| jeremiah_ | Hello good automotive types | 00:23 |
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| jeremiah | Sorry about git repo fetching issues, hopefully I didn't throw your work week into chaos with Yocto do_fetch errors | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | Things should be back to normal | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | Please let me know if that is not the case. | 00:24 |
| jeremiah | I'm gonna hang around her until Asia wakes up just to make sure everything is copacetic | 00:25 |
| jeremiah | s/her/here/ | 00:25 |
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| chbae | Hi jeremiah | 06:49 |
| c0rnel | jeremiah, everything looks fine now, thank you | 06:51 |
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| leon-anavi | morning | 08:11 |
| kbroulik | rajm: hi, toscalix told me, you could help me get started with the genivi qemu demo image. I want to evaluate to get KDE Plasma running on that thing but I'm such a noob, I cannot even get it to connect to the network :/ I tried creating a bridge with NM and dug through tons of wiki pages on qemu but alas, I failed | 08:12 |
| toscalix | morning | 08:13 |
| rajm | Hi kbroulik you're trying to get a build of the demo (you haven't added kde yet) to connect via ethernet to your net? | 08:16 |
| kbroulik | rajm: yeah, I just want to start the qemu demo thing (which I managed to do) to conenct to the network/internet | 08:16 |
| kbroulik | I tried some -net nic -net bridge,br=br0 and created a bridge in NM but somehow NM (at least kde plasma nm UI) cannot bridge to an existing connection or so | 08:17 |
| rajm | I've not tried networking from a qemu image myself is http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking any help or have you already seen that? Bit lower level than the NM | 08:21 |
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| rajm | kbroulik: Have tyou created a /etc/qemu/bridge.conf on the host? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/QEMU#Bridged_networking_using_qemu-bridge-helper | 08:27 |
| kbroulik | rajm: yeah I did allow br0 but the problem is probably creating the bridge in the first place | 08:29 |
| kbroulik | thx, I'll check your linux kvm networking page | 08:29 |
| rajm | ok let me know how it goes! | 08:30 |
| rdale | i'm impressed if you've built plasma in a qemu image | 08:30 |
| bshah | is qemu image armhf btw? | 08:31 |
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| kbroulik | rdale: I setup the qemu-ifup thing but + ip tuntap add tap0 mode tap user broulik | 08:38 |
| kbroulik | ioctl(TUNSETIFF): Device or resource busy ;( | 08:38 |
| rdale | i've never managed to get kvm/qemu working with bridged mode - i normally just have '-net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::5555-:22' which allows networking to the outside and an ssh connection to the vm | 08:39 |
| kbroulik | rdale: awesome! | 08:41 |
| kbroulik | now I have internetz | 08:41 |
| rajm | excellent! thanks rdale! | 08:43 |
| rdale | np - how did you build plasma then - i started looking at bit bake but it seemed a bit frightening? | 08:44 |
| kbroulik | I did not yet *g* I'm just getting started :/ | 08:46 |
| kbroulik | can I use my existing QtCreator to do cross compilation stuff? ie. separate Kit and what not, or do I need the special packaged one you provide? | 08:48 |
| rdale | we would need to cross compile with cmake for kde - can qt creator be set up to do that? | 08:51 |
| kbroulik | never tried. its cmake support is basic at best | 08:52 |
| rdale | yes - i use kdevelop with cmake projects. i think we would have to use the same genivi cross compiling tool chain | 08:53 |
| kbroulik | I use qmake in my company, so I just stick with QtCreator for everything :) | 08:54 |
| rdale | i found this page: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/kde/plasma-all.html | 08:57 |
| rdale | which has all the dependencies for plasma | 08:58 |
| rdale | then i looked at the bit bake build for qt5, and got scared! | 08:58 |
| gunnarx | what scared you, rdale? | 08:58 |
| rdale | it looked like a lot of work | 08:58 |
| gunnarx | typing bitbake? ;) | 08:59 |
| rdale | to build something as large as kde | 08:59 |
| gunnarx | a lot of work for the cpu and disk, that's for sure... | 08:59 |
| rdale | yes, and the build scripts | 08:59 |
| gunnarx | are you building kde in yocto? now that's impressive | 08:59 |
| rdale | but bitbake qt5 had some cmake stuff | 08:59 |
| gunnarx | better that than qmake ;) | 09:00 |
| rdale | well we haven't started - we're just trying to find out what is involved | 09:00 |
| gunnarx | interesting | 09:00 |
| gunnarx | is plasma written a lot in QML or mostly C++? | 09:01 |
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| rjek | From KDE's huge resource usage, you'd imagine QML :D | 09:01 |
| rdale | the kde frameworks and most of plasma are written in c++, and so most of the work is getting the cmake cross compile stuff to run | 09:02 |
| rdale | rjek: there is a plasma mobile project i believe amazingly enough | 09:02 |
| gunnarx | rjek, QML is mostly juggling a bunch of C++ objects ultimately - I don't think it adds much resource usage that isn't inherent in the task | 09:02 |
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| gunnarx | (but I have no data to support that) | 09:02 |
| rjek | gunnarx: My experience has different, but the experience is limited. | 09:02 |
| gunnarx | ok | 09:03 |
| rjek | rdale: I imagine only for mid- or top-tier phones? They have a lot of GPU and RAM these days | 09:03 |
| kbroulik | rjek: pff huge resource usage... | 09:03 |
| rdale | well i think it would run in a car ivi system | 09:03 |
| gunnarx | I'm sure it would | 09:03 |
| kbroulik | plasma can run on a Nexus 5 just fine | 09:03 |
| gunnarx | Great, then we'll get there in a few years in the car industry. ;) | 09:04 |
| kbroulik | :D | 09:04 |
| gunnarx | Just kidding! | 09:04 |
| gunnarx | We have pretty powerful hardware, that's not an issue IMO | 09:04 |
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| gunnarx | it's all about the software | 09:04 |
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| kbroulik | also, integrating kwin to run on genivi might be a challenge. but then, we only have a fullscreen surface (I suppose), so weston should™ work with that as well | 09:06 |
| rdale | does the plasma mobile project use wayland or is it x? | 09:07 |
| bshah | wayland | 09:07 |
| bshah | with libhybris | 09:07 |
| rdale | right so we wouldn't need libhybris, but whatever they did with wayland should be similar | 09:08 |
| kbroulik | you really dont want to run X on a phone *g* nokia did that and it was horrible :) | 09:08 |
| kbroulik | I mean, weston is already running there, so I suppose the driver stuff should already work? | 09:08 |
| rdale | well not compared with what they replaced it with | 09:08 |
| kbroulik | Windows Phone? :D | 09:08 |
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| rdale | just found this blog about why kwin doesn't use weston: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/03/why-dont-you-just/ | 09:11 |
| kbroulik | yeah I pity Martin. Whenever he implements something on Wayland it turns out Qt does it wrong and crashes/freezes/doesstupidthings | 09:11 |
| kbroulik | drag and drop? let's freeze the app! keyboard input? let's break modifiers! etc etc | 09:12 |
| rdale | we can worry about that if we ever get plasma built perhaps - i'm not a graphics expert but i get the impression that plasma would run with a non kwin wayland compositor | 09:15 |
| Tarnyko | rdale: interesting, thanks. Tbf, libweston is only being brought to release state lately, so maybe he could benefit from it - but he'd need to contribute then | 09:29 |
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| kbroulik | rdale: theoretically it should, Qt has wayland support. What we need kwin (or rather proprietary wayland protocols currently only kwin supports) for is positioning popups, tooltips and panels on screen (windows on wayland cannot position themselves, nor do they know where they are) and some other gimmics | 09:50 |
| kbroulik | none of which should be much of an issue on genivi | 09:50 |
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| fredcadete | a popup/noitification protocol would be useful in IVI even if it is not positionable by the application | 09:53 |
| rdale | kbroulik: thanks for the info - sounds encouraging | 09:56 |
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| dl9pf1 | kooltux: ping | 11:23 |
| dl9pf1 | kooltux__: ping | 11:25 |
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| jeremiah | From what I understand Qt wants to rid itself of X and Wayland entirely. | 13:18 |
| rjek | jeremiah: They're dropping targeting UNIX desktops? | 13:23 |
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| rdale | Qt use platform dependent plugins to handle differences between X and Wayland but as far as I know they have no plans to drop doing that | 14:00 |
| radiofree | this qt automotive stuff ditches weston, however it's still a wayland compositor right? | 14:03 |
| gunnarx | radiofree, as far as I know, yes. I can't imagine much advantage in creating yet a new protocol between app and display server. | 14:05 |
| leon-anavi | radiofree, gunnarx according to Qt blog post their automotive suite provides Wayland support with Qt Wayland Compositor: https://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/06/08/announcing-the-qt-automotive-suite/ | 14:06 |
| gunnarx | yes. | 14:07 |
| gunnarx | weston is typically replaced by a Qt based wayland compositor | 14:07 |
| leon-anavi | according to the same article Qt Wayland Compositor is based on Qt 5.7... this might lead to a license issues with GPLv3 | 14:08 |
| gunnarx | radiofree, sorry for repeating what you already said :) | 14:13 |
| jbocklage | is it possible to create my own jenkins build job on the AGL build server? | 14:17 |
| gunnarx | jbocklage, you can use go.genivi.org otherwise :) | 14:36 |
| jbocklage | nice! thx! | 14:36 |
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| gunnarx | It's open for all. We're suffering from a bit low capacity which should be fixed soon I hope. | 14:37 |
| gunnarx | Until then it might depend how big the builds are... :) | 14:38 |
| * jbocklage is diggin' my mails for my genivi account ;) | 14:39 | |
| gunnarx | Yes, it's all documented. Follow the link on the login page. | 14:41 |
| jbocklage | sent my pub key as IRC query... | 14:46 |
| gunnarx | yup, I saw it now | 14:46 |
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| chbae | Hi jeremiah | 14:56 |
| chbae | Hi toscalix | 14:56 |
| toscalix | chbae: hi | 14:56 |
| toscalix | git is up | 14:56 |
| chbae | yes. I see | 14:56 |
| toscalix | rajm: will contact you about the PR he sent for Faytech monitor | 14:57 |
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| chbae | yes he requested PR in wrong location (https://github.com/RobertAJMarshall/meta-genivi-dev/pull/1 ) | 14:59 |
| chbae | but I gave some comment in there. | 14:59 |
| chbae | toscalix: for GDP (only for meta-genivi-dev), we need to create two more repo in github. | 15:00 |
| chbae | Can I? or Should I wait until those repo are created in github. | 15:01 |
| chbae | also wayland-ivi-extension repo is created in github but git tags are not existed in the github repo. | 15:03 |
| rajm | chbae: I've pm'ed you with some issues relating to that PR | 15:03 |
| chbae | Hi rajm | 15:04 |
| chbae | please request PR to github.com/genivi :) | 15:04 |
| rajm | ok, can you see the PM dialog? | 15:05 |
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| chbae | rajm: sorry what is PM diaglog? | 15:06 |
| rajm | I've opened a dialog window (at least in XChat) | 15:09 |
| rajm | and added a comment to the original PR asking whether to merge my change into 0002 or replace 0002 and 0003 with a new patch | 15:11 |
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| chbae | rajm: yes. I added my comment | 15:16 |
| rajm | :-) | 15:17 |
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| rajm | another reason I wanted 2 files was because of the prolog 2 the 002 patch (not ready for upstream) or should that apply equally to the new one or does that fact that its in the repos mean we don't care? | 15:24 |
| gunnarx | For using repo on go.genivi.org I'd suggest just downloading it using curl (as google suggests) and then calling it from the build script | 15:24 |
| gunnarx | ^^ because I got a question if repo was available | 15:25 |
| gunnarx | However, I would assume you'd still want to define relevant git materials, so that builds are triggered whenever something new appears on those git repositories... How to use repo to track updates on repositories I'm not sure. | 15:26 |
| gunnarx | I suppose tracking the repo that has the manifest is equivalent to tracking the parent project with git-submodules as we do for GDP. | 15:26 |
| gunnarx | We like submodules in GENIVI :) Well some of us do... :) | 15:26 |
| chbae | rajm: if we created new patch, it’s hard to manage it. So I suggest it uses only a patch. | 15:32 |
| chbae | ramjm: one issue is fine to use a patch. that’s my opinion. | 15:33 |
| rajm | I'm not clear what you mean are you saying the original patch and my one are really one issue? | 15:33 |
| chbae | rajm: that’s to fix faytech monitor issue. | 15:34 |
| chbae | rajm: So it’s one issue in my view. | 15:34 |
| rajm | ok I will adjust my commit appropriately and then push | 15:35 |
| chbae | rajm: thanks | 15:35 |
| rajm | chbae: prob be tomorrow now... good night! | 15:36 |
| chbae | rajm: ok. | 15:36 |
| gunnarx | rajm, when chbae works later than you something is wrong, considering time zones ;-) | 15:39 |
| gunnarx | right? or am I misinformed... | 15:40 |
| rajm | prob so! my excuse is that I don't work from home! | 15:41 |
| toscalix | rajm: I think that gunnarx was more thinking about chbae :-) | 15:42 |
| toscalix | which seem to be a vampire | 15:42 |
| toscalix | :-) | 15:42 |
| chbae | :) | 15:42 |
| gunnarx | stay away from the light, chbae | 15:43 |
| chbae | I’m fine. This is my GENIVI enjoyment time :) | 15:43 |
| chbae | gunnarx: thanks for your consideration | 15:44 |
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| chbae | I can’t work officialy at my office. So now(every night) I can follow up the genivi. | 15:46 |
| toscalix | you must be doing a really key work at your company.... | 15:48 |
| toscalix | meanwhile.... it seems that Faytech monitors should not be an issue any longer | 15:48 |
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| chbae | toscalix: :) | 15:54 |
| toscalix | ...until the next update, obviosuly | 15:54 |
| toscalix | :-) | 15:54 |
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| chbae | toscalix: if you have any extra time, please check my jira access to add watcher. That’s not urgent issue. | 16:13 |
| toscalix | I did three or four days ago when adding some links to GDP project in JIRA | 16:14 |
| toscalix | I have a few min. now.... | 16:14 |
| toscalix | the only option seems to be through a free plugin | 16:18 |
| toscalix | called autowatch | 16:18 |
| toscalix | or another one called Watcher Custom Field | 16:20 |
| chbae | hum.. | 16:20 |
| toscalix | That is the result of my searching | 16:20 |
| toscalix | tHEN i WENT THROUGH THE SCREEN CONFIG AND i DID NOT FIND A SOLUTION | 16:21 |
| toscalix | UPS SORRY | 16:21 |
| toscalix | sorry | 16:21 |
| chbae | NP. | 16:21 |
| toscalix | chbae: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-5493 | 16:22 |
| chbae | toscalix: ok. | 16:24 |
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