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| paulsherwood | richard_maw: radiofree has re-tested his jetson update things, confirms working with latest master. you had given it +2 - would you be ok to merge it, please? | 11:33 |
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| paulsherwood | (he's unavailable to do it himself) | 11:33 |
| paulsherwood | http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/baserock/baserock/morph.git/log/?h=baserock/james/writeexts_support_jetson | 11:33 |
| paulsherwood | http://git.baserock.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/baserock/baserock/tbdiff.git/log/?h=baserock/james/jetson_update | 11:34 |
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| richard_maw | paulsherwood: I'll make a note to do that after my current task | 12:34 |
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| paulsherwood | richard_maw: great tvm | 12:35 |
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| persia | Looking at http://wiki.baserock.org/quick-start/, I notice the claim "Putting ssh keys into the VM is not a good idea". Does anyone know the thinking behind that remark? | 14:37 |
| paulsherwood | you shouldn't leave your keys in too many places? | 14:38 |
| Kinnison | My keys are kept in a set of shares distributed among physical devices and only brought together when I need private material for active use | 14:39 |
| paulsherwood | i may be the person who wrote that, but i believe i was counselled into this reasoning by other wiser folk | 14:39 |
| persia | I suppose, but why not create new keys for the VM? | 14:39 |
| Kinnison | persia: I imagine, when we wrote that, we treated VMs as throwaway items and therefore wasteful to maintain new keypairs for each | 14:39 |
| paulsherwood | because then you'd have to add the new keys to (eg) trove and things | 14:39 |
| * persia agrees very strongly with the idea that keys should be client-specific, so that when a client is lost/stolen/compromised, only that key needs be revoked | 14:39 | |
| persia | Kinnison: Ah, that makes sense. | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | what's wrong with the suggested approach, though - no keys on the guest | 14:40 |
| persia | paulsherwood: Heh. Another reason for me to dislike troves :) | 14:40 |
| Kinnison | s/trove/any-system-authenticated-by-ssh/ | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | i have a love-hate relationship with troves | 14:40 |
| Kinnison | Troves are the troubled middle-child, we had an awful child first (using other people's git repos) which resulted in terrible things and left home in a huff. | 14:41 |
| Kinnison | I just don't know what the perfect youngest child will be like | 14:41 |
| paulsherwood | Kinnison: while you're here - would it be trivial to fix so that http://g.b.o/foo resolved to the foo repo page? | 14:41 |
| Kinnison | No | 14:41 |
| Kinnison | It would not | 14:41 |
| paulsherwood | oh well | 14:41 |
| persia | The suggested approach is unsafe if the VM isn't hosted on a secured client: anyone with control of the VM host could use the key. | 14:41 |
| Kinnison | paulsherwood: If I understood lighttpd configuration my answer might be different | 14:41 |
| paulsherwood | Kinnison: nod | 14:41 |
| persia | The suggested approach works great if the VM happens to be on the users's secured laptop. | 14:42 |
| paulsherwood | i think that's how we're working by default - but some folks' laptops may be more secured than others' | 14:42 |
| * petefoth is working in the context of VMs runing in VirtualBox on my laptop. Maybe I should add a caveate on tha w.b.opage about this not being a sensible approacj if you dont have control of the VM host | 14:43 | |
| persia | That's the general issue with cryptography: you have to decide how much you trust people to have secured their keys. | 14:43 |
| persia | petefoth: I don't think that belongs in quick-start, unless it gets an overhaul in lots of other ways. | 14:44 |
| persia | I find it personally interesting, because my laptop rarely has sufficiently clean networking to g.b.o to be useful as a VM host for a baserock devel system, so I use remote VMs, but not everyone has this issu.e | 14:45 |
| petefoth | OK I'll leave it for now. Putting w.b.o completely to rights is clearly a job for another day. I will restrict myself to things that I find which are wrong or where a small change or addition might stop people from wasting time | 14:45 |
| tlsa | how do I set an IP address for a system at deploy time? | 14:46 |
| tlsa | to give the system a static ip addr | 14:46 |
| straycat | you use install-files to install an appropriate interfaces file | 14:47 |
| straycat | sorry, i meant to say "could use" | 14:47 |
| petefoth | persia: I'm working within the DCodethink netwrok and with ct-mcr-1 as my upstream Trove, so networking delays are usually not a problem | 14:47 |
| richard_maw | tlsa: simple-network.configure is the preferred option I think | 14:47 |
| tlsa | ok | 14:47 |
| persia | petefoth: Yes, if your organisation hosts a local trove, and you work in your organisation's facilities, these problems are not so obvious :) | 14:48 |
| richard_maw | since the write extensions can use the config you put in | 14:48 |
| persia | Is there any documentation on the set of configure extensions? I seem to have some in definitions.git, but not simple-network.configure, for example. | 14:49 |
| richard_maw | tlsa: you set NETWORK_CONFIG=interface1:option1,option2...;interface2:option1,option2... | 14:49 |
| Kinnison | if you look at simple-network.configure you can see the default NETWORK_CONFIG | 14:49 |
| Kinnison | which is something like lo:loopback;eth0:dhcp | 14:49 |
| tlsa | I can't find it in defintions | 14:49 |
| richard_maw | it's in morphlib | 14:49 |
| tlsa | ok | 14:50 |
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| paulsherwood | richard_maw: sorry i've not been following your code changes in detail... | 17:23 |
| paulsherwood | have your changes made it so that some of the use-cases i mentioned the other day are now working? | 17:24 |
| paulsherwood | eg git bisect? | 17:24 |
| Kinnison | I'm afraid Richard just left, he might be around on IRC later | 17:24 |
| paulsherwood | ok no problem, no rush | 17:25 |
| * paulsherwood will try things out if he has a moment | 17:25 | |
| richard_maw | paulsherwood: edit after checkout should now work, as should your issue with uncommitted chunk morphs | 18:17 |
| paulsherwood | cool :) | 19:15 |
| paulsherwood | edit after checkout works nicely afaict | 19:40 |
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