| *** AlisonChaiken has quit IRC | 00:14 | |
| *** onionfra has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| mranostay | heh i suspect you are banned | 00:42 |
|---|---|---|
| *** onionfra has joined #automotive | 01:10 | |
| *** AlisonChaiken has joined #automotive | 03:40 | |
| *** akilaw has joined #automotive | 03:56 | |
| *** akila_w has joined #automotive | 04:50 | |
| *** akilaw has quit IRC | 04:51 | |
| *** akila_w has quit IRC | 05:03 | |
| *** jdot has joined #automotive | 05:46 | |
| *** jdot has quit IRC | 06:37 | |
| *** jdot has joined #automotive | 06:57 | |
| *** leon-anavi has joined #automotive | 07:02 | |
| *** jdot has quit IRC | 07:06 | |
| leon-anavi | morning | 07:06 |
| *** claneys has joined #automotive | 07:10 | |
| *** rajm has joined #automotive | 07:13 | |
| *** toscalix has joined #automotive | 07:31 | |
| *** jdot has joined #automotive | 07:34 | |
| *** kooltux_ has joined #automotive | 07:51 | |
| *** kooltux_ has quit IRC | 08:02 | |
| *** kbroulik has joined #automotive | 08:16 | |
| Paul2 | hello! | 08:22 |
| *** rajm has quit IRC | 08:25 | |
| *** mfritzsch has joined #automotive | 08:28 | |
| *** rajm has joined #automotive | 08:40 | |
| *** rajm has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** rajm has joined #automotive | 08:49 | |
| *** frznlogic has quit IRC | 09:03 | |
| *** CTtpollard has joined #automotive | 09:04 | |
| *** jacobo has joined #automotive | 09:14 | |
| *** jdot has quit IRC | 10:34 | |
| *** caiortp has joined #automotive | 11:50 | |
| *** frznlogic has joined #automotive | 11:52 | |
| * CTtpollard enjoys getting the gdp email 3 times | 12:12 | |
| leon-anavi | heh, CTtpollard yes, quite a lot of reminders today :) | 13:02 |
| *** halfincognito is now known as halfline | 13:02 | |
| *** kooltux_ has joined #automotive | 13:21 | |
| *** AlisonChaiken has quit IRC | 13:30 | |
| *** leon-anavi has quit IRC | 13:54 | |
| *** kooltux has quit IRC | 14:38 | |
| *** akilaw has joined #automotive | 14:54 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 14:56 | |
| *** akila_w has joined #automotive | 15:01 | |
| *** akilaw has quit IRC | 15:04 | |
| *** leon has joined #automotive | 15:31 | |
| *** leon is now known as leon-anavi | 15:31 | |
| *** mfritzsch has quit IRC | 15:34 | |
| *** kbroulik has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| *** rajm has quit IRC | 15:48 | |
| *** martinkelly1 has joined #automotive | 15:49 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 16:03 | |
| *** akila_w has quit IRC | 16:12 | |
| *** akila_w has joined #automotive | 16:12 | |
| *** akila_w has quit IRC | 16:14 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 16:18 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 16:39 | |
| *** wesam has joined #automotive | 16:43 | |
| *** martinkelly has quit IRC | 16:49 | |
| *** claneys has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| *** leon-anavi has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| *** jdot has joined #automotive | 17:14 | |
| *** toscalix has quit IRC | 17:21 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 17:32 | |
| *** ToxicGumbo-work has quit IRC | 17:35 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 17:52 | |
| *** ToxicGumbo-work has joined #automotive | 18:12 | |
| *** wesam has quit IRC | 19:12 | |
| *** jdot has joined #automotive | 19:12 | |
| *** akilaw has joined #automotive | 19:41 | |
| *** kooltux has joined #automotive | 19:42 | |
| *** jdot has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| *** kooltux has quit IRC | 19:58 | |
| *** kooltux has joined #automotive | 20:04 | |
| *** praneeth has quit IRC | 20:26 | |
| *** praneeth has joined #automotive | 20:26 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 20:36 | |
| *** caiortp has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** akilaw has quit IRC | 20:55 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 21:25 | |
| fury | what are the official reference bsps these days? | 21:27 |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 21:33 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 21:44 | |
| smurray | fury: supported boards, you mean? | 21:46 |
| fury | yeah | 21:46 |
| *** kooltux has quit IRC | 21:47 | |
| smurray | fury: iirc, officially supported in Dab is porter, m3, max/turbot, community supported are joule, rpi2/3, TI Vayu, anything else | 21:48 |
| fury | ah ok, cool. thanks :D | 21:48 |
| smurray | fury: the web page hasn't been updated to mention m3, but it's officially supported AFAIK | 21:49 |
| fury | tempted to just find a CPU and make one :P | 21:49 |
| fury | https://voltastream.com/product/voltastream-zero/ this looks pretty neat -- wonder if i could just plop down a dual or quad core iMX6 in place of the single core | 21:50 |
| smurray | if you're just doing dev, the i7 image works on things like NUCs | 21:50 |
| smurray | fury: something like the hummingboard pro or edge uses that and exposes a lot more I/O | 21:51 |
| fury | i think i might have a hummingboard laying around here somewhere, actually O_o | 21:52 |
| smurray | fury: note that imx6 is one of the less tested AGL platforms | 21:52 |
| fury | yeah | 21:52 |
| fury | saw the imx6qsabrelite got taken out of the snapshot builds | 21:52 |
| *** kooltux has joined #automotive | 21:53 | |
| smurray | fury: there's sadly not really a suitable ARM dev board that has good CPU/GPU and a really good BSP. The BSP for the renesas h3/m3 is still kind of shaky | 21:55 |
| fury | hmm... nuc 7 core i3 maybe? | 21:56 |
| fury | dunno | 21:57 |
| fury | i don't see any nucs that pack as much punch as the minnowboard quad or lattepanda. think i'll grab a lattepanda and see if i can get linux on it. cheaper and smaller than the minnowboard, built in storage O_o | 22:03 |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 22:15 | |
| smurray | fury: there are i5 and i7 nucs, they're just not cheap or particularly compact | 22:20 |
| smurray | fury: I use a skull canyon nuc as a portable build machine, has i7-6700HQ | 22:21 |
| fury | sweet | 22:21 |
| fury | i'm thinking something i can design into a little double din space so i can replace the pioneer head unit i crammed into my new car :P | 22:22 |
| fury | it's already pissing me off, doesn't start up sometimes, or will take a long time to do so | 22:22 |
| smurray | I think you're likely stuck picking a decent SOM and getting/designing a carrier | 22:23 |
| smurray | you can get some decent Intel chips on SOMs, but $$$ | 22:23 |
| fury | or maybe the pi would be fine if i redesigned it to 800x480 | 22:23 |
| fury | since that likely requires a minor fraction of the GPU memory | 22:23 |
| fury | less than 1/5th as much | 22:24 |
| smurray | yeah, that GPU is a PITA | 22:25 |
| smurray | there's an 835 based 96board coming from Qualcomm that should have decent horsepower and uses the extended form factor to get ethernet, etc., but it's not clear if the graphics stack's going to be useful from the get go | 22:27 |
| fury | i don't quite recall what the deal is with that, i don't seem to have any trouble with running GPU-intense apps over on the raspbian desktop... | 22:27 |
| smurray | X11 vs Wayland | 22:27 |
| fury | oh | 22:28 |
| JEEB | opengl es is bad on rpi? | 22:28 |
| fury | snapdragon 835 sounds pretty beefy | 22:28 |
| smurray | plus the AGL apps all map close to full-screen surfaces in wayland, sucks up all the memory | 22:28 |
| fury | would i be better off running everything as one AGL app or a series of little ones? | 22:29 |
| smurray | in my tests with the WIP AGL pyro upgrade on rpi3, opening a second app straight up crashes the driver | 22:29 |
| JEEB | \o/ man, I love that driver | 22:29 |
| fury | woo, crashes even faster! | 22:30 |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 22:30 | |
| smurray | I suspect we can alleviate it a bit by tweaking the CMA settings again, I'm guessing something's changed from 4.4 to 4.9 | 22:31 |
| JEEB | right | 22:31 |
| JEEB | since things have been sliding into upstream touching the rpi drivers up until 4.12 I think? | 22:32 |
| fury | i'll have to rework everything to 800x480 anyway so just wondering whether i should leave all the demo apps as is but redesign them individually, or combine as many as i'll use into one single app | 22:32 |
| JEEB | so changes are quite possible | 22:32 |
| smurray | but crashing seems kind of bad, with the older bits in AGL 3 & 4, apps would just fail to start when GPU memory ran out | 22:32 |
| smurray | JEEB: yeah, he's been upstreaming quite a lot | 22:32 |
| JEEB | smurray: I've looked at how video rendering was developed using the hw overlay and opengl for rpi over at the mpv project, and let's just say that it was a PITA with all the crashes if you touch some interfaces the wrong way | 22:33 |
| JEEB | btw is https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/agl-raspberrypi still up to date regarding rpi3? | 22:34 |
| fury | i remember backporting a patch from weston 1.9 that occurred when touch coordinates were out of range (which could happen with certain calibration values, which i had to do on one of my 7" touchscreens that didn't have a good built in calibration) | 22:34 |
| fury | patch for a crash in* | 22:34 |
| fury | really weird how things like that will just up and crash the whole deal | 22:35 |
| JEEB | weston is the reference so IIRC it had a lot of assert-like stuff in there | 22:35 |
| fury | turns out software is hard | 22:35 |
| smurray | JEEB: it looks reasonable, but afaik this is more up to date: http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/machines/raspberrypi.html | 22:36 |
| JEEB | smurray: cheers | 22:36 |
| JEEB | I thought I might give it a whirl | 22:36 |
| JEEB | the last time I built an image was back when things were called Tizen IVI 3.0 :) | 22:36 |
| smurray | JEEB: grabbing the Dab release is likely better than Chinook | 22:37 |
| *** martinkelly1 has quit IRC | 22:37 | |
| JEEB | alright | 22:37 |
| JEEB | I would probably try to add libmpv and some simple thing using that into the image after getting it running :) | 22:38 |
| JEEB | I guess AGL has wayland (weston?) for video and pulseaudio for audio? | 22:39 |
| JEEB | will have to check what the application framework has become, too | 22:39 |
| smurray | yes, though ATM there's no video player in the demos, and the current discussion around the future of audio potentially dropping PA in favor of an app f/w specific thing based on ALSA | 22:40 |
| smurray | oops, stick "involves" before potentially ^ | 22:41 |
| JEEB | alrighty | 22:41 |
| smurray | on the video playback side, the architecture folks haven't gotten around to designing something for the app f/w yet AFAIK | 22:42 |
| JEEB | rights-wise I guess? | 22:43 |
| *** kooltux_ has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| JEEB | but yea, if I have time during the week-end I will see if I can get a simple Qt thing work with libmpv, with libmpv rendering into an opengl context. | 22:47 |
| fury | sign me up for that when you've got a jira or something opened up for it, i'm interested as well - hopefully i can find a way to help somehow even knowing nothing about libmpv :D | 22:49 |
| smurray | JEEB: just architecturally, the app f/w has its own way of doing things | 22:51 |
| smurray | JEEB: but, also yes, there may be concerns about codecs and licensing | 22:51 |
| JEEB | of course, that's always an issue and why gstreamer is so loved :) | 22:52 |
| JEEB | (since a lot of proprietary vendors give you modules for gstreamer IIRC) | 22:53 |
| JEEB | fury: the libmpv side should be simple unless the rpi3 opengl drivers go wonky https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-examples/blob/master/libmpv/qml_direct/main.cpp#L53 | 22:54 |
| *** jlrmagnus has quit IRC | 22:59 | |
| *** jlrmagnus has joined #automotive | 23:26 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.14.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!