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CTtpollardhi o/07:11
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CTtpollardpipelines failed again due to the same error07:35
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toscalixrajm: we have a comment in
toscalixdo you know the anwer to the issue?08:00
toscalixor CTtpollard?08:00
toscalixif not, let's see if chbae can help later08:00
CTtpollardchecking now08:01
CTtpollardhmm, nothing wrong with that fetch here08:02
toscalixI wonder if we should include in every target board wiki page the link to the mailing list and a refrence to the IRC channel08:02
rajmWorked for me yesterday too08:04
CTtpollardgit clone git://;branch=5.4 works fine, may have been a network hiccup at either end08:04
pedroalvarezCTtpollard: same error after cleaning the sstate? all of them?08:09
CTtpollardpedroalvarez: it seems that it manages to build it once from clean (I did porter first) and then fails subsequently with the same error, however they're all red right now but that's due to it being the parallel PR problem08:10
* paulsherwood wonders what 'cleaning sstate' means08:12
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pedroalvarezremoving the contents of the sstate folder. I would compare it to the artifact cache folder in baserock, but is not quite the same08:15
toscalixCTtpollard: any news about Silk I should report about?
toscalixor is the ticket up to date?08:16
CTtpollardlet me take a look08:17
CTtpollardtoscalix: updated08:18
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leon-anavihi yannick__, how are you?10:01
yannick__hi leon-anavi : i am fine thanks, and you ? was your trip back smooth ?10:07
leon-anaviyes, I am working hard on OSTree right now10:08
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leon-anavithere are still a lot of things related to OSTree that I need to find out10:08
leon-anavihow was your vacation?10:08
yannick__great thanks, quite a hard walk (some climbing at some point), but enjoyable. Now, I am currently diving inside the TEE API and looking for a signature check mechanism.10:10
yannick__i do not look ostree yet, but saw your gerrit proposal and have look asap. interaction between ostree<->optee is an open point10:13
yannick__also, that's great that linaro guy publish some recipes and plan to maintain op-tee.10:14
leon-anavimy patches add a Yocto/OE recipe for building the latest version of OSTree and its dependencies to AGL.10:15
leon-anaviright now I am exploring how to adapt AGL to OSTree based system.10:15
leon-anaviI have already read several times the appropriate chapter from the official documentation, tried out GNOME continuous in a virtual machine and I looked for hints in the source code of OSTree test.10:16
leon-anaviI need more info for OSTree therefore earlier today I wrote to their mailing list.10:16
yannick__leon-anavi, ok, could you please share the pointer to their list?10:17
leon-anavihere is my message to their mailing list:
yannick__ok, thanks10:18
yannick__leon-anavi, i must go now but will go on these this afternoon. see u, thx10:20
leon-anaviok, see you10:21
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leon-anaviI'm a bit late for the GDP open call, joining in a min15:05
toscalixleon-anavi: we are done. The shortest one in a long time15:22
toscalixsince a big bunch of work this week was related with CI and tom pollard is not available15:23
leon-anaviyes, I missed just 5 min so I was there for the rest 15 min ;)15:24
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RzRtoscalix, "Please remember that today's meeting will take place through IRC." good15:52
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toscalixRzR: hi16:01
toscalix1 min late16:01
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toscalix=== GENIVI Tools Team Meeting starts ==16:02
toscalix* IT status report (Nicolas 10 min)16:02
toscalix* Git mirror status report (Jeremiah - 5 min)16:02
toscalix* next steps (15 min)16:02
toscalix* Update on the following tasks (In review / in progress): (10 min)16:02
toscalix** Gianpaolo: Tool 23, 5116:02
toscalix** Helmut: Tool 4816:02
toscalix** Gunnar: Tool 74, 7716:02
toscalix* AOB16:02
toscalixGunnar, Gianpaolo and Klaus will not attend16:02
* toscalix here16:03
toscalixjeremiah: steve_l ?16:03
toscalixRzR: ?16:03
toscalixhummm I hope I am not the only one missing in Webex call :-)16:04
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toscalixphilrob: ?16:05
philrobdo we do webex or irc ?16:05
toscalixIRC today16:05
jeremiahYeah, some of us are on Webex already16:05
toscalixah, ok, I am fine with moving to webex16:06
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jeremiahOkay, we'll come to IRC now16:06
steve_ltoscalix: I'm just lurking in case I'm asked something, else much to do this week :)16:06
gunnarxWho is participating?16:07
toscalixParticipants: jeremiah steve_l gunnarx /me16:07
gunnarxI know jeremiah toscalix philrob Nick myself, steve_l, ...16:07
toscalixNicholas is not here16:08
gunnarxNo klausb...16:08
toscalixnot today, family issues16:08
toscalixso Gianpaolo16:08
toscalixLet's start16:08
gunnarxso=also in spanish, fyi16:08
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gunnarxAny lurkers feel free to jump in of course.16:09
toscalixWe skip Nicholas report16:09
toscalixof course16:09
gunnarxOK we do it quick and dirty today then?16:09
toscalixGit Mirror status16:09
toscalixjeremiah: ?16:09
jeremiahtoscalix: Can we view TOOL 79?16:09
jeremiahThat has the latest status of git mirror16:09
* gunnarx viewing tool7916:09
toscalixplease all read Tool-79
toscalixJeremiah has added a comment16:10
toscalixjeremiah: should I add this into the description?16:10
toscalixthe comment, I mean16:10
toscalixthe current one is out of date, I guess16:10
jeremiahIf we have consensus around the scope then yes. :-)16:10
jeremiahWhat I think is important is that we're explicitly saying that issue tracking and other GENIVI services that already exist16:11
jeremiahare out of scope16:11
jeremiahThis is so we do not have multiple locations where people are doing work.16:11
gunnarxBut it also deals with two issues?  One is mirroring GENIVI s/w, another is full Yocto build mirror16:11
jeremiahYes, I added that since that was part of the original mirror scope, no?16:12
gunnarxWe never decided I think.16:12
gunnarxI guess it's OK but I'm just concerned the big scope will delay the smaller one.16:12
jeremiahI see having yocto sources and GENIVI sources on the same machine as a benefit16:12
gunnarxIs Nick here?16:12
jeremiahIt should increase build speed and limit build errors16:13
gunnarxIt "should" yes :)16:13
jeremiahat least fetching errors16:13
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gunnarxFair enough, let's assume it does.16:13
toscalixwe can go first for GENIVI mirroring and then...the rest16:13
gunnarxGood.  I propose split it in two JIRA issues (can't believe I suggest that :-)16:14
gunnarxApparently steve_l had some fetching errors today from GitHub of all places.16:14
toscalixI am interested in testing how much time we save16:14
gunnarxWell who is "we"16:14
toscalixlet's remember that in a glovbal project, the concept of "mirroring at night" is tricky16:14
jeremiahI think then we have a bit of consensus on the scope in any case?16:15
toscalixyes from me16:15
jeremiahThen we can take up the issue of what is the best fit16:15
gunnarxtoscalix, I'm not sure this is the time to open up the whole debate again.  But if you mean the Go CD builds, they need to have reliable local caching of sources also.16:15
jeremiahDo they?16:15
jeremiahThat sounds quite useful then16:15
gunnarxI think they need that yes16:15
jeremiahPerhaps we remove the idea of hosting upstream sources from the scope then if it is already in Go.CD16:15
gunnarxAs of now we are keeping DL_DIR shared on each agent16:16
toscalixI hope "official agents" are also hosted in the new infra16:16
gunnarxIt's not precisely the same, I'm just saying we will save time in other ways.16:16
gunnarxIn terms of availability, there is nothing wrong with another mirror of course.16:16
gunnarxI'd split the item though, one is more urgent.16:16
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toscalixif anybody opposes, please speak up now16:17
jeremiahYes, the most urgent is getting git repos in place on the PDX machine16:17
gunnarxpavelk, are you opposed to this ?  :-D16:17
toscalixgunnarx: we can do that as subtasks16:17
pavelkgunnarx: sure16:17
gunnarxpavelk just joined and needs to be part of the decision :)16:17
gunnarxOK, set up the subtasks16:17
gunnarxI think to actually progress this we need Nick's input.   Where are we today, what's the time plan?16:18
jeremiahToday Nick is planning the moving of git repos16:18
steve_lmanual git clones of poky are very slow as well so my probs may be local/network16:18
toscalixShould we move on?16:18
jeremiahThe plan is for he and I to begin physically moving source code from LF to PDF16:18
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toscalixNext topic: next steps16:19
gunnarxtoscalix, Nick was on the WebEx call just now which we killed and moved here.  For next time can you check that he can/will join IRC?16:19
gunnarxIs Roguewave here? :)16:19
toscalixI will16:19
toscalixAfter the intro, I have to come back to them with the next steps16:20
gunnarxLast week's "sales pitch" was totally unexpected for me, tbh16:20
jeremiahMe too16:20
toscalixSo I would like to read your opinion on the tool and how to move forward16:20
gunnarxhave we had any discussion to manage expectations with them?16:20
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toscalixgunnarx: no16:21
gunnarxI think they should sponsor usage for GENIVI code.  That's what other typical companies do.16:21
gunnarxIn return they get exposure and contact with member companies16:21
jeremiahIs their tool designed to replace coverity and/or Black Duck's scanning?16:21
gunnarxI'm sure they would claim they are not the same of course ;-)16:21
philrobwhy do we want to change coverity ? is it not available anymore ?16:22
toscalixwe do not16:22
gunnarxnot change but complement perhaps?16:22
philrobdo we still use coverity ?16:22
jeremiahAh, these folks make klocwork16:23
pavelkphilrob: coverity is free for foss projects16:23
toscalixThe idea of this action is to evaluate if the tool can be useful for GENIVI and/or Members16:23
toscalixif it to proceed16:23
gunnarxphilrob, only partly, not consistently16:23
gunnarxtoscalix, if you give me the contacts and if you want, I can draft up a suggestion for how they can engage16:23
gunnarx(via email)16:23
philrobgunnarx: thx for answering my question16:23
pavelklast time they tried, klockwork was very cumbersome to use with GENIVI components16:23
gunnarxhow long was it ago pavelk?16:23
toscalixgunnarx: fine with me16:24
gunnarxI also had some vague feeling we have tried it before16:24
jeremiahAnd I wonder how big the delta is between klockwork and coverity.16:24
toscalixAction: Agustin will provide gunnarx contacts from Roguewave16:24
jeremiahWhat do they do that coverity doesn't?16:24
pavelkI never managed to get any kind of comparison between the tools16:24
toscalixjeremiah: we can ask them by mail16:24
gunnarxjeremiah, the more the merrier I'd say.16:24
gunnarxWhen it comes to code quality I am insatiable16:25
toscalixjeremiah: can you provide me questions you have and I will ask them?16:25
toscalixthe same applies to all of you16:25
jeremiahWell, I've asked everything I am qualified to ask. :-)16:25
RzRclang also have a static analyzer16:26
jeremiahThe rest is up to the code quality fanatics16:26
toscalixok then16:26
pavelkjeremiah: welcome to automotive :-)16:26
jeremiahYeah, we use clang's analyzer at work16:26
gunnarx+1 RzR16:26
jeremiahEngineers love clang tools16:26
gunnarxand a code formatter.... :)16:26
jeremiahpavelk: :-)16:26
philrobwhat about cpplint ?16:26
gunnarxjeremiah, and free-software geeks despise them ;-)16:27
toscalixI have no other topics beyond the current tasks In progress or In Review state16:27
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jeremiahgunnarx: which is why I have to shut up now.16:27
gunnarxyes let's drop that line of discussion for now16:27
toscalixgunnarx: sent me a review of his....pasting here16:27
toscalixTool-74 (point Go pipelines to to GitHub) :16:28
gunnarxdon't paste me bro16:28
toscalix- No more to do for me right now.  All pipelines that CAN be moved are16:28
toscalixmoved.  I am now waiting only for the remaining projects to move their code16:28
toscalixto GitHub before they can also be handled.16:28
toscalixTherefore I reassigned it to Jeremiah to move that forward.16:28
toscalixTool-77 (Integrate Go and GitHub (pull-requests)):16:28
toscalix- Done.  I don't think I have more to do right now - I have therefore set the16:28
toscalixissue to Review and assigned Tom as responsible for it.  You mentioned this16:28
toscalixmorning there is some feedback from the GDP maintainers, so I suppose we16:28
jeremiahHas anyone used cpplint? I think that actually might be relevant for GENIVI code since we use a lot of C++16:28
toscalixwill have that discussion today.16:28
toscalixtasks, only tasks16:28
toscalixGianpaolo and Helmut are absent so no report from them16:28
toscalixAny question about gunnarx 's report?16:29
philrobjeremiah: thanks for acknowledging my question on cpplint :-)16:29
toscalixYom and Pedro couldn't make it for the GDP call. We will report about Tool-77 next Wed16:29
jeremiahphilrob: Hopefully some experts can chime in here too. :)16:30
toscalixups philrob I am ignoring you today16:30
toscalixnot intentionally, promess16:30
toscalixNo questions...16:30
* jeremiah o_O16:30
toscalixAny other task you want to talk about before AOB ?16:31
gunnarxLet me know when you want to discuss Tool-7716:31
toscalixI will16:31
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RzRis upgrade to gcc6 planned ?16:32
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gunnarxI doubt it :)16:32
toscalixRzR: we are a direvative so.....16:32
jeremiahWon't that come when poky decides to update?16:32
jeremiahGDP=poky + GENIVI source code16:33
gunnarx"is upgrade to clang planned" ?   FTFY16:33
toscalixnext meeting through webex16:33
gunnarxcool, webex that proprietary designer drug we can't live without....16:34
jeremiahIRC is dying, let's move to slack16:34
gunnarxas in the Linux distro?16:34
toscalixjeremiah: github, slack... we will look like web developers16:35
gunnarxGod help us16:35
toscalixIRC is more fun than webex16:35
toscalixok, no AOB?16:35
gunnarxI'm gonna be a web developer some day.  Wear shorts and hawaiian shirt to work.16:36
philrobthis is what I wear in LR16:36
toscalix== GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Ends ==16:36
jeremiahThe good thing about web development is that you can do it naked16:36
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gunnarxphilrob, :)16:36
gunnarxPouring rain outside.  Time to walk to the car.  :-/16:37
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jeremiahSuper nice here.16:37
* steve_l the mid soap16:38
* steve_l *mind* jezuss16:38
* gunnarx is looking up "vigoursely" on merriam-webster16:38
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jeremiahI thought you mean "rubs vigourously with mild soap."16:39
gunnarx"Mind Jesus" is my Guru too, what a coincidence.16:39
* steve_l lol stroke16:39
jeremiahWhich is okay too16:39
jeremiahEither that or your keyboard is sticky16:39
gunnarxOff to the rain.  I am stoked.16:39
steve_lSo you should be16:40
jeremiahI'd say "stay dry" but that's impossible in Gothenburg16:40
gunnarxShouldn't be in June, but I guess it's global warming16:40
steve_lI just found a colleague is downling 7Gbs of Android crap, I mean source. So I suspect that was the cause of the access issues I reported on genivi-projects16:41
jeremiahWe he using you're only internet connection?16:42
steve_lFrom the build server yes. It seems the QoS could do with some attention!16:44
gunnarx...damned Android hooligans16:55
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jeremiahohai ncontino_!16:57
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steve_lI know. If I want Android in my car I can tape a tablet to the dash ;)16:59
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