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| jjardon | Hi, what is the license of definitions? | 11:32 |
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| paulsherwood | that's a great question. historically there hasn't been one | 11:33 |
| paulsherwood | i would propose CC0/public domain, myself | 11:33 |
| paulsherwood | and given there has never been any historic claim on this, it seems to me to be the safest/simplest approach to take now | 11:34 |
| paulsherwood | it would seem a little unfair to attempt to retrofit something restrictive | 11:35 |
| SotK | +1 | 11:35 |
| ssam2 | I agree in principle (don't know the details of CC0) | 11:36 |
| paulsherwood | https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ | 11:36 |
| jjardon | Id prefer https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ | 11:37 |
| jmacs | Attributed to who, though? | 11:38 |
| ironfoot_ | I wonder if re-using instructions from LFS (MIT) affects this decision | 11:39 |
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| jjardon | lets use MIT then? | 11:40 |
| * paulsherwood wonders how much was actually copied from LFS, and how much was inferred/originated based on reading LFS | 11:41 | |
| benbrown_ | most of the scripts (including configure/write extensions) are Codethink copyrighted GPLv2 | 11:41 |
| paulsherwood | benbrown_: good point | 11:41 |
| paulsherwood | jjardon: in any case i suggest we should email the list on this | 11:43 |
| paulsherwood | my recommendation is just to leave the scripts as is, and assert CC0 on anytthing that doesn't have a header | 11:43 |
| paulsherwood | particularly since most of it has been run through various automated conversions over the years, as well as the many manual tweaks which were done without asserting any licence | 11:44 |
| ironfoot | yah, we did all the work :) | 11:46 |
| ironfoot | we eventually looked at LFS, for some things in build essentials | 11:46 |
| jjardon | paulsherwood: I think CC-BY-4.0 or MIT (even its not software) are better options | 11:47 |
| paulsherwood | why? | 11:48 |
| jjardon | and seems LFS and yocto are MIT, so maybe MIT is better | 11:48 |
| paulsherwood | i repeat, why do you think it's better? | 11:50 |
| rjek | MIT is "do what you like, don't blame me" | 11:52 |
| ironfoot | looks very permissive, yes | 11:52 |
| rjek | public domain, CC0 is "do what you like" | 11:52 |
| * rjek is very fond of MIT for things like this | 11:53 | |
| jmacs | Well, not quite, MIT requires that you keep the copyright message, so it requires attribution | 11:53 |
| paulsherwood | my point is, we have not asserted MIT before... and this work started in 2011 | 11:55 |
| paulsherwood | so the de-facto position up to now, for any adopter has been public domain imo. not a lawyer etc. | 11:56 |
| jjardon | I do not want to waive my copyright. And not license == proprietary (all rights reserved) so your argument is not actually true | 11:57 |
| rjek | The default position of copyright is no rights | 11:58 |
| rjek | Absolutely not Public Domain for this, if you want that CC0 | 11:59 |
| paulsherwood | jjardon: ah, ok | 12:00 |
| paulsherwood | i accept i'm in error. | 12:00 |
| paulsherwood | what do folks think *is* the de-facto interpretation/position, given no assertions in the repos? | 12:01 |
| rjek | paulsherwood: Who has contributed to definitions who was not working on behalf of Codethink at the time? | 12:03 |
| rjek | To do this right, you need to ask them all in order to relicence | 12:03 |
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| jjardon | I think "CC BY 4.0" as seems MIT is more focused on software? | 12:46 |
| paulsherwood | rjek: http://paste.baserock.org/agozadanag - the usual suspects :) | 12:51 |
| paulsherwood | `git log --pretty='format:%ae' |grep -v codethink | sort | uniq` | 12:51 |
| ironfoot | that me@example.com was me | 12:53 |
| paulsherwood | :) | 12:53 |
| paulsherwood | ironfoot: let's start with you, then... would you be ok with any/all of CC0, CC-BY-4.0, MIT | 12:54 |
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| paulsherwood | ssam2: i'm guessing you are the afuera person? | 12:55 |
| ironfoot | that email should have been a @codethink.co.uk one, so you dont need to ask | 12:55 |
| paulsherwood | i'm still interested, if you have a preference | 12:55 |
| ironfoot | I think I'm ok with any of the ones suggested | 12:56 |
| ssam2 | paulsherwood, that's me yeah | 13:00 |
| ssam2 | if I had to choose, I guess MIT to match linux-from-scratch. | 13:01 |
| ssam2 | definitions seems like software to me | 13:01 |
| SotK | adam@sotk.co.uk is fine with any of the suggested options | 13:02 |
| paulsherwood | ssam2: it wouldn't match LFS, unless we assign copyright to Gerard iiuc | 13:04 |
| paulsherwood | but maybe i'm overthinking this :) | 13:04 |
| paulsherwood | SotK: thanks! | 13:04 |
| ironfoot | "Computer instructions may be extracted from the book under the MIT License." | 13:08 |
| ironfoot | oh, "assign copyright" | 13:08 |
| ironfoot | meh, licenses !1 | 13:09 |
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| paulsherwood | ripsum has confirmed elsewhere that he is ok with any of the re-license options | 13:22 |
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