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| fury | only one way to find out, I guess :P | 01:12 |
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| fury | We built a custom carrier board around the Wandboard, because it had automotive temperature parts if I recall correctly, and an EDM connector design. AGL almost works on the Wandboard - graphics is sluggish and sound doesn't start up | 01:15 |
| fury | It's a shame it's like one of only two or three SOMs I could find with the connector. If only there were some kind of standard connector where we could pick the best SOM and drop it in the carrier board | 01:15 |
| fury | But as the saying goes... https://xkcd.com/927/ | 01:16 |
| fury | The Jetson TX1 kit looks pretty nice. $600 for the dev kit tho. $300 is only for the SOM card | 01:16 |
| fury | Neat thing about the Wandboard tho is the open source hardware design. It's all out there for you to use. Not sure if nvidia releases their schematics to the same degree | 01:28 |
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| dl9pf | morning | 07:44 |
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| jobol | hi | 08:34 |
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| leon-anavi | hi | 08:55 |
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| erbo | FYI: http://bugs.genivi.org/report.cgi seems to be down and it's listed in poky-ivi-systemd's CONNECTIVITY_CHECK_URIS which will cause bitbake to just hang for quite some time during startup. | 09:31 |
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| CTtpollard | murphy42: there's a quadcore turbot? | 10:41 |
| CTtpollard | murphy42: also the main problem with TK1 for AGL / GDP (using yocto) is that Nvidia do no provide a suitable bsp layer, with wayland | 10:42 |
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| jbocklage123 | Which one is the QualComm AGL reference board? 410c or 820something? | 12:47 |
| CTtpollard | 410c | 12:48 |
| CTtpollard | dragonboard | 12:48 |
| jbocklage123 | thanks | 12:48 |
| CTtpollard | have they released an 820? That'd be nice | 12:57 |
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| zeenix | Just to remind everyone here about GDP open weekly call today at 16:00. I'd link to my mail but genivi.org seems to be currently down | 14:40 |
| zeenix | 16:00 UTC | 14:41 |
| zeenix | https://genivi.webex.com/genivi/j.php?MTID=m2a4a435afb3fdb1846a62a8dfd544815 (Meeting number: 803 991 927) | 14:42 |
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| CTtpollard | eek, hope the actual mailman isn't down | 14:50 |
| fury | I wanna play with SmartDeviceLink | 15:03 |
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| jobol | fury, I wanna play with SmartDeviceLink too but ... let me know | 15:14 |
| fury | i just have like a million questions...is it being integrated into AGL, is it demoed in GDP | 15:16 |
| fury | is there an existing reference implementation for a head unit communicating with ios apps | 15:16 |
| fury | etc | 15:16 |
| fury | lol | 15:16 |
| fury | i guess that would be tricky to release cause NDA walls, but i know they're becoming more "open" to the idea of open, i know they got people playing around with the raspberry pi and linux stuff over there | 15:19 |
| fury | apple, that is | 15:19 |
| CTtpollard | GDP had some PoC work with Android Auto libraries a long time ago | 15:19 |
| fury | oh cool | 15:20 |
| fury | is that available for me to clone/build (barring the genivi.org outage) | 15:22 |
| fury | or does it take special hardware | 15:22 |
| CTtpollard | looks like the old git server is down as well, was trying to dig out the branch | 15:23 |
| CTtpollard | Just special blobs I think, runtimes iirc | 15:24 |
| mdp | fury, the apple mfi agreement that covers carplay doesn't permit an open implementation. at least according to our lawyer. | 15:32 |
| mdp | fwiw, for a non-production type demo quality android auto, https://github.com/mikereidis/headunit works pretty well. we used it for a demo on an i.mx6-based ivi system. | 15:32 |
| fury | kinda figured | 15:32 |
| fury | yeah, i think i saw your video of it on youtube :D was trying to figure out how to get it to compile and run but my box is missing something i guess, ./headunit wouldn't start | 15:33 |
| mdp | it's some pretty hacky code | 15:33 |
| mdp | fury: oh haha | 15:33 |
| fury | i wonder if it would be possible to do an "openish" implementation, i.e. mfi members get together and share their code? | 15:34 |
| mdp | fury, I can't recall the details of the manufacturer versus developer (or whatever it's called) license if that's possible. something along those lines is permitted between those under the agreement. | 15:36 |
| mdp | fury, I recall not being able to even show code to my customer for the authentication driver..only to the ODM that had the mfi manufacturer agreement in place. | 15:37 |
| fury | ack | 15:37 |
| mdp | IANAL ;) this stuff is sooo icky, I've tried to steer us away from dealing with all these proprietary things as much as possible. | 15:38 |
| fury | yeah. i am so in love with the open source philosophy, the community here has been so awesomely helpful to me and it's great to see everyone pitching in toward common goals. and then there's these isolated silos created by other companies where stuff is locked behind NDAs, and it's hard to even get two people locked in the same silo to talk to each other for | 15:42 |
| fury | fear of breaking some fine print clause | 15:42 |
| fury | google's product forums are an echo chamber of "how do i get this to work?" "oh, couldn't get this to work, i gave up years ago" and i don't know that 99% of the mfi members are even aware there's a discussion forum for members, but the 1% that do don't hardly talk there... and you hop on over to an open source channel like here or ##linux and it's all "hey | 15:44 |
| fury | come on in, the water's fine" | 15:44 |
| fury | "you want to set up a flux capacitor to do the heisenberg compensation? oh that's easy, just check out this wiki, run these terminal commands and in a couple hours magic happens, here's how you submit a change to contribute" | 15:46 |
| fury | :D | 15:46 |
| fury | i was enamored with SDL from the moment i saw it, i was just like "YES, i won't ever have to write in a support layer for each individual app i want to talk to" | 15:49 |
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| fury | well, that's the dream anyway :P | 15:50 |
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| mdp | my issue with SDL is that there's zero reason for app developers to support it...unless monetarily compensated for the effort to support SDL..as the market is way too small. | 15:51 |
| fury | chicken or the egg... market is too small because hardly any apps support it? | 15:52 |
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| murphy42 | i saw the responses to my questions, thanks guys | 15:57 |
| mdp | no, it means that supporting carplay and AA is a relatively trivial change in existing app code bases which then supports a huge amount of targets supporting CP and AA. | 15:57 |
| mdp | fury, in contrast, supporting SDL in an app is a change requiring adapting to SDL's standardized UI widgets and the amount of targets supporting SDL is very tiny compared to those supporting CP and AA | 15:58 |
| murphy42 | since the minnowboard is only preorder i might get the TX1 dev board for 300 (with student discount) and then get the minnow later | 15:59 |
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| murphy42 | TX1 doesnt seem like a bad buy even if i use it for something else | 16:00 |
| mdp | the edu discount is nice | 16:00 |
| murphy42 | yeah glad my GF is still in school lol | 16:00 |
| mdp | hehe, I like that my Uni lets us retain our .edu email forever. | 16:01 |
| mdp | still working on tk1 but when I need more gpu for my work I plan to get a tx1 | 16:01 |
| murphy42 | i could probably get an edu address since i work at a company where all of our clients are edu | 16:02 |
| murphy42 | we take payments for them | 16:02 |
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| fury | ergh. didn't know there was such a gap in the effort to adopt SDL vs. carplay/android auto. i guess it makes sense that the companies making the app SDK want to make it as easy as possible on app devs to adopt their pet platform. but then hiding the protocol for the other side of it, no good can come of that | 16:05 |
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| fury | i guess they want so badly to control the experience and prevent hackjobby implementations from sullying the name, but i would rather see a hackjobby implementation first hand and tinker around with it myself before bugging somebody about making a production quality product | 16:12 |
| smurray | I believe SDL came out of Ford, uptake will be slow | 16:15 |
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| murphy42 | what do you guys recommend to use for CAN bus connection? | 16:26 |
| murphy42 | http://copperhilltech.com/embedded-can-interfaces/ | 16:28 |
| murphy42 | https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13262 | 16:28 |
| murphy42 | also i think its awesome there is a whole forum for CAN hacking for Chrysler www.canhack.org | 16:32 |
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| murphy42 | its sad that we are moving away from such a fix it culture instead of focusing more on repair and replace | 16:50 |
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| RzR | murphy42, it depends on market, so on us in the end | 17:01 |
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| fury | how do you fix such integrated systems as we have today? I popped open an iPod touch years ago, was amazed by what I found. A PCB no bigger than my finger, a CPU the size of a fingernail, that was "the whole computer" | 17:03 |
| fury | I do miss the days when computers were 50 lbs, had a dozen wires coming out of them, and called up a phone number and screeched to connect to the internet...you could pretty much swap any part out for a bigger better one, within the same rough generation | 17:04 |
| fury | but consumers increasingly pay for small, light, thin stuff that "just works", and it's hard to make that when you are designing with the ability to swap parts in mind | 17:05 |
| fury | I don't know how to solder, but I know how to make bits and bytes do stuff on computers...that, software, is where the fix it culture is nowadays, I think | 17:09 |
| fury | The hardware may change, but you write something once (for Linux) and can run it on just about anything | 17:09 |
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| fury | I'm a fan of both camps, tho. I have the custom built PC with the top of the line graphics card that was outdated a few months later, I can easily throw in a new motherboard and CPU and get a 20-50% speed increase, or upgrade to a new SSD so I don't have to limit myself to 2 installed games | 17:26 |
| fury | and I also have an iMac that's been serving me for 5 years...everything except the Ethernet port works, which is a shocker considering the whole machine took a dive to the kitchen floor a while back... | 17:27 |
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| fury | I took a look at the repair guide for it, decided I'd rather let someone with more experience fix it for me, and went ahead and upgraded it to have a 256 GB SSD and a 3 TB hard drive while they were at it | 17:28 |
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| fury | I have repaired an iMac and a MacBook Air before, but those are tricky beasts to work with | 17:28 |
| fury | my car is a Ford, with the 8" MyFordTouch system. oh, how I wish I could fix that... | 17:32 |
| fury | for a while, I had shoehorned one of the radios I was working on at work into my car's sound system via the RCA input jacks (so my fancy MyFordTouch system was just a fancy aux in jack) | 17:36 |
| fury | it worked better for the few things I wanted my car's audio system to do, which is charge my phone, play audio from it, let me do Siri voice commands, and generally just stay out of the way otherwise | 17:36 |
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| murphy42 | fury i think thats the thing though | 17:49 |
| murphy42 | its a balance | 17:49 |
| murphy42 | you shouldnt just throw a whole computer away because its outdated | 17:50 |
| murphy42 | thats what makes me angry about apple right now | 17:50 |
| murphy42 | they keep making everything too integrated | 17:50 |
| murphy42 | so you can upgrade ram, processor etc | 17:50 |
| murphy42 | *cant rather | 17:51 |
| murphy42 | i guess you can say thats kind of why i bought a jeep | 17:52 |
| fury | can't upgrade the ram or processor in a phone, either...that's where they're headed, they been there for years with their phones and tablets, it's the natural conclusion for them to do it to their computers too | 17:53 |
| murphy42 | there is so many aftermarket and just community knowledge about it, it will last a long time | 17:53 |
| murphy42 | thats stupid though | 17:53 |
| murphy42 | who cares that my phone is 4 times after than last year | 17:53 |
| fury | but it's ok for them to make those computers, I just won't buy them (my 2010 iMac was the last one they made with DisplayPort input) | 17:53 |
| murphy42 | i still love macos | 17:54 |
| fury | It doubles as my PC and Xbox display | 17:54 |
| fury | and yeah, I like macOS better than Windows | 17:55 |
| murphy42 | i hate windows man | 17:57 |
| fury | still miffed that they took away the best feature, spaces & expose, and replaced it with the poor imitation, mission control | 17:57 |
| murphy42 | i almost threw a computer out the window the other day | 17:57 |
| murphy42 | i needed to upgrade a machine to 64bit and it wouldnt see the USB or let me format it | 17:58 |
| murphy42 | windows drive management SUCKS | 17:58 |
| murphy42 | it kept only seeing he efi partition | 17:58 |
| murphy42 | even thought i formatted it correctly on osx | 17:59 |
| fury | Windows, Mac, and Linux all find plenty of opportunities to piss me off these days, hehe | 18:01 |
| murphy42 | true | 18:02 |
| murphy42 | linux and osx just do it the least | 18:02 |
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| fury | I can not get a laptop running Ubuntu to hop across the building's various wifi access points (with the same SSID and WPA2 key), once I left range of it it'd just drop, and it would not connect to the next one until I deleted the network and reconnected (typing in the key again) | 18:04 |
| fury | so that laptop pretty much just sits in my office now | 18:04 |
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| murphy42 | try switching to debian :-p | 18:05 |
| murphy42 | i do a lot of CTF for fun and parrotOS is amazing | 18:05 |
| fury | when I set up the server at work that runs the website and redmine, I went with Debian. My past experience with Ubuntu server on my own web server has not been terribly great | 18:06 |
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| murphy42 | ubuntu is nice for quick setup but i feel like after that shit get hairy | 18:06 |
| fury | It is neat looking tho. The 20 core workstation we just got came with Ubuntu 14.04 on it, cause I figured midaswhale if Dell officially supports it, and it booted up with this nice video and a simple setup screen. Reminded me a lot of the way the Mac used to do the OOBE | 18:08 |
| fury | Back in 10.6 and earlier, Mac's first boot was a welcome video and simple setup screen...i want one of those for my car :P put the key in, boot up, your first experience is a nice little video that inspires awe and some tunes to guide your setup experience | 18:10 |
| murphy42 | dude yessss | 18:11 |
| murphy42 | i wish i could hurry up and get my hardware and get it connected to CAN so i can start testing | 18:13 |
| murphy42 | wrangler i dont know why there isnt more of a car hacking, car computer movement | 18:16 |
| murphy42 | wranglers have a lot of DIY folks | 18:17 |
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| fury | i either need to figure out how to cooperate with usbhid, or how to override usbhid to make sure my driver picks up the thing | 21:39 |
| fury | so far i'm not too sure about the latter. i could modprobe -r usbhid but then my mouse doesn't work on the machine i'm using to fiddle with stuff :P | 21:40 |
| fury | so i guess i gotta work with the hiddev that usbhid creates | 21:40 |
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| fury | can AGL and GDP share downloads and sstate? | 21:48 |
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