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| szlin | kazu_: hi bro!! | 08:59 |
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| kazu_ | Hi, SZ | 08:59 |
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| szlin | #startmeeting CIP IRC weekly meeting | 09:00 |
| brlogger | Meeting started Thu Apr 4 09:00:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szlin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| brlogger | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| brlogger | The meeting name has been set to 'cip_irc_weekly_meeting' | 09:00 |
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| szlin | #topic rollcall | 09:00 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:00 | |
| szlin | please say hi if you're here | 09:00 |
| iwamatsu__ | Hi | 09:00 |
| patersonc | hi | 09:00 |
| toyooka | hi | 09:00 |
| szlin | hi | 09:00 |
| mungaip[m] | hi | 09:00 |
| szlin | #topic AI review | 09:01 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "AI review (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:01 | |
| szlin | Action items: | 09:01 |
| szlin | 1. Iwamatsu-san will re-upload the 4.4.176-cip31 | 09:01 |
| szlin | -> Done | 09:01 |
| szlin | 2. The proposal of CIP identifiers in patch submissions will send to cip-dev – Chris | 09:01 |
| szlin | -> Done | 09:01 |
| szlin | 3. Ask for the permission in patchwork - szlin | 09:01 |
| szlin | -> Done (Thanks to Chris!) | 09:01 |
| szlin | 4. Discuss the naming of deby in TSC - Daniel Sangorrin | 09:01 |
| szlin | kazu_: ^ any comments? | 09:01 |
| szlin | kazu_: are you around ? | 09:02 |
| kazu_ | As i mentioned in TSC meeting, I need to confirm if we can use cipv1 cipv2... naming or not | 09:02 |
| kazu_ | it would be better to keep discussion in cip-dev | 09:03 |
| szlin | kazu_: may I ask who will make the decision? | 09:03 |
| kazu_ | I'm not sure | 09:04 |
| toscalix | hi | 09:05 |
| kazu_ | It might be decided in cip-core wg, then approved in TSC meeting | 09:05 |
| szlin | kazu_: okay, so you will send the email to cip-dev for further discussion | 09:05 |
| kazu_ | yes | 09:05 |
| toscalix | TSC is to steer, not the default decision forum for group related decisions | 09:05 |
| toscalix | in my view | 09:06 |
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| szlin | toscalix: yap, in my opinion. each group needs to make a decision itself | 09:07 |
| toscalix | yes, we communicate them and then if the TSC have a problem.... we take them back to revisit them. | 09:07 |
| szlin | toscalix: agree | 09:08 |
| toscalix | cip-dev should be our default forum to reacj consensus, assuming the maintainer role, which has a higher responsibility | 09:08 |
| kazu_ | OK thanks, so this should be decided in cip-core WG | 09:08 |
| toscalix | s/reahj/reach | 09:09 |
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| szlin | pavelm2: welcome! | 09:09 |
| pavelm2 | Hello. | 09:09 |
| szlin | #action Send discussion of deby naming to cip-dev - Kazu | 09:09 |
| szlin | 5. Daniel has to upload to the wiki the SW updates tool comparison document | 09:10 |
| szlin | kazu_: since Daniel is not here, do you have any update on it? | 09:10 |
| pavelm2 | It looks like my irc client was connecting me to wrong server, sorry for the delay. | 09:10 |
| kazu_ | sorry, i don't know any status update about it | 09:10 |
| szlin | pavelm2: it's no big deal. thanks for joining | 09:11 |
| szlin | kazu_: got it, thanks. I will ask him for the update | 09:11 |
| szlin | #action Send email to Daniel for SW update update - szlin | 09:12 |
| szlin | 6. The review results from Pavel will be confirmed - Iwamatsu-san | 09:12 |
| szlin | iwamatsu__: ^ do you have any comments? | 09:12 |
| szlin | iwamatsu__: are you around? | 09:13 |
| iwamatsu__ | szlin: i dont have any comment. I am reviwing Pavel's comment. | 09:14 |
| pavelm2 | Ok, so let me comment... | 09:14 |
| pavelm2 | Reviewing -stable patches is a lot of fun. Unfortunately -stable kernel does not really follow stable kernel rules. | 09:15 |
| szlin | iwamatsu__: thanks, I will keep this AI. | 09:15 |
| patersonc | :) | 09:15 |
| pavelm2 | If you have git tree nearby, run "git show 493107105843". | 09:16 |
| szlin | pavelm2: please hold on a second :p | 09:16 |
| pavelm2 | Ok :-). | 09:16 |
| szlin | : | 09:16 |
| szlin | #topic Kernel maintenance updates | 09:16 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Kernel maintenance updates (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:16 | |
| iwamatsu__ | yes, we need to join stable patch review in stable ML. | 09:16 |
| szlin | Iwamatsu announced the 4.4.176-cip31 stable release | 09:16 |
| szlin | #info https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-March/001976.html | 09:16 |
| szlin | Daniel announced the 4.4.176-cip31-rt23 stable release | 09:16 |
| szlin | #info https://lists.cip-project.org/pipermail/cip-dev/2019-March/001986.html | 09:16 |
| szlin | pavelm2: ok, please go ahead :) | 09:16 |
| pavelm2 | Ok, so... | 09:16 |
| pavelm2 | Some patches follow the rules and are simple bugfixes. | 09:17 |
| pavelm2 | Those are marked "ACK: pavel". | 09:17 |
| iwamatsu__ | https://gitlab.com/cip-project/cip-kernel/lts-commit-list/wikis/Review-linux-v4.4.176 | 09:17 |
| pavelm2 | Some may be good idea, but strictly speaking do not follow the rules. | 09:18 |
| pavelm2 | Example is 493107105843. | 09:18 |
| bwh | Right. The large one you pointed to is part of a security fix. | 09:18 |
| szlin | pavelm2: uhh, #493107105843 changed lots of data structure.. | 09:18 |
| pavelm2 | It has more than thousand lines of diff... and basically can't be reviewed. | 09:18 |
| pavelm2 | It is also spread over multiple commits. | 09:18 |
| bwh | And, thankfully there are test cases I could run. | 09:18 |
| pavelm2 | Yep, testing is good. | 09:19 |
| pavelm2 | Question is if we could at least get tagging "this does not follow usual rules" and hopefully explanation _why_ this is good idea. | 09:19 |
| pavelm2 | Because we get original changelog from mainline, but no explanation why it should go to stable. | 09:20 |
| bwh | Yes, that seems like a good idea | 09:20 |
| pavelm2 | It is not needed for simple one-liners, but it would really help for patches as complex as this :-). | 09:21 |
| bwh | The cip-kernel-sec repository can tell you which fixes relate to CVE IDs | 09:21 |
| bwh | (if the commit message doesn't) | 09:21 |
| szlin | #info https://gitlab.com/cip-project/cip-kernel/cip-kernel-sec | 09:21 |
| pavelm2 | I'll have to take a look at that. | 09:22 |
| szlin | pavelm2: agree, the rule could be broken but it needs the reason | 09:22 |
| szlin | any comments? | 09:23 |
| szlin | 3 | 09:23 |
| szlin | 2 | 09:23 |
| szlin | 1 | 09:23 |
| pavelm2 | szlin: Yes, and it would be good to have the reason in some central place. | 09:23 |
| szlin | pavelm2: yes! | 09:24 |
| szlin | #topic Kernel testing | 09:24 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Kernel testing (Meeting topic: CIP IRC weekly meeting)" | 09:24 | |
| patersonc | I have a question about Kernel configs. | 09:24 |
| patersonc | (sorry for delay) | 09:24 |
| szlin | #undo | 09:24 |
| brlogger | Removing item from minutes: #topic Kernel testing | 09:24 |
| patersonc | Hopefully we'll submit a renesas_defconfig for arm64 this week. | 09:25 |
| bwh | Upstream, or just for CIP? | 09:25 |
| patersonc | Do you want it as a patch for the cip v4.19 Kernel? Or just a PR for the config GitLab repo? | 09:25 |
| patersonc | Just CIP | 09:25 |
| patersonc | Upstream only allows the 'global' defconfig for arm64 | 09:26 |
| bwh | If I'm going to handle it, either a PR for the config repo or a bare file | 09:26 |
| patersonc | Okay. Thanks bwh | 09:26 |
| patersonc | Another topic - szlin do you plan to allocate patch reviews on cip-dev patchwork? | 09:27 |
| szlin | yes, when I get the permission... | 09:27 |
| patersonc | You should have it now? | 09:28 |
| patersonc | You're listed as a moderator | 09:28 |
| szlin | patersonc: ha, yes I can do it. | 09:28 |
| patersonc | :) | 09:28 |
| szlin | patersonc: It seems like the permission was granted today :D | 09:28 |
| szlin | patersonc: please go ahead with kernel testing | 09:29 |
| toscalix | meeting driven development | 09:29 |
| iwamatsu__ | szlin: Do you assign patch to reviewers? right? | 09:29 |
| szlin | iwamatsu__: yap, I will discuss the mechanism with you and pavel after the meeting | 09:30 |
| patersonc | Thank you szlin | 09:31 |
| iwamatsu__ | szlin: ok, thanks. | 09:31 |
| szlin | patersonc: any updates on kernel testing? | 09:32 |
| patersonc | Not really since the TSC. | 09:32 |
| szlin | any comments? | 09:32 |
| szlin | 3 | 09:32 |
| szlin | 2 | 09:32 |
| szlin | 1 | 09:32 |
| patersonc | Other than I'd like to encourage some more labs to be set up | 09:32 |
| szlin | patersonc: thanks! | 09:33 |
| szlin | #topic CIP Core | 09:33 |
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| szlin | kazu_: do you have any updates? | 09:33 |
| szlin | any comments? | 09:34 |
| kazu_ | There are several miner updates, but no big one | 09:34 |
| szlin | kazu_: could you list the updates here? | 09:34 |
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| kazu_ | regarding build systems | 09:35 |
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| kazu_ | deby: support generating minimal rootfs for RPi3 and BBB | 09:36 |
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| kazu_ | EID: add support of building CIP kernel (and other non-Debian sources) | 09:36 |
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| kazu_ | Regarding package lists to be supported by CIP, I need to keep discussion in the ML | 09:37 |
| patersonc | kazu_: Is there a plan to support other/all CIP reference platforms? | 09:38 |
| kazu_ | platforms mean the board lists supported by CIP? | 09:39 |
| kazu_ | if so, Yes of course | 09:39 |
| szlin | any comments? | 09:40 |
| patersonc | Thanks | 09:40 |
| szlin | 3 | 09:40 |
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| szlin | 1 | 09:40 |
| szlin | #topic Software update | 09:40 |
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| kazu_ | now we are only using BBB for the first PoC, but in future other platforms also should be suported | 09:40 |
| szlin | kazu_: thanks! | 09:40 |
| kazu_ | Sorry for the interrupt, please go ahead | 09:41 |
| szlin | kazu_: any updates for software update? | 09:41 |
| kazu_ | I don't have other updates than the reports from Suzuki-san in the last TSC meeting | 09:41 |
| szlin | I will discuss with Stefano with license issue in swupdate. | 09:41 |
| szlin | I plan to upload swupdate after license clarification | 09:42 |
| szlin | any comments? | 09:42 |
| szlin | 3 | 09:42 |
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| szlin | #topic AOB | 09:42 |
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| szlin | any other business? | 09:43 |
| szlin | 3 | 09:43 |
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| szlin | #endmeeting | 09:43 |
| brlogger | Meeting ended Thu Apr 4 09:43:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:43 |
| brlogger | Minutes: https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-04-09.00.html | 09:43 |
| brlogger | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-04-09.00.txt | 09:43 |
| brlogger | Log: https://irclogs.baserock.org/meetings/cip/2019/04/cip.2019-04-04-09.00.log.html | 09:43 |
| *** brlogger changes topic to "Civil Infrastructure Platform Project. Find the logs at https://irclogs.baserock.org/cip/" | 09:43 | |
| szlin | thank you all | 09:43 |
| bwh | Thank you szlin | 09:43 |
| pavelm2 | If possible, I'd like to talk with bwh... | 09:43 |
| bwh | pavelm2: OK | 09:44 |
| pavelm2 | ...and I should get access to cip-dev I guess :-). | 09:44 |
| bwh | That's an open list | 09:44 |
| iwamatsu__ | thank you, szlin | 09:44 |
| patersonc | https://lists.cip-project.org/mailman/listinfo/cip-dev | 09:45 |
| kazu_ | thank you szlin | 09:45 |
| pavelm2 | I tried to subscribe to cip-dev, but did not get an email from it so far. | 09:45 |
| toyooka | Thank you szlin | 09:45 |
| bwh | Oh, huh | 09:45 |
| pavelm2 | Thank you, szlin. | 09:45 |
| iwamatsu__ | pavelm2: hmm, I can ask to admin of ML about this. | 09:46 |
| pavelm2 | iwamatsu: Thanks. | 09:46 |
| pavelm2 | It is only hour or so, but email is usually faster than that. | 09:46 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: If possible, it would be nice to have "upstream commit id" in stable patches in header. | 09:47 |
| bwh | Yes it should only take a minute or so. (But maybe your server is greylisting?) | 09:47 |
| pavelm2 | Something like "Upstream: <sha>". | 09:47 |
| pavelm2 | Plus, it would be nice to collect acks and tested-bys for stable. | 09:47 |
| bwh | pavelm2: That might be better than the three different formats and their minor variants... | 09:48 |
| pavelm2 | There are patches I acked for mainline, but attempted to Nak for stable... but that's impossible to tell from the commit messages. | 09:48 |
| pavelm2 | Graylisting ... no idea really, it is a company server. I guess I could subscribe with personal address if everything else fails. | 09:49 |
| bwh | I think Greg would happily add explicit Acked-by and Tested-bys, but they aren't often sent | 09:49 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: I'm reviewing stable kernels anyway, so I'm willing to send Acked-by's if someone collects them :-). | 09:50 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: One example is 493107105843 . Its way too complex, so presumably _someone_ tested it in stable, but changelog does not tell us to that. | 09:52 |
| pavelm2 | szlin: You wanted to speak about patchwork? | 09:53 |
| bwh | pavelm2: OK, I will try to remember to include a Tested-by in any further backports I do and am able to test | 09:54 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: Thanks :-). | 09:55 |
| szlin | pavelm2: oh yes, but I'm leaving for a while | 09:56 |
| szlin | pavelm2: would you hang on in IRC? | 09:57 |
| bwh | pavelm2: Is that all you wanted to talk about with me? | 09:57 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: One possibility would be... Anything in the log before Upstream is for mainline, anything after that is for stable. | 09:57 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: Yes, thanks. | 09:57 |
| iwamatsu__ | pavelm2: admin said: ML of cip-dev does not support mail addees containing '+'. | 09:57 |
| bwh | pavelm2: Yes, that would work nicely. OK, bye for now | 09:57 |
| pavelm2 | iwamatsu: But I did not try to use "+" this time. | 09:57 |
| pavelm2 | bwh: Bye! | 09:57 |
| pavelm2 | szlin: Yes, tell me how long I should be around. | 09:58 |
| iwamatsu__ | pavelm2: I see. admin can add you to by hand. could you tell me email address you want to add ? | 10:00 |
| pavelm2 | iwamatsu: pavel@denx.de would be great. | 10:00 |
| iwamatsu__ | pavelm2: OK, admin just add you to cip-dev ML. | 10:01 |
| pavelm2 | iwamatsu: Thank you! | 10:02 |
| iwamatsu__ | pavelm2: you are welcome | 10:03 |
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