. | 09:40 |
| pave1 | But ssh access to the board would not be bad. | 09:41 |
| mungaip[m] | iwamatsu: I don't have the list of member companies that will receive a board, sorry! | 09:41 |
| pave1 | (And I guess board can be put into Denx virtual lab, where it would have serial console etc). | 09:42 |
| fujita[m] | Some boards of Arm64 were shipped from Japan today. Sorry for wait. | 09:42 |
| iwamatsu | mungaip[m]: I see, thanks. | 09:42 |
| pave1 | Oh, another good test I can suggest to you... "grep -ri blabla /sys". | 09:43 |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: Theoretically, you should have ssh access to any board in a LAVA | 09:43 |
| iwamatsu | fujita: great! | 09:43 |
| pave1 | mungaip: Aha. So I'll need to learn more about this LAVA thing. That sounds useful. Thanks! | 09:44 |
| mungaip[m] | pave1: Okay thanks! | 09:44 |
| pave1 | iwamatsu, szlin: Stable kernel reviews... I wonder what the exact goals are there? | 09:49 |
| pave1 | Is it okay for me to review v4.19-stable patches, too? | 09:50 |
| pave1 | Is the goal to eventually review everything, or do we want to just catch bugs? | 09:50 |
| pave1 | There seems to low ammount of "real" bugs (as in -- hmm this patch is so dangerous so it is worth reverting) | 09:51 |
| pave1 | ...but quite high ammount of patches that fix warnings or don't match stable kernel criteria in other ways. | 09:52 |
| szlin | pave1: ^ it's weird...I supposed upstream maintainer will point it out before merging. | 10:31 |
| pave1 | szlin: Well, it works differently. Apparently some kind of automated scripts select patches. | 10:56 |
| pave1 | Then -stable maintainers are supposed to review them, but subsystem maintainer does not need to acknowledge the patch, and Greg / Sasha apparently have quite a lot of patches flowing by them. | 10:57 |
| pave1 | And when the patch is applied, not matching criteria but not breaking anything, it is easier to leave it in. | 10:58 |
| szlin | pave1: yap, the only way to improve the quality of script is by human review & feedback. | 11:31 |
| szlin | pave1: We have a conclusion at CIP f2f meeeting that kernel of 4.4 and 4.19 will be released at least twice every month | 11:35 |
| szlin | pave1: I'll make a new plan with it. | 11:36 |
| pave1 | Okay, I'll log off irc now. Lets continue discussion over email. | 12:36 |
| pave1 | Bye! | 12:36 |
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| Profe1 | Hola Pepe | 15:12 |
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| Profe1 | hay alguien mas? | 15:12 |
| Jose5 | Holas | 15:12 |
| Profe1 | ya somos 2 | 15:13 |
| Pepe2 | Sueño con Vox | 15:13 |
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| JoseMaria | Hola a todos | 15:14 |
| Profe1 | hola Jose Maria | 15:14 |
| JoseMaria | Qué haceis por estos lugares? | 15:14 |
| Pepe2 | Soys muy malos | 15:15 |
| JoseMaria | porrrrrr? | 15:15 |
| Pepe2 | Corregir | 15:15 |
| Jose5 | Estamos en uma area local cuya ip no quiero recordar. | 15:16 |
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| JoseMaria | Hola sorin!!! | 15:18 |
| JoseMaria | Ya has merendado | 15:18 |
| Sorin | hello | 15:18 |
| Sorin | how are you? | 15:19 |
| JoseMaria | o estas como la tercera merienda | 15:19 |
| Pepe2 | Teneís que votar con cabeza | 15:20 |
| Jose5 | entonces llevaremos casco | 15:20 |
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| pedro1 | Ya era hora | 15:22 |
| toscalix | Profe1: Jose5 Profe1 JoseMaria pedro1 me parece que estan en el canal equivocado. Este canal es de Civil Infrastructure Project. | 15:22 |
| toscalix | I think you are in the wrong channel. This channel is for Civil Infrastructure Project related topics | 15:22 |
| toscalix | como establece el t'itulo del canal | 15:23 |
| toscalix | as stated in the channel topic | 15:23 |
| JoseMaria | Mandéeee!!!!!! | 15:24 |
| pedro1 | Hola.., la tierra es plana o redonda? | 15:24 |
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| toscalix | JoseMaria: pedro1 Por favor limiten las conversaciones al tema del canal. Please limit the conversations to the channel topic | 15:25 |
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