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| Tarnyko | morning ! | 09:09 |
| fredcadete | good morning | 09:16 |
| toscalix | good morning | 09:29 |
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| paulsherwood | GENIVI Tools Team Meeting will start here in 15 minutes... | 13:44 |
| paulsherwood | (if folks haven't snuck off on holiday already) | 13:44 |
| gunnarx | Apologies, I can't attend today | 13:46 |
| gunnarx | "F2F week" has started... | 13:47 |
| paulsherwood | ack | 13:47 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: any stuff you want us to act/react on? | 13:48 |
| paulsherwood | (while you're here) | 13:48 |
| gunnarx | Please read and contribute to https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/TOOL/Go+Continuous+Integration+Server | 13:48 |
| gunnarx | encourage people to request accounts and add pipelines, for example just building individual components | 13:49 |
| gunnarx | have to go, sorry | 13:49 |
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| paulsherwood | tvm | 13:57 |
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Starts == | 14:00 |
| paulsherwood | any takers? | 14:00 |
| klausbirken | hi | 14:00 |
| * toscalix here | 14:00 | |
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| paulsherwood | ho chaps | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | ho ho ho :) | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | so gunnarx cannot attend | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | but i note his request above wrt https://at.projects.genivi.org/wiki/display/TOOL/Go+Continuous+Integration+Server | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: are you already acting on that? | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | any update to report here? | 14:02 |
| toscalix | hi, yes | 14:03 |
| toscalix | we are currently deploying | 14:03 |
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| toscalix | if everything works fine, we will be done today | 14:03 |
| paulsherwood | great | 14:03 |
| paulsherwood | i notice that go.genivi.org leads to a login. is there anythign public, without logging in? | 14:04 |
| toscalix | paulsherwood: I cannot answer that | 14:04 |
| paulsherwood | ok | 14:04 |
| paulsherwood | well let's get to our normal agenda... | 14:04 |
| paulsherwood | - Build Tools - | 14:05 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: do you have any news on this? | 14:05 |
| klausbirken | no, I don't… | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | i think this is normally where we talk abouty franca, ionas etc | 14:06 |
| klausbirken | I didn't have time to look at the latest install_automation stuff | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | ah, ok | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: i'm not sure did we actually create anything in jira for this? | 14:06 |
| klausbirken | yes, there are some items in jira | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | ack... i now remember https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/TOOL-6 | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | but that discussion happened i think | 14:07 |
| klausbirken | yes, item 6 | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | what's the best way to keep this alive, without drowning you or anyone in tickets? | 14:07 |
| klausbirken | it's fine if the relevant tickets are assigned on myself, let me check which ones are currently assigned | 14:08 |
| paulsherwood | ok | 14:08 |
| klausbirken | well, there seems to be none of the tickets allocated on my account :-) | 14:10 |
| klausbirken | so I am out :-) | 14:10 |
| paulsherwood | anyone else have topics for build-tools? | 14:10 |
| toscalix | _o_ | 14:10 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: i'm going to reassign 6 to you, if that's ok? | 14:10 |
| klausbirken | yes, that's fine | 14:10 |
| paulsherwood | tvm :) | 14:10 |
| paulsherwood | iirc the basic question is whether install_automation could be adopted into franca upstream, or if it makes sense to make it official in some other way | 14:11 |
| paulsherwood | ok, moving on | 14:11 |
| paulsherwood | - UML Modeling - | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | i believe this is being disucssed at the F2F | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | last week i asked if genivi could consider using plantuml, for example | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | any comments wrt uml here? | 14:12 |
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| klausbirken | tomorrow morning there is a big CommonAPI session at the F2F | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: ack. are you attending? | 14:13 |
| klausbirken | I will attend tomorrow (remotely, not F2F) | 14:13 |
| paulsherwood | ok | 14:13 |
| paulsherwood | my main worry is that most of that content will probably have to remain private | 14:13 |
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| paulsherwood | klausbirken: would you be willing to ask the attendees if the content can be published or at least summarised in public? | 14:14 |
| klausbirken | yes, I'll do this | 14:14 |
| paulsherwood | great, thanks | 14:14 |
| paulsherwood | ok shall we move on to debug + analysis? | 14:14 |
| klausbirken | BTW, if someone is interested modeling software with statecharts in conjunction with Franca interfaces, I gave a presentation on this recently: https://projects.itemis.de/html/web-presentations/kbi/2015/2015_ese_statechart_origami/#/ | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | oh, excellent | 14:15 |
| klausbirken | this was still for (UML) modeling | 14:15 |
| klausbirken | maybe we should rename the section to "Modeling" anyway, not everything is UML | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | good point | 14:15 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken: is that link only a title page? that's all i can see | 14:16 |
| klausbirken | use space or cursor-right to proceed | 14:16 |
| klausbirken | the second slide has a rather larger picture, might take time to load | 14:16 |
| paulsherwood | amazing... it was just that i wasn't hitting any key that drives the change :) | 14:17 |
| paulsherwood | ok... | 14:17 |
| klausbirken | good :-) | 14:17 |
| paulsherwood | - Debug and Analysis - | 14:17 |
| paulsherwood | i have an outstanding action here, maybe toscalix can help? | 14:18 |
| toscalix | hummm.... | 14:18 |
| toscalix | :-) | 14:18 |
| toscalix | shoot | 14:18 |
| paulsherwood | i was supposed to write to the list. actually i'll do it. i have a cople of weeks vacation, i can catch up on my actions then :) | 14:19 |
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| paulsherwood | we need input/suggestions on what debug and analysis features/tools people care about... | 14:19 |
| paulsherwood | with the possible objective of getting (some of) them inclujded in the GDP | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | (and/or AGL) | 14:20 |
| toscalix | I can ask | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | i'll write it up, then maybe you can help progress the outpur | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | output | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | ? | 14:20 |
| toscalix | yo mean https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/TOOL-12 | 14:20 |
| toscalix | paulsherwood: I will | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | yup | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | tvm | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | ok unless there are further comments on this i'll move on again? | 14:21 |
| toscalix | I will keep track of the answers in that ticket | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | tvm | 14:21 |
| paulsherwood | - Automated Testing - | 14:21 |
| toscalix | I have a question about tests | 14:22 |
| paulsherwood | please go ahead | 14:22 |
| toscalix | Since baseline has moved from 7 -> 8 -> 9 and soon to 10 | 14:22 |
| toscalix | are there regression tests we can try to use in GDP? | 14:23 |
| paulsherwood | no, afaik there are no tests at all :/ | 14:23 |
| toscalix | ok | 14:24 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: a key problem with this is that most folks agree having tests is useful, but no-one seems to have time to create them | 14:25 |
| paulsherwood | and there are many frameworks... so bevause it's not obvious which place to work, what tools to use etc, the indecision prevents prgoress imo | 14:25 |
| toscalix | from the time costs perspective, creating tests in an environment like genivi will propagate the time saving thorughout the members | 14:26 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: does the GDP team have any bandwidthn to actually create some tests? | 14:26 |
| toscalix | we will start with acceptance tests | 14:26 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: in theory yes. in practice i can cite some examples where tests increase time, rather than reducing it | 14:26 |
| paulsherwood | but i won't bore you with that here :) | 14:27 |
| toscalix | then deployments tests...but no testes related with the features | 14:27 |
| toscalix | devs should do that, in my opinion | 14:27 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: can we ensure that tests are provided as code/scripts for computers, rather than readme/instructions for humans? | 14:28 |
| toscalix | paulsherwood: I get you point.....tests are code. If you do them right....they do good | 14:28 |
| toscalix | paulsherwood: that is my plan.... code | 14:28 |
| paulsherwood | yup. if you do them wrong, or do the wrong tests... they are just more code to maintain :) | 14:29 |
| paulsherwood | any other points on automated testing? | 14:29 |
| toscalix | _o_ | 14:29 |
| klausbirken | not from here | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | ok thanks | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | finally AOB | 14:30 |
| * paulsherwood notes this is the last tools team meeting of 2015 | 14:30 | |
| toscalix | I am waiting for a jira project and confluence space for gdp | 14:31 |
| paulsherwood | and that from 2016 we expect to move the meeting to wednesday mornings, following on from the BIT call | 14:31 |
| toscalix | request: https://at.projects.genivi.org/jira/browse/OSSINFR-10 | 14:31 |
| paulsherwood | toscalix: erk. so GDP wiki is still at wiki.projects.genivi.org? | 14:31 |
| toscalix | yes, and it will be for some time | 14:32 |
| toscalix | the migration is planned | 14:32 |
| toscalix | we will only start with confluence with content that is not related with what is already in mediawiki, so we do not interfere with the migration | 14:32 |
| toscalix | basically the gdp report | 14:33 |
| toscalix | and the CI/CD topic | 14:33 |
| * paulsherwood remains astonished that migrating to confluence is such a pain | 14:33 | |
| paulsherwood | anyway... | 14:33 |
| paulsherwood | any other aob? | 14:34 |
| klausbirken | no… | 14:34 |
| toscalix | _o_ | 14:34 |
| paulsherwood | ok short meeting, less folks :) | 14:35 |
| paulsherwood | i wish you all a fabulous xmas and new year, then! | 14:35 |
| klausbirken | merry xmas! | 14:35 |
| klausbirken | cu in 2016 | 14:35 |
| toscalix | have a good time, bye | 14:35 |
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Ends == | 14:37 |
| paulsherwood | Thanks, folks! | 14:37 |
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| CTtpollard | Does anyone happen to know where the keyboard layout is defined in the yocto GDP? | 16:06 |
| fredcadete | in the xkb config? | 16:08 |
| fredcadete | gimme a sec | 16:08 |
| CTtpollard | one would think so | 16:09 |
| fredcadete | apparently not, it's in weston.ini | 16:11 |
| CTtpollard | gah I knew I had seen it before! thanks fredcadete | 16:13 |
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| CTtpollard | makes sense it's not in xkb as well | 16:16 |
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