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| jjardon | paulsherwood: are you ok to move ybd to gitlab so we can add some automatic CI to it? | 15:03 |
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| rjek | What stops that on GitLab? | 15:04 |
| rjek | Err, GitHub | 15:04 |
| jjardon | rjek: I know is possible and know how to do it in gitlab but I do not know in github | 15:10 |
| rjek | Travis or Magnum CI I suspect | 15:10 |
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| paulsherwood | jjardon: if you mean upstream of ybd, yes i would be ok to do it, but i think we'd need to fix the tar problem first? | 15:18 |
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| jjardon | paulsherwood: even with the tar problem , I think it would be better than the current situation (no systems being builded before commit stuff in ybd) | 15:20 |
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| paulsherwood | jjardon: that's not quite the current situation. before tagging a release, i normally rebuild all of ci.morph | 15:21 |
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| jjardon | paulsherwood: I know, but you know some people use ybd master as well :) | 15:22 |
| paulsherwood | and the recommended way to use ybd is still to take last tag. i could switch to doing all commits in devel, and promote to master on release, i suppose | 15:22 |
| paulsherwood | jjardon: ack. but would those people prefer to have to wait an arbitrary number of hours until a commit lands? | 15:23 |
| rjek | Perhaps a smaller test that tests ybd more and gcc less? | 15:24 |
| rjek | Bonus points for coverage analysis | 15:24 |
| jjardon | paulsherwood: you will cover a lot of use cases simply building the minimal system | 15:24 |
| * paulsherwood thinks coverage analysis is overrated | 15:25 | |
| rjek | I find it lets you identify parts of your code that are untested, even after building huge systems | 15:27 |
| rjek | This lets you either test the code, or decide it can be safely removed | 15:27 |
| leeming | "recommended way to use ybd is still to take last tag." - It is? I've always used master too :D | 15:34 |
| locallycompact | As a frequent requester of changes I like to stay on the development line | 15:36 |
| paulsherwood | leeming: yes, that's what the getting started has in the readme | 15:38 |
| paulsherwood | currently the upstream process does not guarantee that master will always work. we could fix that easily, but the resulting friction may or may not be worth it | 15:39 |
| rjek | You can always have simple ci tests ("does it run at all?") for master commits, and full-fat built-the-world on tag | 15:40 |
| rjek | There's plenty of stuff I imagine that could be tested in minutes rather than hours | 15:40 |
| paulsherwood | rjek: that's what we already have | 15:40 |
| paulsherwood | there was a change which slipped through, however, because of a bug/disconnect in the simple ci tests | 15:41 |
| persia | While I'm usually a big proponent of BDD and only having tests for functional requirements, I'm suddenly curious if there exists good trace tooling to determine what codepaths are exercised by a given functional test. | 16:01 |
| persia | It might be interesting to identify codepaths that are not taken, and have high-level functional tests that do cause various sorts of errors (to ensure the errors are correctly detected/reported, etc.) | 16:01 |
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| gunnarx | The yocto community sucks, so I came here. Now what? :) | 16:10 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: wtf? :) | 16:11 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: why are you really here? :-) | 16:11 |
| gunnarx | kidding, mostly | 16:11 |
| paulsherwood | fine, we can help with that :) | 16:12 |
| gunnarx | :) | 16:13 |
| gunnarx | it's all in the logs - one of the anointed in #yocto felt he had a reason to be a condescending prick so I left, that's all. | 16:14 |
| gunnarx | it's IRC though, so I'm over it | 16:15 |
| rjek | Oh, if you want condescending pricks, you want #debian | 16:15 |
| paulsherwood | ROFL | 16:15 |
| rjek | They have an astonishing supply | 16:15 |
| gunnarx | thanks rjek, I should try it | 16:15 |
| gunnarx | wonderful | 16:16 |
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| * paulsherwood notes that sometimes #baserock is not the friendliest place, either | 16:16 | |
| gunnarx | but surely all for a good reason, right paulsherwood | 16:17 |
| gunnarx | you gotta weed out the noobs and the unworthy | 16:17 |
| persia | The usual argument is "social cohesiveness", although some folk do try to focus on collaborating with the other (unnamed) communities. | 16:17 |
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| gunnarx | Did any of you see the wall of flame offered up by this year's GUADEC audience when an automotive company had the gall to present their mostly free software project? | 16:18 |
| gunnarx | (slight exaggeration on my part :-) | 16:19 |
| leeming | rjek, isn't someone we know one of them debian people? | 16:19 |
| gunnarx | you'd think they would welcome it... | 16:19 |
| gunnarx | or maybe you wouldn't think that, come to think of it. | 16:19 |
| rjek | leeming: sssh | 16:20 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx: which company, which project? | 16:20 |
| gunnarx | I've been to the last guadecs but not this year - so I don't know who was debating | 16:20 |
| jjardon | collabora/ apertis | 16:20 |
| jjardon | I was there | 16:20 |
| paulsherwood | was there a 'wall of flame'? | 16:21 |
| leeming | I like the idea of a wall of flame | 16:21 |
| * paulsherwood thinks collabora is a FOSS company, not specifically an automotive company though | 16:21 | |
| gunnarx | Yep, a software engineer from Bosch stood trial for the entire 70 GigaEuro company's past transgressions | 16:24 |
| gunnarx | just kidding | 16:24 |
| gunnarx | I mean if you go to talk somewhere, you're automatically the CEO right? | 16:25 |
| jjardon | gunnarx: AFAIK it was very welcomed; why you do think it was not? | 16:28 |
| gunnarx | OK good | 16:29 |
| gunnarx | sorry guys, my sarcasm isn't carrying over | 16:29 |
| gunnarx | although some of the questions felt quite irrelevant, I'm really just making a joke about. But all jokes have some truth... | 16:29 |
| paulsherwood | questions about apertis? is this on video somewhere? | 16:30 |
| gunnarx | yt | 16:30 |
| paulsherwood | aha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV8kMZ647MA | 16:31 |
| gunnarx | there were questions about why Bosch was not releasing diagnostic codes for stuff like engine management, a totally unrelated field. Obviously this guy could not answer to that. | 16:31 |
| gunnarx | that's all | 16:31 |
| paulsherwood | oh, ok. well, at least he got questions. i usually get 'shut up, you don't know what you're talking about' or silence :) | 16:32 |
| gunnarx | I actually haven't seen the whole thing yet - I skipped forward when a colleague told me he was "digging his own grave at <mm:ss>", | 16:34 |
| gunnarx | which was also that a slight exaggeration. :) But you'd better be prepared for the expected questions at a FOSS event :) | 16:34 |
| jjardon | gunnarx: oh sorry; I woke up earlier than normal today and probably some of my sensors are a bit rusty already :) | 16:34 |
| gunnarx | I did too, come to think of it. | 16:34 |
| jjardon | paulsherwood: actually all the talks were available in stream and then the same day to watch; the a/v guys did a very good job this time | 16:35 |
| paulsherwood | jjardon: ack | 16:37 |
| gunnarx | cheers to a/v guys. I have a lot of catching up to do... | 16:37 |
| gunnarx | no, now I really have to reconsider my parking and head homewards. it was fun to offload some stuff here - take care everyone | 16:46 |
| radiofree | ta ta | 16:46 |
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