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| leon-anavi | morning | 07:04 |
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| jbocklage | morning | 08:48 |
| jbocklage | I cannot find the CES 2017 AGL demo video with Dan... Can anyone point me to this video? | 08:49 |
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| * jbocklage123 found it (https://vimeo.com/198163241/8aba459409) | 09:02 | |
| jobol | jbocklage, great | 09:02 |
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| zeenix | hi everyone! | 10:13 |
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| wesam | good morning | 14:08 |
| wesam | I wanted to ask, for infotainment development, what do you think will be the most used programming language | 14:09 |
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| voltbit | hi, is there any ad-hoc network protocol curently used or proposed to be used in automotive industry? | 14:15 |
| CTtpollard | wesam: infotainment is a very broad stack, depends what you're wanting to develop | 14:25 |
| JEEB | if you talk about low-level multimedia you generally end up with something compiled (a lot of C/C++, some asm even) | 14:26 |
| JEEB | regarding interfaces pretty much anything can be used | 14:26 |
| CTtpollard | zeenix: I don't want any attacks if the released qemu image is broken for users on GDP12 :) | 14:34 |
| zeenix | CTtpollard: 12 is a month later | 14:35 |
| zeenix | hence i want to merge now :) | 14:36 |
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| wesam | JEEB: what about higher stack like music apps and such | 14:41 |
| JEEB | they usually have some multimedia framework (libav* , gstreamer) as the back-end and just have mappings against that back-end, so it really doesn't matter too much | 14:42 |
| JEEB | or heck, if you are full of processing power it could all be within chromium or something that would have the HTML5 video/audio support according to your configuration | 14:42 |
| * JEEB isn't too much into HTML5 based things but must say that getting capable HTML5/CSS/JS people tends to be simpler than people well versed in some of the non-webby alternatives | 14:43 | |
| wesam | oh you can just make a web based application and have it running on the car | 14:44 |
| wesam | but i thought web on cars is still not very well done | 14:45 |
| wesam | needs time to mature | 14:45 |
| CTtpollard | wesam: html5 / Qt5 are commonly used for oss automotive gui's | 14:48 |
| wesam | CTtpollard: correct me if I'm wrong but Qt is just a framework for C++ right? | 14:50 |
| CTtpollard | wesam: yes, for gui's. It has bindings for other languages such a Python too | 14:51 |
| JEEB | yes, it also contains a web view component. and then its own Qt Quick thing | 14:51 |
| wesam | so most applications use html5/Qt5 for GUI front end stuff | 14:51 |
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| wesam | oh ok, what about the backend for these applications, mainly c? | 14:52 |
| wesam | or could it be anything? | 14:52 |
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| CTtpollard | wesam: you could be futuristic & use rust/go/haskell | 14:55 |
| CTtpollard | just don't build rust packages in yocto, unless you want to sit around for ages | 14:55 |
| JEEB | rust looks cool and I've poked around it, but the stdlib is just surprisingly small | 14:56 |
| JEEB | so you end up having to compare dependencies and thinking if something is usable in production | 14:56 |
| JEEB | meanwhile golang I've written a few services in, and while the stdlib is far from perfect it's got a *very* wide-ranging stdlib, which does give it some ease of usage (kind of like python) | 14:57 |
| JEEB | I mean, I'm a big dummy but it was quite simple to create a web service that authenticates a HTTPS client against a user certificate being signed by the same CA that's configured on the service side :) | 14:58 |
| wesam | lol, i should really learn a functional language' | 15:00 |
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| JEEB | haskell is nice, did a course on it at university and a coworker at a previous job made a summer project in it :) | 15:01 |
| wesam | oh nice | 15:01 |
| wesam | i heard really good things on rust | 15:02 |
| wesam | btw, in the next couple years, what do you guys think people will be using for programming applications for infotainment | 15:03 |
| JEEB | rust as a language seems nice, but the ecosystem is not yet there IMHO | 15:03 |
| wesam | you thibk it will still mainly be c and c++ for backend with html/Qt5 for gui | 15:03 |
| JEEB | still too many things require *nightly* rust | 15:03 |
| JEEB | although 1.15 made that less than before | 15:04 |
| wesam | how old is that language? | 15:04 |
| JEEB | early 2010s I think | 15:04 |
| wesam | i have a friend buildinga a game engine with kotlin | 15:04 |
| JEEB | kotlin is a nice JVM language | 15:04 |
| wesam | wow that language new | 15:05 |
| * JEEB is developing an android thing with kotlin | 15:05 | |
| wesam | and ya, it looked pretty cool | 15:05 |
| wesam | oh nice, does it work well with android sdk? | 15:05 |
| JEEB | yes, it's just a thing on top of JVM after all | 15:06 |
| JEEB | "just" | 15:06 |
| JEEB | makes it much more sane compared to Java personally :) | 15:06 |
| wesam | true | 15:06 |
| wesam | hmm i should try learning it | 15:06 |
| JEEB | also kotlin can be inserted into a project little by little | 15:06 |
| wesam | i do a lot of java so it will be interesting | 15:06 |
| JEEB | you can start converting classes one by one or add a new in kotlin | 15:07 |
| JEEB | we still have one or two java classes in our android thing | 15:07 |
| wesam | so porting is easy | 15:07 |
| JEEB | the language is even newer than rust but it's by the guys behind the IDEA IDE | 15:07 |
| JEEB | and they really worked on the integration | 15:08 |
| wesam | oh really, i love intellij | 15:08 |
| JEEB | including "convert this code to kotlin" kind of thing, which mostly works | 15:08 |
| wesam | ya the language is only a few years old | 15:08 |
| wesam | is it fubctional? | 15:08 |
| JEEB | not in the sense that haskell is | 15:09 |
| JEEB | but it has a lot of stuff taken from those, just like many other languages nowadays | 15:09 |
| wesam | ahh ok | 15:11 |
| wesam | JEEB: in the next couple years, what do you guys think people will be using for programming applications for infotainment | 15:12 |
| wesam | you thibk it will still mainly be c and c++ for backend with html/Qt5 for gui | 15:12 |
| JEEB | I wouldn't dare to say anything about languages although for the lowest level you will need something compiled, and then for UIs those two will still be utilized | 15:13 |
| JEEB | not sure if anyone took HTML5-based UIs into production though | 15:14 |
| JEEB | they look really good in demos and you can use "normal" web developers to bring them up :D | 15:14 |
| wesam | what about stuff like map apps, voice assistants, and like other higher level apps | 15:15 |
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| wesam | does the apps built for the ces demo work? | 15:27 |
| wesam | if so, how can i add that package to my AGL build | 15:27 |
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| wesam | is there a sample of apps built for AGL? | 18:52 |
| wesam | or built on AGL? | 18:52 |
| JEEB | I'm not sure but as I think the public AGL stuff is just demo stuff I would be surprised if anyone wrote actual apps for the demo interfaces | 18:53 |
| wesam | if i want to build an app for AGL, would you recommend i build it natively or through something like SDL | 18:54 |
| wesam | should I build the app for mobile and then use SDL to get it on the dash board | 18:54 |
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