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| uaelinux | hello | 09:24 |
| CTtpollard | o/ | 09:24 |
| uaelinux | what is best way to build AGL on MAC OSX (sierra) ? | 09:25 |
| uaelinux | or let me rephrase it, has any one build AGL on OSX? | 09:27 |
| CTtpollard | uaelinux: I don't think yocto has full native support for OSX, but I'm not certain | 09:30 |
| CTtpollard | uaelinux: can you use docker or parallels? | 09:31 |
| uaelinux | not a big fan of virtualization was hoping since OSX is bsd based there should be a native support | 09:33 |
| CTtpollard | uaelinux: You're probably better off asking directly in #yocto on this server | 09:34 |
| uaelinux | thank CTtpollard | 09:34 |
| CTtpollard | AGL is a poky derivative, so if poky build on osx AGL should | 09:34 |
| leon-anavi | imho get rid of the mac os and use GNU/Linux distribution :) | 09:36 |
| leon-anavi | According to my experience Mac OS is good only for joining the GENIVI dev call each Wednesday ... and watching YouTube :) | 09:37 |
| uaelinux | well question is how hard is to port yocto/poky to darwin ? Would it not give yocto/AGL access to darwin/macosx kernel developers? | 09:40 |
| leon-anavi | http://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/2.1/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#detailed-supported-distros | 09:42 |
| leon-anavi | uaelinux, if you are in experimental mood you can give it a try on mac osx. It will be a hard task. | 09:42 |
| leon-anavi | If you want to get the job done I recommend you to follow the official guidelines of the Yocto Project and use any of the recommended distribution in the link above. | 09:43 |
| uaelinux | i agree it will be hard task . I normally use MAC as it gives be best of both worlds (command line , gcc,python) and the support from closed source | 09:44 |
| dl9pf_ | uaelinux: can you run docker ? | 09:52 |
| uaelinux | yes, i think that is the only way to try AGL on mac as of now | 09:53 |
| dl9pf_ | yes, use the docker container ... | 09:54 |
| dl9pf_ | basically you can download the SDK (look at this guide: http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/setup-sdk-environment.html ) | 09:54 |
| dl9pf_ | there are never SDK's available ... so adapt the URL for the docker container import (see https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/snapshots/sdk/docker/ ) | 09:55 |
| dl9pf_ | https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/snapshots/sdk/docker/docker_agl_worker-generic-3.99.1.tar.xz is the latest | 09:55 |
| dl9pf_ | you don't need to install an SDK ... just use clone AGL inside the container | 09:56 |
| dl9pf_ | aka we just need the docker/linux env of the sdk container to run bitbake | 09:56 |
| uaelinux | thanks dl9pf | 09:57 |
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| Tartarus | hey dl9pf_, are we moving rpi3 over to 64bit? Or rpi foundation firmware? I'm confused by the uImage->Image change | 11:47 |
| dl9pf_ | Tartarus: no, there's the 32bit variant and there's a MACHINE="raspberrypi3-64" in review . | 11:49 |
| Tartarus | So https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/#/c/9727/3 is still wrong then, yes? | 11:49 |
| Tartarus | Since we need uImage and bootm for the 32bit targets | 11:50 |
| dl9pf_ | more likely aligning with upstream ... @leon-anavi is on it atm. | 11:50 |
| dl9pf_ | why do we strictly need uImage ? | 11:51 |
| leon-anavi | I have switched from uImage to Image for machines raspberrypi3 and raspberrypi2 because otherwise AGL failed to boot on these boards. | 11:51 |
| leon-anavi | The change is currently in a review in Gerrit: 9727 | 11:52 |
| leon-anavi | It is related to the issues described in SPEC-649 and SPEC-650 | 11:52 |
| leon-anavi | or in other words these two issues describe that AGL fails to boot on rpi3 therefore the fix from change 9727 is required. | 11:53 |
| Tartarus | leon-anavi: Can you log the serial console on a successful boot? | 11:53 |
| leon-anavi | yes, with Image and no with uImage. | 11:53 |
| leon-anavi | with KERNEL_IMAGETYPE = "uImage" there is no output on the serial console at all. | 11:53 |
| Tartarus | Yeah, I wanna see what's going on with Image | 11:54 |
| leon-anavi | Tartarus, rpi3 or rpi2? | 11:55 |
| Tartarus | Both if you can easily, but 3 if you don't have the 2 setup atm | 11:56 |
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| leon-anavi | I have a rpi3 setup atm | 12:00 |
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| leon-anavi | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dfe0f7851b04f2befda880e5c0d7ab1c | 12:08 |
| Tartarus | leon-anavi: So there's nothing at all from U-Boot then, right? | 12:10 |
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| Tartarus | leon-anavi, dl9pf_, it looks like as I thought, we're switching out U-Boot for the rpi foundation firmware. Is that intentional? | 12:13 |
| Tartarus | I'm biased and all, but that's still fine, so long as it's intentional and not a side effect :) | 12:13 |
| leon-anavi | The agl-sota feature relies on u-boot because of ostree | 12:14 |
| leon-anavi | in meta-agl we have copied sdcard_image-rpi.bbclass from meta-raspberrypi (with a minor change). | 12:14 |
| leon-anavi | In this class u-boot.bin is deployed if KERNEL_IMAGETYPE is uImage. | 12:15 |
| Tartarus | Right. But that boot log, without any U-Boot prints, is then just going with the rpi foundation firmware | 12:23 |
| Tartarus | Check out what kernel*img is | 12:23 |
| leon-anavi | yes, it is, because it is with Image | 12:28 |
| leon-anavi | the boot log is from the regular AGL, aka without feature agl-sota | 12:28 |
| leon-anavi | my change from uImage to Image is applied therefore it uses the rpi foudation firmware | 12:29 |
| leon-anavi | If I add agl-sota feature the meta-updater layer will be used, KERNEL_IMAGETYPE should be set to uImage and then u-boot should be used instead as it is required for OSTree. | 12:30 |
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| Tartarus | khilman: ping about the above | 13:11 |
| Tartarus | But also doesn't that make CI harder in general? Since I think I'm still the only weirdo with WiFi SD cards in my Pis :) | 13:12 |
| Tartarus | (iirc you can make the rpi firmware tftp tho, I just didn't make it work when I was spending an hour messing with fushcia stuff a while ago) | 13:13 |
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| khilman | Tartarus, leon-anavi: I'm still trying to understand the goal of removing u-boot. | 14:31 |
| khilman | IMO, that makes CI harder, as it removes a lot of flexilibity in custom kernel/dtb/ramdisk | 14:31 |
| Tartarus | khilman: I would assume that it's about matching meta-raspberrypi as that doesn't default to U-Boot, but I agree wrt CI | 14:33 |
| leon-anavi | khilman, AGL from master wasn't working on rpi3 and rpi2. The latest release of the previous version of AGL chinook is working. By comparing the differences I noticed that in chinook the KERNEL_IMAGETYPE is Image therefore as a hot fix I reverted the value of KERNEL_IMAGETYPE from uImage to Image in the master branch of AGL. | 14:33 |
| leon-anavi | This is how Change 9727 appeared in Gerrit. | 14:33 |
| leon-anavi | Some details were reported in JIRA: https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-649 and https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-650 | 14:34 |
| khilman | I'll have to have a closer look at that (after some meetings) | 14:34 |
| khilman | but seems an alternate solution would also be to fix/upgrade uboot on whatever boards were failing. | 14:35 |
| khilman | curious: how is the SD card being (re)written to get a new kernel on every time? | 14:35 |
| leon-anavi | AGL has a feature called agl-sota which requires additional layer meta-updater. This features works with u-boot in rpi3 and it boots, although there are some other issues with agl-sota. | 14:35 |
| khilman | so are you saying that feature is broken without uboot? | 14:36 |
| leon-anavi | khilman, in meta-agl there is a copy of sdcard_image-rpi with a minor modification: meta-agl-bsp/classes/sdcard_image-rpi.bbclass | 14:36 |
| leon-anavi | probably the right way will be to upstream this modification to the upstream of meta-raspberrypi and after that delete the copy of the class from meta-agl. | 14:37 |
| fury | If I take the kernel7.img from the last dab RC snapshot (5-30) and plop it down into the boot folder of a recent build, it boots (uImage and all) - might be better to track down what caused kernel7.img to break maybe? | 14:37 |
| fury | though I’m not sure how to tell what causes that to change | 14:37 |
| fury | all I know is I was fiddling with replacing the entire boot partition on a recent build with the old one from May, and narrowed it down to kernel7.img | 14:38 |
| leon-anavi | khilman, yes, agl-sota relies on u-boot. This feature brings software over the air updates to AGL based on OSTree and Aktualizr (developed by ATS Advanced Telematic Systems) | 14:38 |
| fury | I have no idea how that and uImage/Image relate | 14:38 |
| leon-anavi | fury, as soon as Change 9727 is merged you will have to same experience without manually copying kernel7.img from older versions :) | 14:39 |
| fury | But at the same time it’d be cool to have sota. Do I kill sota by using the kernel7.img they works? | 14:41 |
| Tartarus | fury: what is the content of that working kernel7.img tho | 14:41 |
| fury | that* | 14:41 |
| Tartarus | is it u-boot or a linux kernel? | 14:42 |
| fury | Hmm. Good question. It flashes by so quick, I’ll have to try and watch it closely | 14:43 |
| fury | Unless there's a way to edit the file in a hex editor to find it | 14:45 |
| Tartarus | Well, how big is it? | 14:45 |
| Tartarus | kilobytes would be U-Boot, megabytes would be linux | 14:45 |
| leon-anavi | the generation of kernel7.img is done by class meta-agl/meta-agl-bsp/classes/sdcard_image-rpi.bbclass | 14:49 |
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| fury | it's 338 kb | 14:54 |
| fury | so it sounds like it's uboot | 14:54 |
| fury | if it's uboot does that mean sota should work? | 14:57 |
| fury | i've been meaning to play around with sota, maybe now's a good time :P | 14:58 |
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| fury | i just had to reboot my laptop's keyboard ._. | 15:02 |
| fury | because it was preventing the thing from booting | 15:02 |
| fury | i am tempted to never buy another lenovo as long as i live | 15:03 |
| CTtpollard | I have a few mobo's try to first boot from usb keyboard/mice before | 15:04 |
| fury | then again, the form factor of this thing was dubious at best. lower 3/5ths of it is a detachable keyboard/trackpad/battery dock, the firmware in the thing gets hung up when the dock's battery dies | 15:04 |
| fury | so i plug it in and it doesn't start charging, nor does the system boot at all - i have to pull out my trusty used-to-be-a-paperclip reset button pusher / sim removal tool and hold in the reset button for it to get unhung | 15:05 |
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| Tartarus | fury: Ah, so, we should figure out what broke U-Boot functioning in agl then between point A and B | 15:14 |
| Tartarus | It's possible it was a meta-raspberrypi thing is we didn't pin stuff down well wrt layers out of our control | 15:14 |
| fury | sounds good :) well, it was working on the pi as of 5-29 (and i think the dab RC on 5-30) and it was broke as of 6-03 - i was in the middle of downloading the snapshots between those dates to try to narrow it down further but then they were deleted from the AGL download server :P | 15:15 |
| fury | and all that i replaced in the 6-03 build was the kernel7.img from the older build | 15:16 |
| fury | and it booted | 15:16 |
| fury | so i dunno if there's a way to examine every single git commit in the corresponding repos, but that was what i was aiming for - i just couldn't find a way to tell anything except for the gerrit changes submitted to the meta-agl layers | 15:17 |
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| akilaw | I booted core-image-minimal-qemux86-64-20170620141449.rootfs.ext4 image | 16:21 |
| akilaw | where can I find node_modules | 16:22 |
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| toscalix | This event that is currently taking place, is being a very good one, in my opinion http://www.autonomousvehicle-software.com/ | 16:25 |
| toscalix | dan made his point, I think | 16:25 |
| toscalix | good panellists, interesting talks.... a good one | 16:26 |
| toscalix | well organised | 16:26 |
| toscalix | good food, good venue | 16:26 |
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| * khilman trying to get a handle on sdcard_image-rpi.bbclass | 18:30 | |
| khilman | some of the options used for mcopy (-i -o) are not documented in the man page. Anyone know what those mean? | 18:31 |
| * mranostay waves to khilman | 18:32 | |
| * khilman waves back | 18:32 | |
| mranostay | khilman: short wave.. only 200 miles or so :P | 18:34 |
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| mranostay | khilman: question does an aarch64 build of rpi3 boot to HomeScreen? | 18:41 |
| JEEB | I thought the drivers weren't really all ready? although I guess SW rendering could be possible into a framebuffer | 18:41 |
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| mranostay | JEEB: heh painfully for sure | 18:42 |
| JEEB | although aarch64 seems to be "work complete" since March? https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1915 | 18:42 |
| JEEB | (granted, some patches were still in -next at that point) | 18:42 |
| khilman | mranostay: I have no idea, just trying to get the 64-bit kernel build part working. | 18:43 |
| JEEB | that should be possible with a recent enough kernel | 18:43 |
| khilman | being new to AGL, seems like a chicken-egg problem though to have to show that it boots to homescreen before merging patches to build it. | 18:44 |
| mranostay | khilman: no judgement just curious :) | 18:44 |
| khilman | just waiting for a full build to finish now so I can try to boot it and see what happens | 18:45 |
| JEEB | hmm, not sure which exact version and/or patch set gentoo is doing, but they say wifi,usb,ethernet,bluetooth,hw video (as in actual motion video decoding), sound over hdmi | 18:46 |
| JEEB | work | 18:46 |
| JEEB | which I guess is better than I expected with regards to video | 18:46 |
| khilman | mranostay: noob Q: what build/bitbake target is the right one to test if it "boots to homescreen"? agl-demo-platform? | 18:48 |
| JEEB | -18 | 18:49 |
| khilman | s/the right one/sufficient/ | 18:50 |
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| mranostay | khilman: yeah that is the target to build | 18:53 |
| khilman | ok, thx | 18:57 |
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| khilman | leon-anavi-cloud: Re: sdcard_image-rpi.bbclass I'm not seeing how it's used on the raspberrypi3 build. An sdcard image is not even generated for that build (no .rpi-sdimg) in tmp/deploy/images/raspberryp3/) | 19:43 |
| khilman | however, there is one generated for raspberrypi3-64 | 19:43 |
| mranostay | pretty sure it was the last time i built for rpi3 | 19:44 |
| khilman | latest build here: https://build.automotivelinux.org/job/ci-platform-meta-agl-verify-CIB-raspberrypi3/691/consoleFull | 19:44 |
| khilman | at the very end, you can see a list of files and there's not sdimg | 19:44 |
| smurray | that's kind of odd, I've always been using the sdcard image from my build on rpi3 | 19:57 |
| mranostay | smurray: wonder if leon-anavi-cloud's change broke something | 20:03 |
| smurray | mranostay: no idea | 20:04 |
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| khilman | I don't think it's leon-anavi-cloud's change because a local build of master branch doesn't produce an sdimg either | 20:18 |
| khilman | ah, guess I"m not the only one: https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-607 | 20:21 |
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| mranostay | interesting | 21:04 |
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| naicamine | If I have an ODB1 era truck, is there anything that AGL Linux would necessarily be useful to me for? | 22:34 |
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