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| fury | hi guys | 15:09 |
| fury | how's it hangin? | 15:09 |
| CTtpollard | better, heatwave seems to have stopped in England | 15:09 |
| CTtpollard | or at least here anyway | 15:09 |
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| fury | cool | 15:13 |
| fury | :D | 15:13 |
| mranostay | morning peope | 15:15 |
| mranostay | people even | 15:15 |
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| mranostay | jobol: how goes SPEC-670? :) | 15:42 |
| jobol | mranostay, I'm working on. I think it will be solved at the begin of next week, monday or tuesday | 15:44 |
| jobol | It will probably be possible to make some test tomorrow but... I had many mails to read and tomorrow I've an appointment | 15:45 |
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| Vitalik | Hi all | 16:31 |
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| CTtpollard | hi Vitalik | 16:31 |
| Vitalik | I'm pretty excited to find out an Automotive-related IRC:) | 16:32 |
| Vitalik | Could you guide me to Automotive Linux support? | 16:33 |
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| Vitalik | I'm trying to install AGL to NexCom's VTC1010 and nothing happens | 16:33 |
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| Vitalik | black screen with blinking | 16:34 |
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| Vitalik | USB 3.0 drive flashed using mkefi-agl.sh with: 1) https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/release/blowfish/latest/intel-corei7-64/deploy/images/intel-corei7-64/agl-demo-platform-intel-corei7-64.hddimg 2) https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/release/chinook/latest/intel-corei7-64/deploy/images/intel-corei7-64/agl-demo-platform-intel-corei7-64.hddimg On both images, VTC1010 stuck on boot (in legacy mode) with blinking sybmol | 16:35 |
| Vitalik | any ideas where I can ask someone for help? (if not here) | 16:36 |
| CTtpollard | Vitalik, | 16:36 |
| CTtpollard | have you tried the agl mailing list? | 16:36 |
| fury | this would be one of the places, if there's somebody around at the moment - the other place you might ask is the AGL mailing list | 16:36 |
| fury | jinx | 16:36 |
| CTtpollard | there's people directly from intel who help on there | 16:36 |
| Vitalik | haven't actually tried today | 16:36 |
| Vitalik | but I have two VTC1010 units, and its says that AGL actually validate their builds on VTC1010 | 16:37 |
| Vitalik | and I can't make VTC read CANbus, no matter what I try:/ | 16:37 |
| Vitalik | thanks, fury, CTtpollard | 16:37 |
| CTtpollard | I've only ever booted the agl intel image on a minnowboard | 16:38 |
| Vitalik | do you know VTC1010 units? | 16:38 |
| Vitalik | vendor promised I can read CANbus with it | 16:38 |
| Vitalik | and it doesn't even initialise CAN interface | 16:38 |
| fury | i've heard of them but never had my hands on one | 16:39 |
| fury | doesn't initialize CAN at all, even on whatever image they supplied with it? | 16:40 |
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| Vitalik | in fact | 16:48 |
| Vitalik | I've installed Ubuntu with can-utils | 16:48 |
| fury | all the right kernel modules enabled? | 16:48 |
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| Vitalik | but I can't put up CAN interface, as both CAN modules can't be detected | 16:48 |
| Vitalik | I can't find the specs for internal CANbus reader | 16:49 |
| Vitalik | but external board is VIOB-CAN-03 | 16:49 |
| Vitalik | it doesn't work with Ubuntu or Fedora normally | 16:49 |
| Vitalik | http://files.nexcom.com/Driver/VTC1010-BK/User_Manual_VTC1010_151028.pdf | 16:50 |
| Vitalik | nexcom's manual and vendors | 16:50 |
| Vitalik | all say integrated CANbus 2.0B reader | 16:50 |
| Vitalik | but there're no controllers detected, socketcan doesn't see anything | 16:50 |
| Vitalik | I tried plugging in Kvaser Leaf 2 and plugging it into my Skoda, works like a charm with candump | 16:51 |
| smurray | afaik, if there's any validation going on, it's on Nexcom's part, as I've never seen any mention of their board in any of the AGL docs | 16:53 |
| fury | hmm. i can't find recent evidence of AGL on VTC1010 | 16:54 |
| fury | the docs http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/machines/intel.html talk about minnowboard and joule | 16:54 |
| fury | there were some old references to the VTC1010 (from the Tizen days) | 16:54 |
| fury | on the wiki | 16:54 |
| CTtpollard | I know of some companies using GDP on vtc1010, as they're based on the same base bsp's there should be some cross compatibility between the projects | 16:55 |
| CTtpollard | the layer supports that atom afaik | 16:55 |
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| Vitalik | sorry, my laptop gone dead | 18:38 |
| Vitalik | fury: >>there were some old references to the VTC1010 (from the Tizen days) — I thought it was merged into | 18:39 |
| Vitalik | and has anyone ever tried reading can on nexcom's units? | 18:42 |
| Vitalik | I've been combing through their docs for a 3 days now and it seems like they're a bit "too" hardware | 18:43 |
| Vitalik | because they simply dropped SW support for 2-year units | 18:43 |
| Vitalik | is this chat active usually? I'll be happy to hang out with you:) | 18:46 |
| Vitalik | maybe it's worth switching to Minnowboard-based solution? | 19:00 |
| Vitalik | are they widely-supported? | 19:00 |
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| smurray | Vitalik: minnowboard max is one of the AGL supported platforms, yes, but you'd need to add some other h/w to do CAN | 19:08 |
| Vitalik | oh | 19:08 |
| smurray | Vitalik: likely a USB adapyter | 19:09 |
| Vitalik | sorry to be buzzing around, is there a chance that I can initiate CANbus interfaces on VTC1010 (which is what we bought it for:)) | 19:09 |
| smurray | Vitalik: no idea | 19:09 |
| Vitalik | I'm actually trying to get an embedded computer into car (Skoda/VW) and grab all the data from CANbuses | 19:10 |
| Vitalik | Kvaser works really well in fact | 19:11 |
| Vitalik | but it's cool to get some open-source tools/PCs to do the job | 19:11 |
| Vitalik | Kvaser/Intrepid/Vector/Peak's prices are fun to quote | 19:11 |
| Vitalik | smurray: USB-adapter is a bit too many wires though | 19:13 |
| Vitalik | it would be cool to have an integral solution, which can be screwed to a side in trunk and forgotten | 19:14 |
| smurray | Vitalik: maybe contact Nexcom support and ask them about Linux support | 19:14 |
| Vitalik | I quote "shall work out-of-the-box" | 19:15 |
| fury | if the appropriate can driver modules are loaded i don't see why it wouldn't work on plain ubuntu | 19:15 |
| Vitalik | and re-compiling the kernel is not really an out of the box I expected | 19:15 |
| Vitalik | there're no drivers, as there's no info on the actual chip taking care of canbus reading | 19:15 |
| Vitalik | Built-in CAN 2.0B. Optional CAN/OBDII Combo Module (SAE J1939/ | 19:16 |
| Vitalik | CAN2.0B by DIP Switch) | 19:16 |
| Vitalik | optional CAN/OBDII is a strange VIOB-CAN-3 board, really cryptic creature | 19:18 |
| Vitalik | refuses to work with ubuntu and can-utils | 19:19 |
| smurray | I've no good idea beyond maybe emailing the automotive-discussions mailing list and seeing if anyone else has one and can help | 19:19 |
| Vitalik | and have you had any experience with such units? | 19:19 |
| fury | that sounds to me like a lack of a mainline linux driver for whatever CAN module they built in | 19:19 |
| Vitalik | fury: but I thought it should be somehow detected | 19:20 |
| fury | did you say you plugged in a USB Kvaser and it worked? | 19:20 |
| Vitalik | but there's no trace of it | 19:20 |
| Vitalik | yeah | 19:20 |
| fury | ok | 19:20 |
| Vitalik | Kvaser works with native socketcan driver and reads Skoda's canbus | 19:20 |
| Vitalik | on that same VTC | 19:20 |
| Vitalik | furthermore, VTC sends/receives the canbus via a GPIO multiport, which is programmable, but there's no manual on how to program it :D | 19:21 |
| Vitalik | I actually wrote to NexCom | 19:21 |
| fury | yeah, means basically whatever CAN module they built in does not have a mainline driver in the linux kernel, and that means no out of box support, either a kernel module or the kernel itself has to be recompiled | 19:21 |
| Vitalik | so I have to torture NexCom to give me some answers? | 19:22 |
| Vitalik | :/ | 19:22 |
| fury | they probably mean "yeah it boots linux out of the box but you'll need to hunt down drivers" rather than "yeah it boots linux and supports all the features we listed out of the box" | 19:22 |
| Vitalik | ahah | 19:22 |
| Vitalik | oh, that "out-of-the-box" | 19:23 |
| Vitalik | okay, laptop runs out again, I'm Vitalik and we work on connected cars and predictive routes for smart cats | 19:23 |
| Vitalik | cats | 19:23 |
| fury | the good news is once you figure out what CAN module it is, there's a 50% chance there's a linux driver written for it somewhere, even if it's not in the main tree | 19:23 |
| fury | smart cats! | 19:23 |
| Vitalik | I'm glad to join your community:) | 19:23 |
| Vitalik | will keep you updated on my humiliation with canbus | 19:24 |
| Vitalik | talk to you soon! | 19:24 |
| fury | no worries, check back in and let us know your progress, or ping the mailing list and ask if anyone knows the VTC 1010 better | 19:24 |
| fury | have a good one :D | 19:24 |
| Vitalik | :) | 19:24 |
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