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| Shawn|4650M | howdy | 04:13 |
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| Shawn|4650M | can someone please help me figure out how to remove a side mirror base from the mirror gimbal? | 04:13 |
| Shawn|4650M | in a van side mirror | 04:13 |
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| erbo_ | Shawn|4650M: Just so you don't get your hope up, this is mainly a channel for software developers working with open source in the automotive industry. But maybe someone can help you out anyway :) | 06:23 |
| Shawn|4650M | i figured, though its the only hannel available | 06:24 |
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| toscalix | GDP image on RPi3 + Rpi 7" touchscreen working out of the box. This release is a significant step forward in bringing GDP to more developers https://plus.google.com/100294293046231438378/posts/VswzRuoW9d5 | 09:38 |
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| jani | do you guys use misra checks anywhere ? | 09:46 |
| rjek | MISRA is more for deeply embedded resource constrained devices like EMUs | 09:46 |
| jani | just wondering as i have some customer requests related to the topic.. | 09:49 |
| jani | emu as in trains or ? | 09:50 |
| rjek | engine management units | 09:51 |
| rjek | MISRA forbids some things that are basically essential for large complex media systems, such as dynamic memory allocation | 09:51 |
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| rjek | But on the other hand, your media player and satnav should never be in the situation where it is safety-critical | 09:52 |
| jani | indeed =) | 09:53 |
| jani | i do have the spec, main interest for the question was really about If the project here has had any requests for such and if yes, what sort of tooling .. | 09:54 |
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| toscalix | leon-anavi: what do you think about this https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/GDP-405 ? It is a request for gdp/master. Others feedback is welcome | 10:54 |
| leon-anavi | hi toscalix let me have a look, just a sec | 10:54 |
| leon-anavi | well, I am used to having a USB to serial cable on my desk for debugging | 10:56 |
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| toscalix | that is what CTtpollard said. My question is, as we become more popular, should we expect that everybody do the same? I am specially thinking about those who consume the images | 10:57 |
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| leon-anavi | May be this is not the case with app developers. I expect that some of them are not familiar with hardware and cables that much | 10:58 |
| leon-anavi | after all the UI expert is not supposed to have USB to serial cable, isn't he? :) | 10:58 |
| CTtpollard | I would expect anyone using GDP as a dev platform to have a usb-serial cable | 10:59 |
| toscalix | if that is the case, then we should state it that way | 10:59 |
| leon-anavi | on the other hand, in normal conditions, app developers would get their hands on the hardware when all low level stuff is working | 11:00 |
| toscalix | it should be clearly described in our docu | 11:00 |
| leon-anavi | toscalix, adding a note that it is recommended to own a USB to serial cable to the documents seems as an excellent proposition. | 11:00 |
| toscalix | I think it is a requirement that newbies to GDP will not assume by default and we are getting many of those | 11:00 |
| leon-anavi | yes | 11:01 |
| toscalix | So the approach can be.... keep the current boot process for MAster and change it for images | 11:01 |
| toscalix | or change it for everybody and provide a simple way to change it for those more involved in system dev | 11:02 |
| CTtpollard | It might be more verbose over hdmi btw | 11:02 |
| toscalix | what I do not see is the current behaviour as default for everybody | 11:02 |
| leon-anavi | logs on the screen are never as useful as logs in the command line so the USB to serial cable will remain very useful in any case :) | 11:02 |
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| toscalix | agree, but no logs at all when something goes wrong is the worst case for those who do not know and cannot know what has happened | 11:03 |
| leon-anavi | agree | 11:03 |
| toscalix | at the same time, having thse discussions mean that we have taken a small but significant step forward in how solild is the system we are providing :-) | 11:05 |
| leon-anavi | :) | 11:06 |
| leon-anavi | toscalix, apart from people like us who are contribution to the platform, what are the other users? Are there primary app developers? | 11:06 |
| toscalix | GENIVI Board has stated app devs as the main target for GDP | 11:07 |
| toscalix | so we will be complementing GDP with a SDK | 11:08 |
| leon-anavi | ok | 11:09 |
| toscalix | I expect some discussion at the GENIVI AMM on how to reach the target | 11:09 |
| toscalix | and what about other targets | 11:09 |
| leon-anavi | are the app developer supposed to bitbake GDP images on their own? | 11:09 |
| toscalix | no | 11:09 |
| leon-anavi | ok | 11:09 |
| toscalix | no yocto knowledge required | 11:10 |
| toscalix | images | 11:10 |
| leon-anavi | are you considering having multiple images, for example one with debug logs and another for demos? | 11:10 |
| toscalix | with the people involved we have, no | 11:11 |
| leon-anavi | for sure debug information is super important during development but it could be something annoying for a demo in front of managers :) | 11:12 |
| toscalix | agree | 11:12 |
| toscalix | rajm: I assume I should close https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/GDP-382 | 11:15 |
| rajm | do we need confirmation from chbae? - otherwise yes! | 11:18 |
| toscalix | ah, of course, dragonboard. Sorry. | 11:35 |
| toscalix | we will have confirmation today, I assume | 11:35 |
| rajm | we can ask him if her's at the weekly meeting | 11:37 |
| toscalix | agree | 11:37 |
| rajm | *he's | 11:37 |
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| leon-anavi | toscalix, I have added to the wiki article addition description to point out that I have tested GDP build with meta-rust on my PC with Ubuntu 16.04 and it was OK. | 13:07 |
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| pedroalvarez | may be a good idea to start recommending that version | 13:09 |
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| toscalix | ajam, thanks | 13:16 |
| toscalix | rajm: which Ubuntu version are we using internally? | 13:16 |
| toscalix | are we still stuck to 14.04? I remember we commented this topic on beta, maybe earlier. The idea was to start recommending 16.04 but we need to move ourselves as well, right? | 13:17 |
| rajm | We're still using 14.04 but I think we should consider migrating | 13:20 |
| toscalix | so another post-release task. I will open a ticket so we remember | 13:20 |
| rajm | Maybe I'll migrate my machine while you're at AMM (assuming things are quieter!!) | 13:21 |
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| toscalix | I am afraid that will not be the case | 13:21 |
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| chbae | hello | 13:25 |
| CTtpollard | hi there chbae | 13:26 |
| toscalix | rajm: https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/GDP-408 | 13:26 |
| toscalix | chbae: https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/GDP-407 | 13:27 |
| toscalix | please add there your ideas about the demo at ELCE | 13:27 |
| chbae | toscalix: I see. ok | 13:27 |
| chbae | toscalix: Where will you do demo? in booth or your presentation? | 13:28 |
| toscalix | presentation | 13:28 |
| toscalix | I was thinking on me introducing GDP. You do the demo in the background. Then you explain it | 13:28 |
| toscalix | and finally I talk a little more about GDP | 13:29 |
| toscalix | or something like that | 13:29 |
| rajm | toscalix - well I hope the first past of the UK working day will be quiet (unless I'm catching up) | 13:29 |
| rajm | *part | 13:29 |
| toscalix | rajm: that would be a good signal | 13:29 |
| chbae | yep. Will you bring rpi3+touch screen with GDP11 image? | 13:30 |
| toscalix | yes | 13:31 |
| toscalix | but maybe it is better to use master, if there is wifi. I will leave that to you | 13:31 |
| toscalix | I will take the current image | 13:31 |
| toscalix | but let me know if you want something newer | 13:32 |
| chbae | toscalix: ok. not now. | 13:32 |
| toscalix | I will also take the rpi3 and the touchscreen, yes | 13:32 |
| toscalix | in theory it will be the first time we show the release so the current image is enough | 13:33 |
| toscalix | at the AMM we will show the latest possible software | 13:34 |
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| chbae | toscalix: sure. it's good with new HMI in amm :) | 13:35 |
| toscalix | chbae: if we arrive on time ;-) | 13:36 |
| chbae | toscalix: yep. | 13:36 |
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| leon-anavi | jeremiah, there is a strange lag/delay when you are speaking in GDP open call | 15:19 |
| CTtpollard | I think the call is having issues in general | 15:23 |
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| jeremiah | Sorry about that leon-anavi, I've dropped and come back in. | 15:34 |
| jeremiah | Hopefully that is better | 15:34 |
| leon-anavi | now it is ok | 15:35 |
| jlrmagnus | jeremiah: Do you have any pointers to the ASIL work that Linux Foundation was doing? | 15:35 |
| leon-anavi | may be it was as CTtpollard said a general issue with the call | 15:35 |
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