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| leon-anavi | morning | 07:43 |
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| CTtpollard | hey leon-anavi, good break? | 07:44 |
| leon-anavi | hi CTtpollard yes, excellent :) how are you? | 07:44 |
| CTtpollard | leon-anavi: I'm good :) glad to hear it | 07:45 |
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| CTtpollard | leon-anavi: do you know if there's an issue with trying to use sed in do_install commands? | 08:03 |
| leon-anavi | no | 08:14 |
| CTtpollard | I've got sed claiming a sysroot file does not exist, but it does at the given path | 08:15 |
| CTtpollard | it's odd | 08:15 |
| leon-anavi | hm, sounds awkward | 08:15 |
| leon-anavi | could it be some kind of a race condition due to dependencies? | 08:15 |
| CTtpollard | it shouldn't be | 08:16 |
| leon-anavi | I did a grep on some existing meta layers on my drive and I noticed that sed is used in do_install | 08:24 |
| leon-anavi | for example: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-ti/tree/recipes-ti/ipc/ti-ipc_git.bb?h=master | 08:25 |
| CTtpollard | leon-anavi: hmm sed in the work dir before sending it to sysroot, that might be the trick | 08:28 |
| leon-anavi | sounds reasonable, is it working this way? | 08:28 |
| leon-anavi | I mean is it working in your particular case :) ? | 08:29 |
| CTtpollard | I've flipped it around now, testing | 08:30 |
| CTtpollard | leon-anavi: seems to have sorted it, one to remember :) | 08:37 |
| leon-anavi | cool :) | 08:37 |
| CTtpollard | shame it leads to qt5 rebuilding | 09:00 |
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| dl9pf | who's an gstreamer/multimedia expert ? | 10:52 |
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| gunnarx | indeed, who is... :) | 11:00 |
| gunnarx | There are people around, maybe not in the channel that often though. I know Collabora has some key gstreamer devs. Pelagicore should have someone, especially if in combination with Qt. Otherwise gstreamer mailing list I suppose. | 11:04 |
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| JEEB | dl9pf: if FFmpeg/Libav related knowledge is useful... :p | 12:14 |
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| dl9pf | JEEB: thanks for the offer, might ping ;) | 12:29 |
| JEEB | do note that I'm in japan on holiday right now so I am not as much around. but my irc client is. | 12:30 |
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| dl9pf | then enjoy your holiday ;) | 12:33 |
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| gunnarx | CTtpollard, I'll try the -sdk image, I didn't know there was a special one. Although, the errors actually come earlier, when building the normal image. | 12:51 |
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| gunnarx | morning jeremiah | 13:03 |
| jani | what sort of stuff is actually missing in the porter-nogfx images ? say, i do have porter running with e-linux with gfx, and there would be no binary incompatibilities, i'd get gfx still running ? | 13:15 |
| CTtpollard | what system? | 13:17 |
| jani | as in what i do currently run vs https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/snapshots/master/latest/porter-nogfx/deploy/images/porter/ ? | 13:17 |
| dl9pf | jani: graphic blobs | 13:18 |
| dl9pf | the above will only boot to console. | 13:18 |
| dl9pf | to have the UI, you'll have to follow the steps in the guide [1] and provide the binary tarballs from renesas website | 13:18 |
| dl9pf | [1]: https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/developer_resources | 13:19 |
| dl9pf | Follow the guid in https://wiki.automotivelinux.org/agl-distro/developer_resources#kickstart_20 | 13:20 |
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| dl9pf | jani: porter-nogfx only builds core-image-minimal 'aka' shell/console only. | 13:21 |
| jani | dl9pf: check .. thats basicly what i was after ..i was basicly just wondering if i could just try out the image for now and just drop my binaries to the card and expect wayland to boot. | 13:22 |
| jani | thanks | 13:23 |
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| dl9pf | jani: np, you're welcome. | 13:23 |
| dl9pf | jani: follow the guide. that will get you up and running. | 13:23 |
| CTtpollard | afaik you cannot add them to the image outside of bitbake | 13:25 |
| dl9pf | CTtpollard: no, that stuff wants to be built alongside your image | 13:27 |
| dl9pf | no "drop-in" solution of this :/ | 13:27 |
| CTtpollard | I know, it's why genivi don't distribute Renesas images also | 13:28 |
| radiofree | are the renesas drivers build-time dependencies as well? | 13:31 |
| * radiofree remembers the horrors of the i.mx6 vivante drivers | 13:31 | |
| CTtpollard | in their current implementation yes, afaik | 13:32 |
| CTtpollard | I hope at some point it could be switched to a simpler EULA (or not at all) | 13:33 |
| radiofree | switch to minnowboards or jetsons and just use mesa :) | 13:34 |
| radiofree | what backend are you using for weston in the qemu image? | 13:35 |
| radiofree | drm? | 13:35 |
| CTtpollard | fbdev | 13:36 |
| radiofree | you should probably switch to drm, enable DRM_CIRRUS_QEMU, DRM_BOCHS and DRM_VIRTIO_GPU as kernel modules, one of them will work | 13:37 |
| CTtpollard | currently using drm for the raspi (vc4) | 13:37 |
| radiofree | it will solve that "console text flashing/appearing over the hmi" issue | 13:37 |
| radiofree | if that's still there | 13:37 |
| CTtpollard | I believe that's gone with the current kernel / weston we're using rajm? | 13:39 |
| rajm | I'm not sure - I think it's gone - will try a little more testing, as it was hard to replicate it's difficult to be certain! | 13:42 |
| dl9pf | radiofree: vivante drivers ? references ? | 13:44 |
| radiofree | dl9pf: the egl header requires you to define things at compile time in order for it to work correctly | 13:44 |
| radiofree | e.g if you want Qt5 that works with wayland, you need -DLINUX -DWAYLAND etc... | 13:44 |
| radiofree | and then you symlink the libEGL to the relevant libEGL-foo | 13:45 |
| dl9pf | yep ... | 13:45 |
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| leon-anavi | radiofree, I also remember the horrors of i.mx6 vivante drivers with Wayland/Weston :) | 13:49 |
| leon-anavi | but... it works :) | 13:49 |
| leon-anavi | far better than the complete lack of proper GPU drivers for other boards. | 13:50 |
| CTtpollard | leon-anavi: the gfx performance has increased quite a bit on raspberrypi GDP since we updated to 4.4.13 last week, quite a few vc4 updates | 13:51 |
| leon-anavi | nice :) | 13:51 |
| leon-anavi | I am glad to hear it | 13:51 |
| CTtpollard | and now support for the dsi touchscreen with vc4, which chbae has sent a PR for | 13:52 |
| CTtpollard | anholt managed to upstream it | 13:52 |
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| leon-anavi | is this the problematic official 7" touch screen? | 13:55 |
| CTtpollard | yes :) | 13:55 |
| CTtpollard | it's not in meta-raspberrypi yet, so appending for now | 13:56 |
| CTtpollard | think it's in 4.4.16 upstream | 13:56 |
| leon-anavi | cool :) | 14:00 |
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| * gunnarx bookmarks today's log for good OpenGL info | 15:30 | |
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| reinar | CTtpollard: hi, coming back with questions, if you don't mind :) | 15:34 |
| CTtpollard | np reinar | 15:34 |
| reinar | so, AGL is actual infotainment system project and GenIVI is a foundation to cover open source automotive projects? | 15:35 |
| CTtpollard | very tricky question | 15:37 |
| paulsherwood | reinar: political hot potato, i'm afraid :) | 15:39 |
| reinar | paulsherwood: wow, didn't meant to raise any borderline questions, just honest interest from someone who found out about the projects very recently | 15:41 |
| paulsherwood | :) | 15:41 |
| * gunnarx quietly wonders what an "actual infotainment system project" means and in what context :) | 15:41 | |
| paulsherwood | reinar: ok, here goes. AGL is a LF project, aiming to be de-facto linux 'distro' for automotive | 15:41 |
| paulsherwood | so it's a sub-foundation of LF, with LF members contributing. | 15:42 |
| paulsherwood | GENIVI is an a foundation working on standards, specs and software for automotive. it has expressly avoided calling its work a 'distro' | 15:43 |
| paulsherwood | GENIVI pre-dates AGL. some companies/people contribute to both. there are some overlaps of choices | 15:44 |
| gunnarx | A foundation to cover open source automotive projects is not a bad description of GENIVI. | 15:44 |
| paulsherwood | agreed. | 15:44 |
| gunnarx | reiner: GENIVI works not only on creating software components for automotive, and a development platform (which admittedly is not unlike a distro I suppose...) | 15:45 |
| reinar | ah, I see. Got confused because of use of IVI abbreviation both on AGL and GenIVI foundation websites | 15:46 |
| gunnarx | ... but originally and perhaps what sets GENIVI apart: on a "mandatory" specifications that describe standards to unify multiple systems from multiple companies, in all the areas where standardization makes sense for those same member companies. (phew) | 15:46 |
| reinar | but as I understand both aimed for something more generic | 15:47 |
| gunnarx | Note "mandatory" in quotes ;-) Everyone does what they want, but you can choose to be GENIVI compliant. | 15:47 |
| paulsherwood | reinar: from a strictly engineering pov, folks here are active in both projects, and normally are quite collaborative and helpful | 15:47 |
| gunnarx | reinar, most of the stuff that is being created certainly fits well outside of Infotainment, yes. | 15:47 |
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| gunnarx | reinar, I apologize. Not sure why I did not TAB complete your name for correct spelling, heh :) | 15:48 |
| reinar | gunnarx: no problem :) | 15:49 |
| gunnarx | Guess I had our good friend Rainer in mind :) | 15:49 |
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| gunnarx | reinar, are you interested from "engineering point of view" ? Hopefully. | 15:50 |
| reinar | gunnarx: for sure. I'm working as software engineer in automotive myself (though relatively recently, had some experience with POS embedded before), and opensource automotive sounds great for me | 15:52 |
| gunnarx | Good. Then just dig in. If someone turns up because their boss requested them to write some report "comparing" different initiatives, IRC is likely not the place to get a full and balanced view, all I'm saying ;) | 15:53 |
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| reinar | no, not really, it's not work-related | 15:54 |
| gunnarx | alright | 15:56 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: are you saying my comments above were somewon unbalanced? i did my best :) | 15:57 |
| gunnarx | you did find paulsherwood | 15:57 |
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| gunnarx | fine! | 15:57 |
| reinar | thank you all, now it's a bit more clear | 16:02 |
| reinar | so, is GenIVI developing anything besides specifications, or they're limited to "reference implementations" and something like this? | 16:03 |
| gunnarx | yes! | 16:05 |
| paulsherwood | https://github.com/genivi | 16:05 |
| gunnarx | (and some projects still in transfer from https://git.projects.genivi.org) | 16:05 |
| paulsherwood | really? how hard can it be, really? | 16:07 |
| radiofree | has dlt been moved over? | 16:07 |
| gunnarx | :) | 16:07 |
| reinar | thanks | 16:07 |
| radiofree | i seem to remember coming across some passworded gitlab instance the last time i searched for dlt | 16:07 |
| gunnarx | paulsherwood: some company/ies have not bought into doing work directly on GitHub apparently. So there might be some mirroring and moving of code around. Just hang tight and we'll see how it gets arranged in the end. | 16:09 |
| gunnarx | radiofree: I think DLT is officially on git.projects still | 16:09 |
| radiofree | ah, ok | 16:11 |
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| gunnarx | CTtpollard, Did you reach a conclusion ultimately - why is quilt involved in the build? | 16:36 |
| gunnarx | drives me nuts this | 16:36 |
| gunnarx | Hmm, apparently netcat.... Well that's a useful thing to have. | 16:42 |
| radiofree | is that entirely some openembedded thing? | 16:44 |
| radiofree | https://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/106593/ | 16:44 |
| radiofree | patch it, put it in git, goodbye quilt? | 16:45 |
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| jeremiah | CTtpollard: I'm not sure if you saw these Tom: https://www.w3.org/2016/07/26-auto-minutes.html | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | Those are the minutes from the W3C / JLR / GENIVI face to face in PDX | 18:44 |
| jeremiah | The minutes from two other days are available there as well and they've been published to the wiki as well. | 18:45 |
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